Jesus LOVES every rotten little sinner that EVER lived!!!
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brightfame52
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You should already know the answer to that, Tulip truth is nothing more than the Gospel of Gods Grace, Tulip and Calvinism are slanderous nick names, especially calvinisn, because it relegates the Truths of God into the opinion of men.
brightfame52
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And to say Jesus loves every sinner that ever lived is a lie !
civic
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Jesus command us to love your enemies. Love those who persecute you.
You would change this to hate your enemies and hate those who persecute you. You have the opposite view of Jesus teaching.
brightfame52
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Im not talking about what God commanded, but to say Jesus loved every sinner is a lie, a false gospel message. Jesus exclusively Loved His Church, His Body and gave Himself for it, Eph 5:25-27
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
civic
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Quote the Bible where it says Jesus hated anyone.
I can't wait to see what you can find.
Bronson
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First We believe Then we have "eternal (everlasting) life."
John 3:14–18
And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert [on a pole], so must [so it is necessary that] the Son of Man be lifted up [on the cross], [Num. 21:9.]
15 In order that everyone who believes in Him [who cleaves to Him, trusts Him, and relies on Him] may not perish, but have eternal life and [actually] live forever!
16 For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
17 For God did not send the Son into the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, but that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him.
18 He who believes in Him [who clings to, trusts in, relies on Him] is not judged [he who trusts in Him never comes up for judgment; for him there is no rejection, no condemnation—he incurs no damnation]; but he who does not believe (cleave to, rely on, trust in Him) is judged already [he has already been convicted and has already received his sentence] because he has not believed in and trusted in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [He is condemned for refusing to let his trust rest in Christ’s name.]
Jesus Is Telling Nicodemus that when Moses lifted up a brass serpent on a pole in the wilderness to heal all who believed, it was a type of Himself, the Son of Man Who would also be lifted up as the sacrifice for sin, and that ALL who believe on Him would be healed, declared righteous, and live eternally.
brightfame52
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Bronson
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God loves the sinner, but hates the sin.
The world is full of sinners But God's word tells us:
For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
John 3:16
The world is full of sinners But God's word tells us:
For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
John 3:16
Bronson
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I assume by dead people you're talking about people that are dead in sin... unsaved people. Yes they believe. They do believe in many things. Take gravity for instance. Take an unsafe person for a hike at the grand canyon and ask him if he believes in gravity.
Believing is not work. Unsafe people have no problem believing in themselves. Take for instance drug addicts. They believe that drugs going to make them feel better. A lot of serial killers believe they need to continue killing because of the gratification it gives them.
Bottom line is unsaved people believe the lie, they walk in darkness.
For every wrongdoer hates (loathes, detests) the Light, and will not come out into the Light but shrinks from it, lest his works (his deeds, his activities, his conduct) be exposed and reproved.
21 But he who practices truth [who does what is right] comes out into the Light; so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are—wrought with God [divinely prompted, done with God’s help, in dependence upon Him].
John 3:20–21
civic
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Amen !!!
James 2:8
If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well.
1 John 4:10
This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 1 John 2:2- not only for our sins but the sins of the whole world
1 John 4:19
We love because he first loved us.
John 13:34-35
34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
John 15:13
13 "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.
John 15:17
17 "This I command you, that you love one another
Matt 22:37-40
And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
God loves sinners- God demonstrated His love in that while we were yet sinners, Christ dies for us. Romans 5:8. God loves all the world, not just some of the world. John 3:16.
hope this helps!!!
brightfame52
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Yes dead in sin, alienated from the life of God. They have no life, and believing is an activity of life
brightfame52
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False. John 3:16 doesnt say that.
Bronson
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Sure it does, it was copy and paste directly from the Bible.
brightfame52
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No it doesnt, you just been misled friend.
Bronson
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Okay let's see if I have this right. Sinners have no life and they can't believe anything because that's an activity of life.
Do you mean believing is an activity like this:
Now this I affirm and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds; 18 they are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them,
Eph 4:17–18
Paul is saying that at one time the members of the church in Ephesus walked as the Gentiles Of that time period did. But because God loved them so much they were able to believe in Jesus. They made a very good choice as did everyone that is saved.
Bronson
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Let's not make this personal
Excellent idea
brightfame52
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Aint no right answer but that its a lie
civic
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Yes a lie that Jesus doesn’t love everyone, all the world for which He provided atonement for as scripture declares
Nowhere in Scripture does it say Christ ONLY died for the elect:
He died for ALL (1 Tim. 2:6).
He died for ALL MEN (Rom. 5:18; 1 Tim. 4:10).
He died for US ALL, for ALL OF US (Isa. 53:6).
He died for the UNGODLY (Rom. 5:6).
He died for CHRIST-DENIERS (2 Peter 2:1).
He died for SINNERS (Rom. 5:8).
He died for EVERY MAN (Heb. 2:9).
He died for MANY (Matthew 20:28).
He died for the WORLD (John 6:33,51; John 1:29 and John 3:16).
He died for the WHOLE WORLD (1 John 2:2).
He died for the WHOLE NATION of Israel (John 11:50-51).
He died for the CHURCH (Eph. 5:25).
He died for His SHEEP (John 10:11).
He died for ME (Gal. 2:20).
hope this helps !!!
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