Jesus in the Old Testament

jeremiah1five said:
Using Scripture does not equate to believing the Scripture.
But let's test that.
Peter says the angels that sinned are locked up and awaiting judgment. Do you believe Peter?

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:4.

According to Peter the angels that sinned are locked up. I believe Peter, do you?
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The angels sinned long before the war in heaven occurred----- They were having sex with females on earth in Noah's day, making babies that turned into Nephlim= very violent, large men fathered by fallen angels.))))
( Rev 6:2-Rev 12) yet they fought in that battle in heaven here in these last days,( Rev 12) quite awhile ago that event occurred. Satan and his angels lost, they were cast to the vicinity of the Earth.( Rev 12:7-9) This is where they are awaiting this(Rev 19:11)--Peters words meant something else. The abyss (Rev 20:2) is where they will be locked up for 1000 years. It has not occurred yet.
 
Keiw1 said:
The angels sinned long before the war in heaven occurred----- They were having sex with females on earth in Noah's day, making babies that turned into Nephlim= very violent, large men fathered by fallen angels.))))
( Rev 6:2-Rev 12) yet they fought in that battle in heaven here in these last days,( Rev 12) quite awhile ago that event occurred. Satan and his angels lost, they were cast to the vicinity of the Earth.( Rev 12:7-9) This is where they are awaiting this(Rev 19:11)--Peters words meant something else. The abyss (Rev 20:2) is where they will be locked up for 1000 years. It has not occurred yet.
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ALL the angels of God are male, spirits of fire, non-corporeal bodies, without genitals nor DNA or sperm.
You've told me the textbook version of Genesis 6. The sons of God are the descendants of Seth. It is impossible for angels to engage in HOLY matrimony. They are spirit beings, like wind. They have no genitals, no sperm, no DNA and God ordained that His created animals have offspring "after their kind."
You have a demonic zoo you're posting and believe in.
The angels that sinned, sinned BEFORE God created man.
Try studying the question without other men's bible studies. Ask, seek, and knock. God will reveal the truth to you.
Maybe.
 
John Evens said:
“What’s the Old Testament all about?” The Author, the divine Author behind the human authors, had already given the answer to similarly confused disciples about two thousand years ago. Jesus told them the Old Testament was all about Him.

Jesus told His disciples that His life and death matched exactly the predictions of the Old Testament prophets. They had believed some of the prophets’ writings—the parts that spoke of the Messiah’s glory. But they had not believed all that the prophets had spoken—especially the parts that spoke of the Messiah’s sufferings and death.

By some counts, more than 300 Old Testament prophecies point to Jesus Christ and were fulfilled by Him in His life on earth. These include prophecies about His unique birth (Isaiah 7:14), His earthly ministry (Isaiah 61:1), and even the way He would die (Psalm 22). Jesus shocked the religious establishment when He stood up in the synagogue of Nazareth and read from Isaiah 61, concluding with this commentary: “This scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing today” (Luke 4:18–21). Got?

But there are even deeper ways that Jesus is found in the Old Testament. These are seen in what we call “types.” A type is a person or thing in the Old Testament that foreshadows a person or thing in the New.

So the Bible is all about Jesus.
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Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”
Luke 24:44
 
Keiw1 said:
Only Jehovah is God so it answers itself.
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well then you have a problem, the Lord God who sent his angel is the Lord Jesus who is "GOD". listen, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

you want to try again?

101G.
 
jeremiah1five said:
ALL the angels of God are male, spirits of fire, non-corporeal bodies, without genitals nor DNA or sperm.
You've told me the textbook version of Genesis 6. The sons of God are the descendants of Seth. It is impossible for angels to engage in HOLY matrimony. They are spirit beings, like wind. They have no genitals, no sperm, no DNA and God ordained that His created animals have offspring "after their kind."
You have a demonic zoo you're posting and believe in.
The angels that sinned, sinned BEFORE God created man.
Try studying the question without other men's bible studies. Ask, seek, and knock. God will reveal the truth to you.
Maybe.
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They appeared as mortals down here. God stopped them doing that after the flood. They fathered the Nephlim--Every scholar on Earth knows its 100% fact.
 
101G said:
well then you have a problem, the Lord God who sent his angel is the Lord Jesus who is "GOD". listen, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

you want to try again?

101G.
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Jesus is Gods appointed king= above every other angel in heaven, thus can send one anytime he wants.
 
Keiw1 said:
They appeared as mortals down here. God stopped them doing that after the flood. They fathered the Nephlim--Every scholar on Earth knows its 100% fact.
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You got that from a textbook.
Tell me, do you accept everything you read? Do you ever find comments contradicting Scripture, and when this happens what do you do? Is there no critical thinking on your part? Is there no original thinking on your part?

