Kirk Cameron and annihilationism

[atpollard]

I'm not saying it's one way or the other, but I think it's good to defend what the scripture says, and not to stop learning.

Home boy needs to learn to get to the point.
For all the talk about “Protestantism” and “going to scripture” … I am half way through it and he has yet to actually DELIVER any scripture on the topic.

 

[Walt]

Home boy needs to learn to get to the point.
For all the talk about “Protestantism” and “going to scripture” … I am half way through it and he has yet to actually DELIVER any scripture on the topic.

Watch the whole thing let me know what you think, if you would like to. The video maybe full of baloney?

 

[civic]

Home boy needs to learn to get to the point.
For all the talk about “Protestantism” and “going to scripture” … I am half way through it and he has yet to actually DELIVER any scripture on the topic.

Ya think

 

[Walt]

Ya think

I agree with you there's definitely more than enough scriptures to support your way of thinking, but for me I like to turn over every rock and take a look and see what's there, before I decide anything. And even with all that I have been studying since 1980, I still look under rocks and see what I can learn.

 

[civic]

I agree with you there's definitely more than enough scriptures to support your way of thinking, but for me I like to turn over every rock and take a look and see what's there, before I decide anything. And even with all that I have been studying since 1980, I still look under rocks and see what I can learn.

That is a good Berean. Don't take anyones word for it compare what everyone says with scripture.

 

[atpollard]

Let’s take a close look at what is said and what is not said:

Mark 9:42-48
42 "And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. 47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48 where

"'their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.'

It SAYS the worm and fire are eternal. It is eisegesis to read that and claim it says that the damned person is alive and in eternal torment.

Matthew 8:11-13
11 "I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; 12 but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

It says there will be suffering. It does NOT say it is eternal.

Matthew 13:41-43
41 "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

It says there will be suffering. It does NOT say it is eternal.

Matthew 13:49-50
49 "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

It says there will be suffering. It does NOT say it is eternal.

Matthew 22:13-14
"Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' 14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."

It says there will be suffering. It does NOT say it is eternal.

Matthew 24:48-51
48 "But if that evil slave says in his heart, 'My master is not coming for a long time,' 49 and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, 51 and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

It says there will be suffering. It does NOT say it is eternal.
It also DOES say they “cut him in pieces” … are you prepared to embrace ECT as a dismembered body cut in pieces?

Matthew 25:29-30
29 "For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 30 "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

It says there will be suffering. It does NOT say it is eternal.

2 Peter 2:1-9
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them — bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment,while continuing their punishment.

It speaks of holding and punishing “for the day of judgement” which describes a finite period. This is exactly the opposite of ETERNAL.

Jude 4-7, 12-13
4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home — these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

12 These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm — shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted — twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

It says the fire is eternal and the darkness is eternal. It does NOT speak of an eternal torment or an eternal punishment.

Revelation 21:8
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars — their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

It says there is a fiery lake. It says DEATH, not eternal torment (which is the opposite of death).

Revelation 19:20-21
20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

It says there is a fiery lake. It says nothing about an eternal punishment or eternal suffering.

Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

It does speak of eternal torment … for the Devil, the beast and the false prophet … not for all sinners.
Beware eisegesis.

Revelation 20:12-15
12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into The lake of fireis the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

It says lake of fire and DEATH, not eternal torment or eternal punishment.

Scripture uses these terms and phrases as synonyms:

Unquenchable fire
Fiery hell
Black darkness
Outer darkness
Furnace of fire
Fire and brimstone
The smoke of their torment
The lake of fire which burns with brimstone
Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched
The eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels

All of the above carry the same meaning and consequences for the wicked.

hope this helps !!!

It does help. It reveals where human interpretation is adding meaning that the Scripture does not actually state. Who says DEATH is the same as PUNISHED? The WICKED are the same as the DEVIL? FIRE is the same as TORMENT?

What of Matthew 10:28 [NASB] "And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”?

The word is not Eternal Punish or Torment … the word is “DESTROY” the soul and body in hell.

 

[atpollard]

Just adding a pro-ECT verse to the discussion …

Matthew 25:46 [NASB] "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

 

[Walt]

Matthew 25:46
Lamsa Bible
And these shall go into everlasting torment, and the righteous into eternal life.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
46 And these will go into eternal torture, and the righteous into eternal life.”

Diaglott(i) 46 And shall go away these into a cutting-off age-lasting; the and just ones into life age-lasting.

