Jesus LOVES every rotten little sinner that EVER lived!!!

Rom 9:13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Look like discriminate Love to me, I rest my case.

Point in time reference. Esau reconciled with Jacob. God blessed Esau. Just like God blessed Ishmael and the sons of Keturah. God blessed and forgave Nineveh. God CHANGES.... things.

Calvinist live in small.... areas of the Scriptures. They must. It impossible for them to deal with the entirety of God's revelations.
 
Point in time reference. Esau reconciled with Jacob. God blessed Esau. Just like God blessed Ishmael and the sons of Keturah. God blessed and forgave Nineveh. God CHANGES.... things.

Calvinist live in small.... areas of the Scriptures. They must. It impossible for them to deal with the entirety of God's revelations.
Looks discriminate to me. I rest on the authority of Gods word. Did God Love Esau according to Rom 9:13
 
Looks discriminate to me. I rest on the authority of Gods word. Did God Love Esau according to Rom 9:13

I'm sure it does look that way to you. Good thing we don't have to limit ourselves to how you "see it".

I think I'll rest on the authority of God's word. I know a little more than you're willing to accept. Here. Consider this....

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You act like a teenage boy who insists that he can eat all the ice cream he wants....... simply because his father once told him he could eat ice cream.

There is no reason to believe your claim.
 
God hates all the reprobated workers of iniquity Ps 5:5

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

But He loved the sinful wicked elect Rom 5:8

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Looks like discriminate Love to me.

Yeah. Like you've been told many times. You believe you're a "special" class of sinner. What an oxymoron.
 
I'm sure it does look that way to you. Good thing we don't have to limit ourselves to how you "see it".

I think I'll rest on the authority of God's word. I know a little more than you're willing to accept. Here. Consider this....

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You act like a teenage boy who insists that he can eat all the ice cream he wants....... simply because his father once told him he could eat ice cream.

There is no reason to believe your claim.
It is that way, God loved one of the men and hated the other one.
 
Calvinism is a new way of thinking that stemmed from a 4th century blending of pretentious Christianity with Pelagian Premises and Manichaean Gnosticism. No love in it.

 
I love this one. It's indiscriminately based on God's love or χωρίς διάκριση on His love for sinners.

But God shows and clearly proves His [own] love for us by the fact that while we were still sinners, Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One) died for us
Romans 5:8.
 
I love this one. It's indiscriminately based on God's love or χωρίς διάκριση on His love for sinners.

But God shows and clearly proves His [own] love for us by the fact that while we were still sinners, Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One) died for us
Romans 5:8.

Who is he writing to? Who are the "us"?
 
Whether they are big or small, Jesus loves rotten sinners all!!!!

Every rotten little sinner is a BLESSING to Jesus!!!!

PERIOD.

JOHN 3:!6
Yes, God is love, so of course He loves us.

The love/hate of preferential treatment in the old testament is understood in the love rendition in Matthew of the same Jesus saying that is rendered as hate in Luke regarding being disciples. You must love God more, you must always put everyone but God second.

Jacob was put first, and Esau was put second. So according to the understanding of selfish humans, Jacob was loved and Esau was hated. Yet, God is love.

Love is much deeper than the division of inheritance.
 
I love this one. It's indiscriminately based on God's love or χωρίς διάκριση on His love for sinners.

But God shows and clearly proves His [own] love for us by the fact that while we were still sinners, Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One) died for us
Romans 5:8.
Rom 5:8 is the Elect, thats who Christ died for Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
 