I used to believe those things. I don't anymore. Do you want to know why? It's because when a Scripture that is applicable contradicts long-held false Gentile theology I get to studying, to test what others have said and what has long been written in theology books. I study, like Saul, under the anointing and the Lord gives me understanding. Then He confirms it. Early on I was taught the angels that sinned were all around us, cooking up devious schemes to trap man, even "possess" a person, but there are Scriptures that such conclusions cannot get passed. Like the teaching and belief that angels can possess men. Or the teaching that angels mated with women and had giant offspring (Nephilim) like what you believe. I also used to believe what I was taught early on that "Satan" tempted Jesus, but I don't believe that anymore. According to Isaiah, Peter, and Jude, the angels that sinned are locked up and awaiting judgment.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

I ask myself when this happened and the most reasonable conclusion is before God created man. Then, I asked myself, what exactly did he do that was sinful. It can't be the angels tried to mate with women because as spirit beings and women material beings, knowing also that all God's angels are male and that there is no command to "be fruitful and multiply," no genitals, no female angels, that their number is fixed. I don't see angels participating in HOLY matrimony and marrying. Not even animals engage in marrying. Angels do not have creative abilities to create bodies, inhabit those bodies, and then marry human women. That is preposterous. Bizarro. And God would not allow it. Then, the word studies. The word "nephal" means "bullies" and "tyrant", exactly the kind of people that are lawless. Anyway, such stories must have Scripture support and there is none, nor are such stories reasonable.

Then I read this:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. James 1:14.

Strong's defines the word "lust" as "longing." Jesus Christ was God and He was man. It says He was hungered. A hungry person longs for food, and He was no different. There is no sin in that. It comes with the flesh. I concluded reasonably that Jesus the man was tested. I don't find TWO ways to be tempted according to James. And if it was Satan who tempted Him, then He was tested as we are and cannot be our Mediator and Intercessor to know what we go through similarly because if the angels that sinned are locked up, then Satan/Lucifer could not have been with Him in the desert. It was the human part of the God-man that was tested.

It's a shame many who claim to know Christ give Satan, Lucifer TOO MUCH glory and abilities. But I am not deceived. If Peter says "the angels that sinned are [locked up]" then it could not be an angel - fallen or otherwise.
I believe God is Sovereign, not man and not angels.

I know better. I study the Scripture to know what Scripture says. I have long put away childish things when I became a man. As for other peoples' bible studies? Why should we study at all? Let's all just regurgitate what we read in other people's bible studies.

Not me. I rely on Scripture, the Holy Spirit, Strong as my linguist, and a desire to know what is in Scripture and a sound mind. If you want to believe what are lies when held up to Scripture, then you go ahead. Me? I know better.
I stopped using commentaries and other people's bible studies a long time ago and trust the Lord to teach me His Word.
I am not one to give textbook responses. I know how to study and think things thru. Those that refer to other men's bible studies and commentaries are merely a man of men.
Me? I am a man of God.
Besides this, one of my spiritual gifts is exercised through reliance to God and His Word.
I am a Biblical Christian. That's the only kind of Christian there is in existence.
If one's Christianity is not Biblical, then it is NOT Christianity.
Bottom line.

Now, Go, and sin no more!
 
Keiw1 said:
Jesus is Gods appointed king= above every other angel in heaven, thus can send one anytime he wants.
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ERROR, JESUS is God, the ONLY TRUE GOD, that's why he can send ... "HIS" ... angels.
so try again.

101G.
 
jeremiah1five said:
ALL the angels of God are male, spirits of fire, non-corporeal bodies, without genitals nor DNA or sperm.
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But able to procreate if one believes how Jesus was concepted. Or was that Holy Spirit the only one who could do that?
jeremiah1five said:
You've told me the textbook version of Genesis 6. The sons of God are the descendants of Seth. It is impossible for angels to engage in HOLY matrimony. They are spirit beings, like wind. They have no genitals, no sperm, no DNA and God ordained that His created animals have offspring "after their kind."
You have a demonic zoo you're posting and believe in.
The angels that sinned, sinned BEFORE God created man.
Try studying the question without other men's bible studies. Ask, seek, and knock. God will reveal the truth to you.
Maybe.
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FreeInChrist said:
You did not clarify then how Jesus came to be.
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35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luke 1:35.
 
jeremiah1five said:
You got that from a textbook.
Tell me, do you accept everything you read? Do you ever find comments contradicting Scripture, and when this happens what do you do? Is there no critical thinking on your part? Is there no original thinking on your part?

I used to believe those things. I don't anymore. Do you want to know why? It's because when a Scripture that is applicable contradicts long-held false Gentile theology I get to studying, to test what others have said and what has long been written in theology books. I study, like Saul, under the anointing and the Lord gives me understanding. Then He confirms it. Early on I was taught the angels that sinned were all around us, cooking up devious schemes to trap man, even "possess" a person, but there are Scriptures that such conclusions cannot get passed. Like the teaching and belief that angels can possess men. Or the teaching that angels mated with women and had giant offspring (Nephilim) like what you believe. I also used to believe what I was taught early on that "Satan" tempted Jesus, but I don't believe that anymore. According to Isaiah, Peter, and Jude, the angels that sinned are locked up and awaiting judgment.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

I ask myself when this happened and the most reasonable conclusion is before God created man. Then, I asked myself, what exactly did he do that was sinful. It can't be the angels tried to mate with women because as spirit beings and women material beings, knowing also that all God's angels are male and that there is no command to "be fruitful and multiply," no genitals, no female angels, that their number is fixed. I don't see angels participating in HOLY matrimony and marrying. Not even animals engage in marrying. Angels do not have creative abilities to create bodies, inhabit those bodies, and then marry human women. That is preposterous. Bizarro. And God would not allow it. Then, the word studies. The word "nephal" means "bullies" and "tyrant", exactly the kind of people that are lawless. Anyway, such stories must have Scripture support and there is none, nor are such stories reasonable.