NSB(i) 46 »These will go away into ever-burning fire (everlasting cutting off) (death) (total destruction) (doom) (punishment) (everlasting penalty), but the righteous to everlasting life.’«

KJ21
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal.”

Joseph Bryant Rotherham's Emphasized Bible" Matthew 25:46
46 And, these, shall go away, into, age–abiding, correction, but, the righteous, into, age–abiding, life.

David Bentley Hart's translation of Matthew 25:46, "And these will go to the chastening of that Age, but the just to the life of that Age,"

And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian. (CLNT)

 

[Jim]

Sure it is the 2nd Adam

He was the 2nd Adam before the crucifixion.

 

[Jim]

You do realize 1 Corininthians 15 in the Greek has no verses right ?

That its one continual thought/topic right ?

Lets see all the references to Jesus below:


1 Corinthians 15
1Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
9For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.

12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
29Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31I face death every day—yes, just as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus with no more than human hopes, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,
“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.”
33Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.” 34Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.

33 references to Jesus above in verses 1-33- See a pattern here, a focus here from Paul ? Now Paul goes onto describing the Resurrected body and the different types of FLESH

Christ is mentioned 8 times below through the end of the chapter. Its all about Him in in 1 Corinthians 15- Jesus is mentiuoned no less than 40 times in this chapter.

35But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
50I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
55“Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”
56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

What happens at the trumphet sound about in 1 Corinthians 15:52-53

Below is the parallel passage about the same event when our bodies will be changed and be just like His ( Jesus ) human body. Paul goes into more detail below about who does the calling together of the saints/gathering them with the trumpet sound. Notice Jesus is mentioned another 4 times below.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. / After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

Notice again in both passages about the same event- Paul is encouraging them.

1 Corinthians 15:35-58 corresponds with the above passage in Thessalonians.

I'm sorry you don't see its all about Jesus and His Resurrected body in 1 Corinthians 15.

I rest my case !

hope this helps !!!

@civic, your interpretation of all of this hangs on the premise that the resurrection body will be composed of some corporal or physically tangible material and that the raised body of Jesus following His death, burial and resurrection is a forerunner for the body of the resurrected dead at the end of the age. Neither of those things is true. Neither are established by scripture.

There will be no flesh in the resurrection body. The idea that there will be any physical-like material body in the resurrection is false. You can believe that if you wish, but there is no scriptural support for that belief.

The heavenly is not physically material in any sense. Jesus in His ascension abandoned all aspects of the flesh and blood that He took on in coming to earth. In the beginning He was God (John 1:1). God is Spirit (John 4:24). In Jesus' prayer in John 17 He prayed to be glorified with the glory which He had before the world was (v.5).

 

[civic]

He was the 2nd Adam before the crucifixion.

Nope he us called the 2nd Adam after the resurrection read it in the passage I quoted

 

[civic]

@civic, your interpretation of all of this hangs on the premise that the resurrection body will be composed of some corporal or physically tangible material and that the raised body of Jesus following His death, burial and resurrection is a forerunner for the body of the resurrected dead at the end of the age. Neither of those things is true. Neither are established by scripture.

There will be no flesh in the resurrection body. The idea that there will be any physical-like material body in the resurrection is false. You can believe that if you wish, but there is no scriptural support for that belief.

The heavenly is not physically material in any sense. Jesus in His ascension abandoned all aspects of the flesh and blood that He took on in coming to earth. In the beginning He was God (John 1:1). God is Spirit (John 4:24). In Jesus' prayer in John 17 He prayed to be glorified with the glory which He had before the world was (v.5).

You are denying the bodily Resurrection the very centerpiece of the gospel

 

[FreeInChrist]

@civic, your interpretation of all of this hangs on the premise that the resurrection body will be composed of some corporal or physically tangible material and that the raised body of Jesus following His death, burial and resurrection is a forerunner for the body of the resurrected dead at the end of the age. Neither of those things is true. Neither are established by scripture.

There will be no flesh in the resurrection body. The idea that there will be any physical-like material body in the resurrection is false. You can believe that if you wish, but there is no scriptural support for that belief.

The heavenly is not physically material in any sense. Jesus in His ascension abandoned all aspects of the flesh and blood that He took on in coming to earth. In the beginning He was God (John 1:1). God is Spirit (John 4:24). In Jesus' prayer in John 17 He prayed to be glorified with the glory which He had before the world was (v.5).