Whether they are big or small, Jesus loves rotten sinners all!!!!
Not true on many levels.
First, God loves those whose names are in the book of life of the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world. These are the people for whom God sent His Son to be a propitiation for their sin.
Second, God loves those He saves, and God saves those He loves.
Third, if God loves everyone then He would be bound by that love to save everyone, but that simply is not the case. God is love and because God is love, His love would not sit by while the objects of that love perish from His Presence.
Fourth, God loves, and God hates. These Attributes are Immutable. They are Sovereign. If God loves "someone" He will save that "someone. If God hates "someone" He will not save that "someone."
Fifth, the Bible teaches that Salvation is of the Lord. It is His salvation. He Sovereignly decides who becomes saved and who doesn't. It is His Presence. He decides as King who He grants permission to stand before Him in His Presence. In any earthly kingdom no one can just drive up to the gates and simply walk before the king. Nor does anyone have the power nor the authority to stand before the King of the universe without His permission.
Sixth, the teaching behind the Tabernacle says that before the high priest can enter the Holy of Holies and the Presence of the Lord he must go through several ritual cleansings and preparations to do so and if the high priest fails in any of those requirements in order to enter the Presence of the LORD that high priest will die for no flesh shall glory in His Presence.
Seventh, there are other considerations from Scripture that address your error and one of them is Scripture teaching itself. Simply put, the Scripture says, "there is none that seeketh God" (Rom. 3:11.) And the reason why they don't seek God is because they are bound in sin and have no power or ability to free themselves from this condition. Saul calls it slavery. A servant of sin. And a servant has only ONE master. And this was one of the reasons why God sent His only begotten Son to die (and resurrect) and free God's people, those whose names are in the book of life of the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world. Jesus taught that no one could steal from a strong man his treasures and possessions unless he first binds the strong man. This, Jesus did. Sin could not hold the Son of God under its power forever. Death could not hold the Son of God in His tomb. The stronger man triumphed over sin and death and conquored both through His sacrifice. And once the Ministry of the Holy Spirit applies the salvation bought by the Son upon those whose names are in the book of life the person is freed and there is only one place to go: to God.
Eighth, you quote John 3:16 but fail to understand its meaning. And you fail to take into consideration the verses accompanying what Jesus said as a whole. Anyone can take one verse out of its context to make it say whatever they want, but what Jesus said in John 3:16 must be taken in context to the statements before and after 3:16, and correct understanding of the words or terms used is necessary to come away with the truth of the subject matter and its meaning. Two words in 3:16 that are incorrectly misunderstood are the basis for the fallacy. Also, the overall meaning of Jesus' words must be correctly interpreted and understood in context to the whole doctrine of salvation found in other parts of the bible. Your understanding of John 3:16 contradicts overall teaching from Scripture the doctrine of salvation.
Every rotten little sinner is a BLESSING to Jesus!!!!
Sin and sinner cannot be a blessing to a Holy God. God is offended by sin and sinner. It was so offensive that it brought the death of His Beloved Son. But it did not defeat Him.
PERIOD.

JOHN 3:!6
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, was covenanted and promised to Israel. Prophecy also bears this out. Referencing what happened in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle and Moses shows us the original context in which to understand the 'serpent' on the piece of wood Moses held up before the plagued children of Israel. Jesus reveals a similar occurrence to take place with Him as 'sin/serpent' on a piece of 'wood/cross' by which those who look upon it as instructed by Moses should live and be healed of their plague. To the Hebrew mind the 'serpent' lifted up was offensive to the Jews. But they were instructed to do what they found offensive in order to live.

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

The word "whosoever" must be taken in context to who Moses was speaking to, and that is, the Hebrew children of Israel. "Whosoever" of the children of Israel that looked upon the serpent shall live. And Jesus is not changing the Law by His use of "whosever" in John 3:16. The context remains the same. He is speaking to the children of Israel, He was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel, and every word He spoke and taught was to and for the children of Israel. Even the requirements of what they must do in order to live and that is, to see the cursed thing on a piece of wood lifted up in the wilderness and live. And Israel had to do the same thing with regard to Him hanging on a cross for the Law says, anyone hanging on a tree was cursed and this was a great stumbling block to the children of Israel in the desert and to the children of Israel outside Jerusalem when Jesus hanged on a tree and was crucified.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Again, the word "world" and "whosever" is taken in context to whom Jesus was speaking. It does not mean the planet and it does not mean anyone or everyone. The name the angel Gabriel gave His parents (Jesus) means "He shall save HIS PEOPLE from their sins" and the world at large are not His people. His people as being from the tribe of Judah are the other eleven tribes of Israel/Jacob, a people God has covenant with to redeem and to save.


17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

The context above remains the same. The children of Israel to whom He was speaking to.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Notice "condemned already." There are people already condemned. And the fact that God is Sovereign and God is Immutable (does not change) there is no hope for a people already condemned. God doesn't change His Mind. There is no salvation to a people that are already condemned. They go to the gallows, and they are executed. No pardon. No commutation of their sentence for it is a Sovereign sentence and those "condemned already" are those whose names are NOT in the book of life of the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

What Jesus says here to the children of Israel is extremely important. He says, "light [Christ] is come into the world and men loved darkness rather than light [Christ] because their sinful, unatoned, condemned already condition has them bound as servants to sin [darkness] and their deeds are evil. Man will have only one master: God or mammon, God or sin. And Jesus in making this distinction and truth understood.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
John 3:13–20.

