Kirk Cameron and annihilationism

[praise_yeshua]

This is a good read take a look .

Raised a Spiritual Body (Gnosticism & Evangelicalism 3) - Robin Mark Phillips

This article was originally published in my column at the Colson Center. It is republished here with permission. For a complete directory of all my Colson Center articles, click here. “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual...

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here is a summary

The early church, which spoke Greek as its native tongue, understood these distinctions. In fact, the distinction between physical resurrection and a purely ‘spiritual’ nonphysical resurrection was absolutely central in dividing the true Christians from heretics like the ancient Gnostics. It was the early Christian’s understanding of physical resurrection which, perhaps more than any other doctrine, served to polarize the church of the canonical tradition from the anti-creational orientation of the Gnostics.

Not only Irenaeus, but Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp, the writers of the Didache, Justin Martyr, Tertullian and many other early Christian writers went to great lengths to make clear that the bodies of departed Christians will be raised in a way comparative to the resurrection of our Blessed Lord. This doctrine found expression in the Nicene Creed and was reaffirmed in frequent Christian polemics against the Gnostics.

Far from matter and spirit being in competition with one another, the Christian doctrine of resurrection points towards the grand consecration of creation. It points to a time when our physical bodies will be taken up and transformed by God’s spirit to be everything they were meant to be (and more) before sin entered the picture. While the resurrection body will be many things that we cannot even now imagine (1 Cor. 2:9), we can be sure of this: it will be physical.

I'll go a little further. As I've mentioned before. The intent of God in creating man is the "new man" created in Christ Jesus.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

 

[praise_yeshua]

Denying a bodily Resurrection of Jesus is Gnosticism
Denying heaven/ hell are real places is Gnosticism
Denying Jesus came in the flesh and remains in the flesh is Gnosticism- John says Gnosticism teaching comes from the very spirit of antichrist in 1John 4:2-3, 2 John 1:7

Which is why I referenced it as "blaspheme".

It can be forgiven but it is a real problem claiming a relationship to Jesus Christ while deny the essential aspects of WHO Jesus Christ is.

I know we understand this as Trinitarians and know the necessity of such teachings. Maybe it would be easier to talk about the "human soul/spirit" that Christ gained in the Incarnation.

Would they possibly deny such is still applicable to Person of Jesus Christ even NOW in heaven?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I do not believe in a glorified physical body.

Transfiguration?

What the disciples experienced is beyond understanding but there is not a doubt it is a physical body.

Which is why I say that the Jesus was already glorious in the flesh before His death.

I have much to say about this but I'll wait for you to deny this while telling me it is impossible to believe.

 

[Wick Stick]

He is saying that a physical body cannot be in heaven.

Neil Armstrong disagrees.

 

[Jim]

Neil Armstrong disagrees.

Well then, who else to consider?

 

[civic]

Well then, who else to consider?

Jesus and Paul

 

[Jim]

Transfiguration?

What the disciples experienced is beyond understanding but there is not a doubt it is a physical body.

Which is why I say that the Jesus was already glorious in the flesh before His death.

I have much to say about this but I'll wait for you to deny this while telling me it is impossible to believe.

I think the best explanation of that was it was the Spirit of the Son of God which was showing through the physical human nature and being presented to Peter, James and John. I do not believe that there was any change in his physical body. It may well be explained as the shekinah glory, the glory of God, showing through to the disciples.

 

[Jim]

Jesus and Paul

We have done that any they don't agree with you.

 

[civic]

We have done that any they don't agree with you.

You have done no such thing since they both taught exactly what I teach regarding the resurrection

 

[Jim]

You have done no such thing since they both taught exactly what I teach regarding the resurrection

No, they do not.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I think the best explanation of that was it was the Spirit of the Son of God which was showing through the physical human nature and being presented to Peter, James and John. I do not believe that there was any change in his physical body. It may well be explained as the shekinah glory, the glory of God, showing through to the disciples.

I never said it was a change of the physical body.

At least admit this. At best, you're still describing a scenario wherein the flesh was a "lens" for such. This doesn't fit you "issue" with flesh at all.

Consider this.....Did the face of Moses SHINE?

There is weakness to our flesh but there is great potential. Things we do not understand fully. We are wonderful made. One of the most humbling events in our lives is to experience the disposition of death to begin to take hold of our bodies.

It is a catastrophic and extremely emotional experience for our flesh to be ripped from us in death. If means more to you than you think.

 

[Jim]

It is a catastrophic and extremely emotional experience for our flesh to be ripped from us in death. If means more to you than you think.

I will be ecstatic to trade this flesh for a spot in heaven with Jesus. Although I will admit, that if having my flesh ripped from me is the cause of my death, that would be more than a little catastrophic and more than just an extremely emotional experience.