You have me confused.

What is the "glorified body"?

What did Jesus mean when he said "Mark 14:25 records these words: “Truly I tell you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God.” This vow appears during the Last Supper, where the disciples gathered for what is often viewed as the Passover meal .... seems like you would need some kind of something to keep it from ;leaking out?

Here are 3 Ais... the 4th wants too much money

CHAT GPT

1. They will be​

Jesus’ resurrected body is the model.


After His resurrection:

• He could be touched (Luke 24:39)
• He ate food (Luke 24:42–43)
• He still had identity and form
• Yet He could appear and disappear (John 20:19)

So glorified bodies are not ghost-like — they are real, tangible, embodied — but no longer limited by decay or weakness.

“The resurrection of the dead… it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.”
— 1 Corinthians 15:42–44

“Spiritual” here means animated by God’s Spirit, not made of spirit.

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2. They will be​

No more:

• Aging
• Disease
• Disability
• Pain
• Death

“This perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.”
— 1 Corinthians 15:53

Your glorified body will never wear out.
Never weaken.
Never die.

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3. They will be​

“It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.”
— 1 Corinthians 15:43

No fatigue.
No frailty.
No physical limitation.


Daniel says:

“The righteous will shine like the brightness of the sky.” (Dan 12:3)

Jesus said:

“The righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.” (Matt 13:43)

We will be radiant with God’s glory.

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4. They will be​

This is the clearest statement in all of Scripture:

“We know that when He appears, we shall be like Him.”
— 1 John 3:2

“He will transform our lowly body to be like His glorious body.”
— Philippians 3:21

That means:

• Recognizable
• Personal
• Physical
• But immortal, powerful, and glorious

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5. They will be​

This is crucial.

“Neither can they die anymore.”
— Luke 20:36

A glorified body cannot fall.
Cannot decay.
Cannot rebel.
Cannot suffer.


You will be fully human as God originally intended — before sin broke everything.

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In one sentence:​

Your glorified body will be your true self, fully physical, completely healed, immortal, radiant with God’s glory, no longer able to sin, suffer, or die — just like the risen Christ.


That is the destiny God has promised His people.

GEMINI

Conversation with Gemini​

what will the glorified bodies be like

In Christian theology, particularly within the context of the resurrection of the dead, the "glorified body" refers to the transformed state of believers in the afterlife.

Based on the discussion on the web page and biblical descriptions, here are the primary characteristics:

1. Modeled After Christ’s Resurrected Body​

The New Testament suggests that believers' future bodies will be like Jesus' body after He rose from the grave. This means they are:

• Tangible and Physical: Jesus could be touched and could eat food (Luke 24:39-43).
• Recognizable: He maintained His personal identity and form, though He also possessed the ability to appear or disappear.

2. Imperishable and Immortal​

Unlike current "natural" bodies that age, get sick, and die, the glorified body is raised imperishable. As noted in 1 Corinthians 15:

• It is no longer subject to decay, pain, or death.
• It is "sown in dishonor" but "raised in glory."

3. "Spiritual" Yet Substantial​

There is a debate mentioned on the web page regarding the nature of the "spiritual body" (sōma pneumatikon).

• One view (often held by traditionalists) is that "spiritual" means a body animated by the Holy Spirit, rather than being made of "ghostly" material.
• An alternative view (proposed by some participants in the forum) suggests the heavenly body abandons flesh and blood entirely to become purely spirit.

4. Full of Power and Radiance​

Scripture describes the righteous as "shining like the sun" (Matthew 13:43). The glorified body is raised in power, meaning it is no longer limited by the physical frailties, fatigue, or weaknesses of the current human condition.

Converse​

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Our glorified bodies will be transformed and free from suffering, decay, and death, resembling the resurrected body of Jesus. They will possess qualities such as impassibility, subtlety, agility, and clarity, making them powerful, beautiful, and capable of extraordinary abilities.

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Characteristics of Glorified Bodies​

Similar Yet Different​

• Same Essence: Our glorified bodies will share the same essence as our current bodies, similar to how a seed and the plant it grows into are fundamentally the same.
• Superior Nature: While they will be the same in essence, glorified bodies will be vastly superior, exhibiting qualities that our current bodies do not possess.