Jesus adds that everyone that does evil hates the light [Christ], neither comes to the light [Christ] so his deeds should be reproved. So, a person bound in sin does evil and is a servant of sin. Sin and darkness deeds are his master. A person in this unatoned condition hates Christ and neither come to Christ in order to have their sinful deeds reproved. This is supported by Saul quoting in Romans 3:11 from the Old Testament which says, "no man seeketh God." People bound and lost in sin do not seek God, they hate God as revealed by Jesus and the apostle. This is why Jesus Christ, Israel's covenanted and promised Redeemer must be lifted up on a tree (killed for their sin) in order for those people whose names are in the book of life of the lamb slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world can live. They are in the book of LIFE and those not in the book of life are "condemned already" and are in the book of death and when the books are opened when Christ judges the whole of mankind this truth will bear out.
Period.
 
I've already chimed in on this. It's just speculation. My speculation is that God has mercy on infants who die. But that's all it is. Speculation. There's no definitive scripture on this. I trust in whatever God does in this case.
There is Scripture teaching that addresses this question. It's just the answer offends people's sensibilities of what THEY THINK the answer SHOULD be leaning on their own understanding in the vanity of their minds.
 
Who is he writing to? Who are the "us"?
Romans 5:8 is a verse that shows the unconditional and sacrificial love of God for sinners. It says that God proved His love for us by sending His Son, Christ, to die for us while we were still sinners. This verse is similar to John 3:16, which also declares God’s love and gift of salvation for everyone that believes. Paul wrote this verse to help us know and experience the love of God that is poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit.
 
Rom 5:8 is the Elect, thats who Christ died for Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Election simply means a “choice.” So anyone can make the choice of believing in the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross. Simple enough, right?

Feel free to complicate it with the Calvinist system, which logically entails the unbiblical principle that God secretly made arbitrary choices before the foundation of the world, unilaterally fixing the eternal destiny of every individual.
 
Who is he writing to? Who are the "us"?
love under that theology is double speak and contradicts scripture. since we know God is love and Jesus is God He tells us and shows us what His universal love looks like and acts like as God Incarnate. He loves those who hated Him without a cause, He died for them, He prayed for them, He said we are to love our enemies because He loved and died for His enemies. Love not hate is the hallmark of a Christian. It’s the opposite in calvins theology- he persecuted and killed his enemies. Calvin demonstrated hate not love. And man will act out their idea's about God in their life. Think of the militant Islamists. Their god is a vengeful and hateful god of all those who are not muslims. Ones view of God comes out in how they live and treat others who are different from them. Gods love is universal towards all mankind.

Yes a lie that Jesus doesn’t love everyone, all the world for which He provided atonement for as scripture declares

Nowhere in Scripture does it say Christ ONLY died for the elect:

He died for ALL (1 Tim. 2:6).
He died for ALL MEN (Rom. 5:18; 1 Tim. 4:10).
He died for US ALL, for ALL OF US (Isa. 53:6).
He died for the UNGODLY (Rom. 5:6).
He died for CHRIST-DENIERS (2 Peter 2:1).
He died for SINNERS (Rom. 5:8).
He died for EVERY MAN (Heb. 2:9).
He died for MANY (Matthew 20:28).
He died for the WORLD (John 6:33,51; John 1:29 and John 3:16).
He died for the WHOLE WORLD (1 John 2:2).
He died for the WHOLE NATION of Israel (John 11:50-51).
He died for the CHURCH (Eph. 5:25).
He died for His SHEEP (John 10:11).
He died for ME (Gal. 2:20).

hope this helps !!!
 
Election simply means a “choice.” So anyone can make the choice of believing in the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross. Simple enough, right?

Feel free to complicate it with the Calvinist system, which logically entails the unbiblical principle that God secretly made arbitrary choices before the foundation of the world, unilaterally fixing the eternal destiny of every individual.
God only loved the Elect and Christ only died for them.
 
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