Then I read this:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. James 1:14.

Strong's defines the word "lust" as "longing." Jesus Christ was God and He was man. It says He was hungered. A hungry person longs for food, and He was no different. There is no sin in that. It comes with the flesh. I concluded reasonably that Jesus the man was tested. I don't find TWO ways to be tempted according to James. And if it was Satan who tempted Him, then He was tested as we are and cannot be our Mediator and Intercessor to know what we go through similarly because if the angels that sinned are locked up, then Satan/Lucifer could not have been with Him in the desert. It was the human part of the God-man that was tested.

It's a shame many who claim to know Christ give Satan, Lucifer TOO MUCH glory and abilities. But I am not deceived. If Peter says "the angels that sinned are [locked up]" then it could not be an angel - fallen or otherwise.
I believe God is Sovereign, not man and not angels.

I know better. I study the Scripture to know what Scripture says. I have long put away childish things when I became a man. As for other peoples' bible studies? Why should we study at all? Let's all just regurgitate what we read in other people's bible studies.

Not me. I rely on Scripture, the Holy Spirit, Strong as my linguist, and a desire to know what is in Scripture and a sound mind. If you want to believe what are lies when held up to Scripture, then you go ahead. Me? I know better.
I stopped using commentaries and other people's bible studies a long time ago and trust the Lord to teach me His Word.
I am not one to give textbook responses. I know how to study and think things thru. Those that refer to other men's bible studies and commentaries are merely a man of men.
Me? I am a man of God.
Besides this, one of my spiritual gifts is exercised through reliance to God and His Word.
I am a Biblical Christian. That's the only kind of Christian there is in existence.
If one's Christianity is not Biblical, then it is NOT Christianity.
Bottom line.

Now, Go, and sin no more!
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You have reality twisted into oblivion. Every mortal on Earth not taught by these( Matt 24:45) are in the same boat.
 
Keiw1 said:
You have reality twisted into oblivion. Every mortal on Earth not taught by these( Matt 24:45) are in the same boat.
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I see you cannot withstand the Scripture and the things it says on the question at hand.
Instead of answering me you take the cowards way out and show your dishonesty towards God and His Word because it doesn't follow your false teachings and then turn around and accuse me personally.

What a shame. And then you got the balls to still call yourself Christian.
 
jeremiah1five said:
I see you cannot withstand the Scripture and the things it says on the question at hand.
Instead of answering me you take the cowards way out and show your dishonesty towards God and His Word because it doesn't follow your false teachings and then turn around and accuse me personally.

What a shame. And then you got the balls to still call yourself Christian.
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I spoke fact.
 
Keiw1 said:
He wouldn't have needed to be given all authority if he were God, he would have already had it.
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GINOLJC, to ALL.
Listen and understand, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Question who gave him all Power? .... HIMSELF, because he is in a body..... a transfer of POWER. from the Spirit into a BODY. was he NOT GOD before he came in a body to save all humanity from our sin? lets see. Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"

Now think k, He, Jesus came in flesh. now, he who came, JESUS, is he God? let the scriptures answer, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

now keep on THINKING, use your brain. commonsense dictates if the Lord Jesus was made .... "LOWER" .... than the angels, and there are only three entities 1. God, 2. Angels, and 3. Men us humans...... and if the Lord Jesus was made LOWER that the angels, then he had to be HIGHER that the angels in order to be made LOWER than the angels. hello that's commonsense. so, just by simple deduction we see that JESUS is GOD.

KNOWING THIS...... Jesus is the "EQUAL SHARE" of ...... "HIMSELF" in flesh, for there is no other person beside HIM, JESUS that is God. my God K, this is too simple not to understand.

101G.
 
101G said:
GINOLJC, to ALL.
Listen and understand, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Question who gave him all Power? .... HIMSELF, because he is in a body..... a transfer of POWER. from the Spirit into a BODY. was he NOT GOD before he came in a body to save all humanity from our sin? lets see. Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"

Now think k, He, Jesus came in flesh. now, he who came, JESUS, is he God? let the scriptures answer, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

now keep on THINKING, use your brain. commonsense dictates if the Lord Jesus was made .... "LOWER" .... than the angels, and there are only three entities 1. God, 2. Angels, and 3. Men us humans...... and if the Lord Jesus was made LOWER that the angels, then he had to be HIGHER that the angels in order to be made LOWER than the angels. hello that's commonsense. so, just by simple deduction we see that JESUS is GOD.

KNOWING THIS...... Jesus is the "EQUAL SHARE" of ...... "HIMSELF" in flesh, for there is no other person beside HIM, JESUS that is God. my God K, this is too simple not to understand.

101G.
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Stop twisting things, God does not like it.
 

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