Key Qualities​

Impassibility	Glorified bodies will be incapable of suffering or death, free from pain and decay.
Subtlety	These bodies will have a spiritualized matter, allowing for abilities like passing through walls.
Agility	They will be able to appear and disappear at will, unconstrained by physical limitations.
Clarity	Glorified bodies will radiate brilliance and glory, reflecting the divine nature of God.
Beauty	They will be raised in indescribable beauty, embodying the sinless nature of a soul united with God.
Power	These bodies will possess great physical and spiritual power, akin to the abilities demonstrated by Jesus.
Spirit-filled	They will be fully filled with the Holy Spirit, enabling perfect communion with God.

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Biblical References​

• Transformation: 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 explains that our current bodies are perishable, but the resurrection bodies will be imperishable and glorious.
• Christlike Nature: Philippians 3:20-21 states that our lowly bodies will be transformed to be like Christ's glorious body.

In summary, glorified bodies will be perfect, powerful, and beautiful, reflecting the glory of God and free from the limitations of our current physical existence.


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The Bible describes the glorified body (also called the resurrection body or spiritual body) that believers will receive as something truly astonishing—imperishable, powerful, honorable, and perfectly suited for eternal life with God. This isn't a vague, ghostly existence; it's a transformed, physical body like the one Jesus had after His resurrection, which serves as the model for ours.

The key passage is 1 Corinthians 15, where Paul explains the contrast between our current earthly body and the future glorified one:

• It is sown (buried) perishable → raised imperishable (never decays, ages, gets sick, or dies again).
• It is sown in dishonor (weakened by sin, shame, and mortality) → raised in glory (radiant, honorable, and magnificent).
• It is sown in weakness → raised in power.
• It is sown a natural body → raised a spiritual body (not non-physical, but perfectly dominated and energized by the Spirit, free from the limitations of fallen flesh).

Paul sums it up in Philippians 3:21: Jesus "will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself." And 1 John 3:2 adds: "We know that when He appears, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."

What will it feel like / be capable of?​

We get the clearest picture from Jesus' post-resurrection appearances (e.g., Luke 24, John 20–21), since our bodies will be like His:

• Real and physical — Jesus invited people to touch Him ("Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have" — Luke 24:39). He ate food (broiled fish) to prove He wasn't a ghost.
• Recognizable — His disciples knew Him, though sometimes it took a moment (e.g., on the road to Emmaus or by the sea). We'll likely retain our identity and be known fully.
• Free from limitations — He could suddenly appear in locked rooms, pass through solid objects, and vanish/reappear instantly. This suggests extraordinary agility and freedom from normal space/time constraints.
• Glorious and radiant — While not always blindingly bright in the Gospels, other descriptions (e.g., Transfiguration, Revelation 1) show a splendor and power. Our bodies will shine with divine glory.
• Perfect and painless — No more sickness, fatigue, hunger/thirst as necessities, decay, or death. We'll be in peak, eternal health.

In short, imagine the best version of yourself—healthy, strong, beautiful in holiness—without any of sin's damage, and upgraded with supernatural capabilities, yet still truly you in a perfected, physical form. It's the fulfillment of what God originally intended humanity to be before the Fall, only better because it's conformed to Christ's glory.

The Bible doesn't give every detail (Paul says it's a "mystery" in 1 Corinthians 15:51), and we can't fully picture it now ("Eye has not seen, nor ear heard... the things which God has prepared" — 1 Corinthians 2:9). But the promise is breathtaking: eternal, vibrant life in bodies that perfectly reflect Christ's victory over death.

What an incredible hope! It makes every struggle in this frail body feel temporary and worthwhile.

 

[Jim]

You are denying the bodily Resurrection the very centerpiece of the gospel

It is raised (resurrected) a spiritual body, and neither you nor I really have the slightest idea of what that is.

 

[Jim]

You have me confused.

What is the "glorified body"?

I don't know. The bible never speaks of a glorified body. That is purely a man-conjured concept.

What did Jesus mean when he said "Mark 14:25 records these words: “Truly I tell you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God.” This vow appears during the Last Supper, where the disciples gathered for what is often viewed as the Passover meal .... seems like you would need some kind of something to keep it from ;leaking out?

Here are 3 Ais... the 4th wants too much money

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1. They will be​

Jesus’ resurrected body is the model.

I don't think that Jesus' raised body was any different than was Lazarus' raised body. Both were dead, both were raised healed from their afflictions.

After His resurrection:

• He could be touched (Luke 24:39)
• He ate food (Luke 24:42–43)
• He still had identity and form
• Yet He could appear and disappear (John 20:19)

So glorified bodies are not ghost-like — they are real, tangible, embodied — but no longer limited by decay or weakness.




