Kirk Cameron and annihilationism

[civic]

Perhaps not directly, but in being so wrong about the end times, it is not very likely to be correct about what follows.

I’m not wrong about the end times Jesus will return physically at His 2nd Coming.

 

[Jim]

Then there would be no free will choice to love God, that’s why.

Are you suggesting that once we enter that new heaven and new earth we will lose our free will choice to love God?

 

[Jim]

I’m not wrong about the end times Jesus will return physically at His 2nd Coming.

I certainly believe that Jesus will return, though it never says He will do so physically. It says that we shall Him when He returns. That is, in clouds. You continue to think that He is still a human being.

 

[Jim]

Are you suggesting that once we enter that new heaven and new earth we will lose our free will choice to love God? What is love if it is not a choice?

 

[civic]

Are you suggesting that once we enter that new heaven and new earth we will lose our free will choice to love God?

There will not be any chance to ever sin against God. We will be eternally perfect incapable of sinning. It’s why scripture states the corruptible becomes incorruptible in the resurrection, mortal becomes immortal , no more death , sin, sorrow , pain. Those things have passed away forever.

Can Jesus sin now in heaven ?

Neither will we since John says we will be just like Him when we are face to face

 

[praise_yeshua]

Is your spirit material, tangible just like the wind?

Let me tell you what Jesus said about it....

Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Jesus even called such "earthly things".

Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Why certainly. My spirit is tangible. Does your spirit move?

 

[praise_yeshua]

There will not be any chance to ever sin against God. We will be eternally perfect incapable of sinning. It’s why scripture states the corruptible becomes incorruptible in the resurrection, mortal becomes immortal , no more death , sin, sorrow , pain. Those things have passed away forever.

Can Jesus sin now in heaven ?

Neither will we since John says we will be just like Him when we are face to face

It is one of the issues within Unitarian thought. They most all deny the Impeccability of Jesus Christ. They must. Their theology demands it.

 

[Jim]

There will not be any chance to ever sin against God. We will be eternally perfect incapable of sinning. It’s why scripture states the corruptible becomes incorruptible in the resurrection, mortal becomes immortal , no more death , sin, sorrow , pain. Those things have passed away forever.

Why did those things ever exist? If God can end them, why did He even let them start?

Can Jesus sin now in heaven ?

That is an age-old question. Could Jesus ever have sinned?

Neither will we since John says we will be just like Him when we are face to face

Again, if that is what we will be, why were we always like that? I would seem to me that you really have no idea of why God even created this physical universe.

 

[Jim]

Why certainly. My spirit is tangible. Does your spirit move?

I have never read anywhere that anyone's spirit was tangibly observed. I guess yours must be unique.

 

[civic]

Why did those things ever exist? If God can end them, why did He even let them start?

That is an age-old question. Could Jesus ever have sinned?

Again, if that is what we will be, why were we always like that? I would seem to me that you really have no idea of why God even created this physical universe.

Because God is love demands free will , the ability to choose to love in return. Love is a two way street, not a one way street.

 

[civic]

Why did those things ever exist? If God can end them, why did He even let them start?

That is an age-old question. Could Jesus ever have sinned?

Again, if that is what we will be, why were we always like that? I would seem to me that you really have no idea of why God even created this physical universe.

Nice dodge. Can Jesus sin now in heaven ?

Answer that question

 

[praise_yeshua]

Why did those things ever exist? If God can end them, why did He even let them start?

The challenge of an independent mind. You have one. I have one. The necessity of relationships require independence. No one can be said to be "truly like God" in any sense of an image and not have an "independent mind".

It is a fools errand to try to convince anyone of anything without the sincerity of will to embrace such themselves.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I have never read anywhere that anyone's spirit was tangibly observed. I guess yours must be unique.

Don't speak for me. I didn't say anything about observed. Quote me.

You can't see it. Doesn't mean it isn't tangibly there.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I have never read anywhere that anyone's spirit was tangibly observed. I guess yours must be unique.

BTW, You didn't answer me. Does your spirit move?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Because God is love demands free will , the ability to choose to love in return. Love is a two way street, not a one way street.

To "win the heart" of another.

Why would God want anything that doesn't want to be there with Him themselves.

 

[civic]

To "win the heart" of another.

Why would God want anything that doesn't want to be there with Him themselves.

Exactly some “ love “ to blame God for their freedom to sin or obey Him. As if it’s His fault He gave man the freedom to love Him or hate Him.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Exactly some “ love “ to blame God for their freedom to sin or obey Him. As if it’s His fault He gave man the freedom to love Him or hate Him.

It could never be anything less. It is a necessity of love.....to love beyond ourselves. Same is true of even God.

 

[Jim]

Nice dodge. Can Jesus sin now in heaven ?

Answer that question

Why?

 

[Jim]

BTW, You didn't answer me. Does your spirit move?

Moving is a physical event of a physical thing. Is your spirit a physical thing?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Why?

It will reveal what you really think about Jesus. Character is about capacity. The capacity to sin indicates a lack of completeness.