civic
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sure He does since He shares the same throne with the Father in heaven and receives the exact same honor, glory, power, praise, adoration and worship by all creation.
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Jesus doesn't share God's exclusive glory
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Runningman
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The Bible doesn't say Jesus is worshipped by all of creation anywhere. Where did you get that one?
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Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”
14The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”
14The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
Runningman
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In the context it says they are only worshipping Him who sits on the throne. That debunks your theory.
All of those creatures are encircling the throne and when they fall down and worship it's before the throne, not before the Lamb.
Revelation 5
11Then I looked, and I heard the voices of many angels encircling the throne, and the living creatures and the elders. And their number was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands. 12In a loud voice they were saying:
“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain,
to receive power and riches
and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and blessing!”
13And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
“To Him who sits on the throne
and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power
forever and ever!”
14And the four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
As I said, no examples of Jesus (the Lamb) sharing God's exclusive glory.
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Runningman
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"He who sits on the throne"
"and to the Lamb"
This shows grammatical distinction between God and Jesus.
civic
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Nope it’s an inclusive statement , one of equality.
Runningman
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Person 1: Him who sits on the throne
and to
Person 2: the Lamb
The Lamb is not called the one who is performing the throne-sitting.
Runningman
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It isn't talking about sharing a throne with the Father, it's talking about sitting on his own throne which is the Father's possession. For example, there are no examples of Jesus sitting on the throne with the Father. The Bible exhaustively says Jesus is sitting at the RIGHT HAND of God.
Refuted by this:
Revelation 3:21
I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Runningman
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The Father gave Jesus a throne and Jesus gives those who overcome a throne. No one sits on the throne of God except the Father. Scripture refutes your claims by repeatedly saying Jesus sits at the right hand of God. No one ever talked about Jesus sitting on the same throne as God. Case closed.
Mark 16:19
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Luke 22:69
“Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.”
Acts 2:33
“Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
Acts 7:55–56
“But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.”
Romans 8:34
“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
Ephesians 1:20
“Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places.”
Colossians 3:1
“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.”
Hebrews 1:3
“Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.”
Hebrews 8:1
“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens.”
Hebrews 10:12
“But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God.”
Hebrews 12:2
“Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.”
1 Peter 3:22
“Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.”
The above is refuted bu this:
Revelation 3:21
I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Runningman
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This isn't Scripture versus Scripture. So you disagree that Jesus is at the right of the throne/right hand of God?
Then stop making like it is.
Runningman
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I quoted a straight wall of verses about Jesus at the right hand of God and your answer was "The above is refuted bu this." In demonstration, Jesus is not sitting on the throne of God anywhere in the Bible. Yes, Rev. 3:21 does say what it says, but it isn't meant to be understood as Jesus literally sitting on his Daddy's lap. Jesus is at the right hand of God. Do you agree?
Which do not contradict Revelation 3:21.
Runningman
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Do you agree that Jesus is at the right hand of God on his own throne?
You are confused.
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