“Spiritual” here means animated by God’s Spirit, not made of spirit.

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2. They will be​

No more:

• Aging
• Disease
• Disability
• Pain
• Death

Your glorified body will never wear out.
Never weaken.
Never die.

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3. They will be​

No fatigue.
No frailty.
No physical limitation.


Daniel says:




Jesus said:




We will be radiant with God’s glory.

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4. They will be​

This is the clearest statement in all of Scripture:






That means:

• Recognizable
• Personal
• Physical
• But immortal, powerful, and glorious

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5. They will be​

This is crucial.




A glorified body cannot fall.
Cannot decay.
Cannot rebel.
Cannot suffer.


You will be fully human as God originally intended — before sin broke everything.

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In one sentence:​

Your glorified body will be your true self, fully physical, completely healed, immortal, radiant with God’s glory, no longer able to sin, suffer, or die — just like the risen Christ.


That is the destiny God has promised His people.

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what will the glorified bodies be like

In Christian theology, particularly within the context of the resurrection of the dead, the "glorified body" refers to the transformed state of believers in the afterlife.

Based on the discussion on the web page and biblical descriptions, here are the primary characteristics:

1. Modeled After Christ’s Resurrected Body​

The New Testament suggests that believers' future bodies will be like Jesus' body after He rose from the grave. This means they are:

• Tangible and Physical: Jesus could be touched and could eat food (Luke 24:39-43).
• Recognizable: He maintained His personal identity and form, though He also possessed the ability to appear or disappear.

2. Imperishable and Immortal​

Unlike current "natural" bodies that age, get sick, and die, the glorified body is raised imperishable. As noted in 1 Corinthians 15:

• It is no longer subject to decay, pain, or death.
• It is "sown in dishonor" but "raised in glory."

3. "Spiritual" Yet Substantial​

There is a debate mentioned on the web page regarding the nature of the "spiritual body" (sōma pneumatikon).

• One view (often held by traditionalists) is that "spiritual" means a body animated by the Holy Spirit, rather than being made of "ghostly" material.
• An alternative view (proposed by some participants in the forum) suggests the heavenly body abandons flesh and blood entirely to become purely spirit.

4. Full of Power and Radiance​

Scripture describes the righteous as "shining like the sun" (Matthew 13:43). The glorified body is raised in power, meaning it is no longer limited by the physical frailties, fatigue, or weaknesses of the current human condition.

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Our glorified bodies will be transformed and free from suffering, decay, and death, resembling the resurrected body of Jesus. They will possess qualities such as impassibility, subtlety, agility, and clarity, making them powerful, beautiful, and capable of extraordinary abilities.

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Characteristics of Glorified Bodies​

Similar Yet Different​

• Same Essence: Our glorified bodies will share the same essence as our current bodies, similar to how a seed and the plant it grows into are fundamentally the same.
• Superior Nature: While they will be the same in essence, glorified bodies will be vastly superior, exhibiting qualities that our current bodies do not possess.

Key Qualities​

Impassibility	Glorified bodies will be incapable of suffering or death, free from pain and decay.
Subtlety	These bodies will have a spiritualized matter, allowing for abilities like passing through walls.
Agility	They will be able to appear and disappear at will, unconstrained by physical limitations.
Clarity	Glorified bodies will radiate brilliance and glory, reflecting the divine nature of God.
Beauty	They will be raised in indescribable beauty, embodying the sinless nature of a soul united with God.
Power	These bodies will possess great physical and spiritual power, akin to the abilities demonstrated by Jesus.
Spirit-filled	They will be fully filled with the Holy Spirit, enabling perfect communion with God.

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Biblical References​

• Transformation: 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 explains that our current bodies are perishable, but the resurrection bodies will be imperishable and glorious.
• Christlike Nature: Philippians 3:20-21 states that our lowly bodies will be transformed to be like Christ's glorious body.

In summary, glorified bodies will be perfect, powerful, and beautiful, reflecting the glory of God and free from the limitations of our current physical existence.


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The Bible describes the glorified body (also called the resurrection body or spiritual body) that believers will receive as something truly astonishing—imperishable, powerful, honorable, and perfectly suited for eternal life with God. This isn't a vague, ghostly existence; it's a transformed, physical body like the one Jesus had after His resurrection, which serves as the model for ours.

