Kingdom of God Revealed

mikesw

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One big step in my search on eschatology was the result of my interest in eschatological terms. I was looking for the way terms might be defined. This landed me in Matthew 13 (parables of the mysteries of the kingdom) with its many terms – or at least key terms. One element quickly detected is that the parables often speak of first-century details, such as the carrying of seed that proceeds the parable of Jesus sowing good seed. These together speak of first-century. This timing also means that the seed of the kingdom also was planted in the first-century, not as some future event. So a different concept of the kingdom of God became more and more clearer.

The kingdom then is viewed in the original context of Christ's reign over the physical nations of the earth. The kingdom of God may consist of God regaining the nations under his dominion via the promised King/Messiah of prophecy to the Israel people.

The idea of a spiritual reign over the saints appears to be a concept improperly interpreting the verses about entering the kingdom. Instead of viewing those verses as a spiritual change (even if a spiritual change happens to these people who heard this), the concept can be seen as followers of Christ essentially surviving to the start of Christ's reign on earth circa AD70.

Saints would be raised to participate in Christ's reign from heaven over the physical nations as fulfillment of prophecy in Daniel 7-8 (approx).
The assignment of the kingdom of God to this reign instead of a spiritual reign over Christians does not take away from Christian benefits. It actually highlights a second aspect of benefits to Christians, though, perhaps, limited to the first-century Christians {but I have not decided if it is only those first century persecuted Christians who were called to that reign}.

Anyhow, the parables of the mysteries became clearer through an analysis of the meaning of each parable along with the mystery revealed. The revealing of each mystery (and only one mystery per parable) seemed to fill in missing details of how Christ would judge the world and how the earthly reign would function.
An interesting point is that Matthew appears to have had the insight to assemble the parables together so that the mysteries could be uncovered again. Also, the parables are assembled in the sequence that allows a metaphor to be shared in one parable that is needed to figure out the next parable.

Anyhow, the sense I got from figuring out the kingdom parables and then the Romans letter seventeen years ago is that God would be leading the world into a new phase of understanding and then (what we might designate as) eschatological fulfillment. Now this expectation has spread more broadly, as people view events around them. They are mostly viewing these through a misconception of Revelation but still that expectation exists.
 
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addressing the OP,
Luke 17:20 "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:" Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

and that happen on the day of Pentecost.

it's M.O.? Romans 14:17 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."

101G.
 
addressing the OP,
Luke 17:20 "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:" Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

and that happen on the day of Pentecost.

it's M.O.? Romans 14:17 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."

101G.
I can attest that I have no nations, nor even people, inside of me. Certainly the passages assembled without balance assume the kingdom is "within you" instead of "in your midst." Luke 17:21 would be better understood as Jesus's presence among them but also toward it coming upon them shortly.
Rom 14:17 shows the gentiles are beneficiaries of the kingdom even though the goal of the kingdom is over the physical nations.

Anyhow, I know that my reading differs from all others. I figured to share an introduction to the idea derived in part from the mysteries of the kingdom of God as found in Matthew 13.
 
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I can attest that I have no nations, nor even people, inside of me. Certainly the passages assembled without balance assume the kingdom is "within you" instead of "in your midst." Luke 17:21 would be better understood as Jesus's presence among them but also toward it coming upon them shortly.
Rom 14:17 shows the gentiles are beneficiaries of the kingdom even though the goal of the kingdom is over the physical nations.

Anyhow, I know that my reading differs from all others. I figured to share an introduction to the idea derived in part from the mysteries of the kingdom of God as found in Matthew 13.
so you have not the Holy Spirit the Lord Jesus in, in, in, you? John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

IN YOU.

in much GL.

101G
 
so you have not the Holy Spirit the Lord Jesus in, in, in, you? John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

IN YOU.

in much GL.

101G
That is good to know. Now back to the kingdom of God topic.
 
That is good to know. Now back to the kingdom of God topic.
Listen carefully,
A. Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

B. Mark 9:1 "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power."

C. Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."

remember, when the Lord Jesus spoke these words, it was audience relevant.

now, did not the Kingdom of God come on Pentecost? yes or no.

in much GL.

101G
 
Yes. That was great that the kingdom started within 50 or so years of when Jesus said that. It was not Pentecost though. Most were going to taste dead by the time it started. I think we saw the kingdom of God start when Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed.
 
Yes. That was great that the kingdom started within 50 or so years of when Jesus said that. It was not Pentecost though. Most were going to taste dead by the time it started. I think we saw the kingdom of God start when Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed.
ERROR, the Kingdom of God came in POWER. and is not the Holy Ghost that POWER?

will be looking for your reply......

in much GL.

101G
 
ERROR, the Kingdom of God came in POWER. and is not the Holy Ghost that POWER?

will be looking for your reply......

in much GL.

101G
It makes sense that the power they encountered was the power within which the kingdom of God came. There is no disconnect from that power given them and the kingdom that came later, in their generation. Otherwise, you have to say that most disciples died before the Day of Pentecost.

Basically I followed the trail of scriptures. The kingdom of God has to be the reign over the nations. As you shared, it had to start in that era. It also had to deliver people from the Roman Empire (Luke 1:74). We cannot remove the meaning of the kingdom from its essence. The "entry" into the kingdom meant they were alive when Christ would begin reigning over the nations. The Matt 13 parables explain the nature of that rule -- like the Mustard Seed parable.
 
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