Kirk Cameron and annihilationism

[FreeInChrist]

Its biblical, literal meaning.

How can you sit on a throne as a spirit ?

Great minds... I was writing mine and posting then I saw yours.

 

[civic]

Great minds... I was writing mine and posting then I saw yours.

I cannot believe this has to be defended with "christians" and that they oppose the plain truth taught by Jesus and the Apostles.

I guess some think we will be invisible spirits living in an invisible place for eternity.

the new heavens and new earth will be invisible
the new Jerusalem will be invisible
the river of life invisible
the tree of life invisible
Jesus invisible
Throne invisible
fruit invisible
water invisible
light invisible
streets invisible
walls invisible
bodies invisible

see how ridiculous this gets.

"If the plain sense of the text makes common sense, seek no other sense, lest it become nonsense," is a principle of biblical interpretation (hermeneutics), urging readers to first understand the literal, ordinary meaning of scripture

Some make complete nonsense out of the bible.

 

[Jim]

Its biblical, literal meaning.

How can you sit on a throne as a spirit ?

Does God have a right hand? Is He sitting on a throne? If God is spirit, which direction is at His right?

@ Jim,

How do spirits sit? If Jesus is a spirit... I wonder about this... We know the Holy Spirit just lights where it will but this is confusing to me

Sitting at the right hand of God has nothing to do with actually sitting. Nor does it have anything to do with an actual thrown. Nothing outside of this physical universe is physical.

 

[Jim]

I cannot believe this has to be defended with "christians" and that they oppose the plain truth taught by Jesus and the Apostles.

And I can't believe that Christians think heaven is a physical existence of any sort.

 

[civic]

And I can't believe that Christians think heaven is a physical existence of any sort.

"If the plain sense of the text makes common sense, seek no other sense, lest it become nonsense," is a principle of biblical interpretation (hermeneutics), urging readers to first understand the literal, ordinary meaning of scripture

 

[FreeInChrist]

I cannot believe this has to be defended with "christians" and that they oppose the plain truth taught by Jesus and the Apostles.

I guess some think we will be invisible spirits living in an invisible place for eternity.

the new heavens and new earth will be invisible
the new Jerusalem will be invisible
the river of life invisible
the tree of life invisible
Jesus invisible
Throne invisible
fruit invisible
water invisible
light invisible
streets invisible
walls invisible
bodies invisible

see how ridiculous this gets.

"If the plain sense of the text makes common sense, seek no other sense, lest it become nonsense," is a principle of biblical interpretation (hermeneutics), urging readers to first understand the literal, ordinary meaning of scripture

Some make complete nonsense out of the bible.

Hmmmm.

Invisible benefit. No clothing needed.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Does God have a right hand? Is He sitting on a throne? If God is spirit, which direction is at His right?

Sitting at the right hand of God has nothing to do with actually sitting. Nor does it have anything to do with an actual thrown. Nothing outside of this physical universe is physical.

Ok... lets say you are right.

Where is it written in scripture?

 

[praise_yeshua]

You cannot separate the Resurrection from the Ascension and 2nd Coming. Its the same Jesus.

My top 10 reasons your view is unbiblical and mine is 100% biblical.

1-Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever
2- Jesus is the son of man forever
3- The Incarnation was permanent, not temporal
4- Jesus is and will always be God manifest in the flesh
5- This same Jesus whom you have seen Ascend into heaven will come back the same way- " bodily", "physical"
6- After Jesus Ascended He appeared personally to Paul-
7- For there is One Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus
8- Jesus is called the son of man in heaven
9- The son of man is who returns at His 2nd Coming
10- Jesus will be a literal King as the son of man during His Millennial Kingdom for a 1,000 years

hope this helps !!!

Yeah. They seem to think it is okay to just ignore the physical resurrection of Christ. Besides... "spiritual" isn't intangible. << sarcasm

Jesus appealed to the "new birth" as being like the wind. Wind is tangible. Wind has substance. There is no context where "wind" becomes visible without being mixed with a "solid" in the eyes of men.....

 

[praise_yeshua]

That is a condition of being human. You claim Jesus is human. Therefore, Jesus must still be a little less than the angels.

If humans are going to take upon themselves immortality, then you're not making sense at all. You acknowledge this.

We shall be known as we are already known. This life isn't disappearing for any of us is it? It will be more than just a "MEMORY".

 

[praise_yeshua]

You said Jesus was the same past, present and future.

Character. Essence. State is a different story. Jesus Christ becoming flesh didn't alter His Essence/Character.

 

[praise_yeshua]

And I can't believe that Christians think heaven is a physical existence of any sort.

There is so much here. So many fundamental issues revolving around methods and rudimentary constructs.

Just how does anyone discern without a tangible construct that progresses? Precept upon Precept.

Even thought itself has physical traits or how do they exist in an state for review?

You're smart. I'll listen if you'll creates some sense of a method or construct you're using to discern your existence. If you're just going to "make this up as you go".... then I'll leave you alone.

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Job 38:5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it?

Isa 28:13 And the word of the LORD will be to them precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little, that they may go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.