Kirk Cameron and annihilationism

[FreeInChrist]

I could agree on a lot of that. One of the things I do not agree with is the statement, "But it was becoming increasingly apparent to God that mankind was not who God thought he had made...." I think this creation is precisely what God thought it would be. He is and was always Omniscient. There is not anything that is not what God thought it would be.

But now we are into something else where foreknowledge is at play.

I think that there are things that God expected to come about differently, such as Adam and Eve. He gave them perfection in everything and enter the evil one and they turned. I do not think God expected that.
Could be wrong but ???

 

[Jim]

quiet, gentle promptings and feelings in your heart, as He often communicates through a sense of peace, conviction, or guidance.... Or a feeling of intense alert then you will know that you have been warned.

I do agree that one can sense the Spirit, i.e., the Holy Spirit. And I think it is our own spirit that senses the Spirit. But I do not think that one can sense either his own spirit or anyone else's spirit. And against all that is being discussed here, not of that sensing is a physical sensing.

 

[praise_yeshua]

That has nothing whatsoever to do with this topic or the immediate discussion. And you are missing the whole point of either.

Not at all. You have showed a lack of love for your flesh. You have NO life without your flesh. We call this "death".

 

[praise_yeshua]

I do agree that one can sense the Spirit, i.e., the Holy Spirit. And I think it is our own spirit that senses the Spirit. But I do not think that one can sense either his own spirit or anyone else's spirit. And against all that is being discussed here, not of that sensing is a physical sensing.

You have no voice whatsoever without your own spirit. Your very thoughts themselves necessitate a spirit.

 

[Jim]

But now we are into something else where foreknowledge is at play.

I think that there are things that God expected to come about differently, such as Adam and Eve. He gave them perfection in everything and enter the evil one and they turned. I do not think God expected that.
Could be wrong but ???

I think God anticipated all of it. And it is all working out precisely according to the plan He laid out. I certainly am not privy to most of the details of that plan, but apparently it was not a plan that could be carried out in the realm of the heavenly, in the realm of the angels. It is a plan that apparently can be carried out in this realm of the physical.

 

[FreeInChrist]

I do agree that one can sense the Spirit, i.e., the Holy Spirit. And I think it is our own spirit that senses the Spirit. But I do not think that one can sense either his own spirit or anyone else's spirit. And against all that is being discussed here, not of that sensing is a physical sensing.

Holy Spirit most certainly is because a number of years back I felt something shake my very core in alarm and I new I was needing to turn my ways again for if I didnt I would be irrevocably lost. And I felt it. An experience I never want again. As if something shot through me but stopped in my middle.

 

[Jim]

You have no voice whatsoever without your own spirit. Your very thoughts themselves necessitate a spirit.

I have never said otherwise.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I think God anticipated all of it. And it is all working out precisely according to the plan He laid out. I certainly am not privy to most of the details of that plan, but apparently it was not a plan that could be carried out in the realm of the heavenly, in the realm of the angels. It is a plan that apparently can be carried out in this realm of the physical.

Heavenly is physical. It just isn't earthly. These distinctions you're making are rather odd when it comes to comparing them against the revelation of the Scriptures.

 

[civic]

I think God anticipated all of it. And it is all working out precisely according to the plan He laid out. I certainly am not privy to most of the details of that plan, but apparently it was not a plan that could be carried out in the realm of the heavenly, in the realm of the angels. It is a plan that apparently can be carried out in this realm of the physical.

well the original rebellion/sin occurred in heaven where God dwells.

 

[Jim]

Not at all. You have showed a lack of love for your flesh. You have NO life without your flesh. We call this "death".

You are just babbling now.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I have never said otherwise.

Then you can physically discern your own voice and the voice of others.

 

[Jim]

Heavenly is physical. It just isn't earthly. These distinctions you're making are rather odd when it comes to comparing them against the revelation of the Scriptures.

More babbling.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You are just babbling now.

No. It is relative. You don't see it but it is. I can say you're babbling but we are having a productive conversation at the moment. I'm being nice for a change

 

[Jim]

Then you can physically discern your own voice and the voice of others.

More babbling.

 

[Jim]

Then you can physically discern your own voice and the voice of others.

And my dog can physically discern my voice and the voice of others, but he doesn't have a spirit.

 

[praise_yeshua]

More babbling.

I'm fine with you saying this. I know I lose people in such conversations. It doesn't mean I'm wrong. Maybe we will find a place to connect on something if we continue.

Much of what we're discussing falls with the concepts of the theological distinctions of trichotomy and dichotomy.

I've discussed them for years. I'll listen to what you have to say. All I ask is you do the same.

 

[praise_yeshua]

And my dog can physically discern my voice and the voice of others, but he doesn't have a spirit.

Not true. You said this early and I ignored to some degree. I tried to get you to focus upon something that mattered. I realize you think this is true but it isn't true at all.

You're misunderstanding/interpreting one single verse from Ecclesiastes. It is common. Happens all the time.

 

[Jim]

Not true. You said this early and I ignored to some degree. I tried to get you to focus upon something that mattered. I realize you think this is true but it isn't true at all.

What? You think my dog has a spirit? You think he is a spiritual being?

 

[FreeInChrist]

And my dog can physically discern my voice and the voice of others, but he doesn't have a spirit.

And he CAN discern other things you cannot.... and maybe your dog does have a spirit.

 

[Jim]

And he CAN discern other things you cannot.... and maybe your dog does have a spirit.

A spirit is the defining difference between the human and all the rest of the animal kingdom.