The key passage is 1 Corinthians 15, where Paul explains the contrast between our current earthly body and the future glorified one:

• It is sown (buried) perishable → raised imperishable (never decays, ages, gets sick, or dies again).
• It is sown in dishonor (weakened by sin, shame, and mortality) → raised in glory (radiant, honorable, and magnificent).
• It is sown in weakness → raised in power.
• It is sown a natural body → raised a spiritual body (not non-physical, but perfectly dominated and energized by the Spirit, free from the limitations of fallen flesh).

Paul sums it up in Philippians 3:21: Jesus "will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself." And 1 John 3:2 adds: "We know that when He appears, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."

What will it feel like / be capable of?​

We get the clearest picture from Jesus' post-resurrection appearances (e.g., Luke 24, John 20–21), since our bodies will be like His:

• Real and physical — Jesus invited people to touch Him ("Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have" — Luke 24:39). He ate food (broiled fish) to prove He wasn't a ghost.
• Recognizable — His disciples knew Him, though sometimes it took a moment (e.g., on the road to Emmaus or by the sea). We'll likely retain our identity and be known fully.
• Free from limitations — He could suddenly appear in locked rooms, pass through solid objects, and vanish/reappear instantly. This suggests extraordinary agility and freedom from normal space/time constraints.
• Glorious and radiant — While not always blindingly bright in the Gospels, other descriptions (e.g., Transfiguration, Revelation 1) show a splendor and power. Our bodies will shine with divine glory.
• Perfect and painless — No more sickness, fatigue, hunger/thirst as necessities, decay, or death. We'll be in peak, eternal health.

In short, imagine the best version of yourself—healthy, strong, beautiful in holiness—without any of sin's damage, and upgraded with supernatural capabilities, yet still truly you in a perfected, physical form. It's the fulfillment of what God originally intended humanity to be before the Fall, only better because it's conformed to Christ's glory.

The Bible doesn't give every detail (Paul says it's a "mystery" in 1 Corinthians 15:51), and we can't fully picture it now ("Eye has not seen, nor ear heard... the things which God has prepared" — 1 Corinthians 2:9). But the promise is breathtaking: eternal, vibrant life in bodies that perfectly reflect Christ's victory over death.

What an incredible hope! It makes every struggle in this frail body feel temporary and worthwhile.

If all of that is what you wish to believe, I can't stop you. But I think that you are very, very wrong in your assessment of the spiritual. Remember, we can't even identify our own spirits. They are not identifiable by any measurable means. Mankind is a trinitarian being, a soul with a body and a spirit; i.e., a living being with a natural body and a spiritual (body?) We can identify the body, but we cannot identify the spirit. The reason is that the spirit is not quantifiable by any physical means.

 

[FreeInChrist]

I don't know. The bible never speaks of a glorified body. That is purely a man-conjured concept.

I don't think that Jesus' raised body was any different than was Lazarus' raised body. Both were dead, both were raised healed from their afflictions.

If all of that is what you wish to believe, I can't stop you. But I think that you are very, very wrong in your assessment of the spiritual. Remember, we can't even identify our own spirits. They are not identifiable by any measurable means. Mankind is a trinitarian being, a soul with a body and a spirit; i.e., a living being with a natural body and a spiritual (body?) We can identify the body, but we cannot identify the spirit. The reason is that the spirit is not quantifiable by any physical means.

But Jesus did tell those at the last supper he would drink with them when the times comes... they all be dead and into eternity...

Anyway... it is not my assessment it is what 4 Ais wrote... all slightly different but I dont know either so thought I would check them out

 

[Jim]

But Jesus did tell those at the last supper he would drink with them when the times comes... they all be dead and into eternity...

And he said to eat of His body and drink of His blood. We, unless you are RCC, don't treat that as a literal action, but rather as a metaphorical and symbolic action.

 

[FreeInChrist]

And he said to eat of His body and drink of His blood. We, unless you are RCC, don't treat that as a literal action, but rather as a metaphorical and symbolic action.

I assed to that BTW about it was not I with the spiritual but 4 different Ais.

I do call it literal... that one

 

[Jim]

Nope he us called the 2nd Adam after the resurrection read it in the passage I quoted

Jesus was a life-giving spirit from the very beginning, from even before creation.

 

[Jim]

I assed to that BTW about it was not I with the spiritual but 4 different Ais.

I do call it literal... that one

I am not very much into AI. Maybe someday.