So if God can change your nature to stay, why can't He change your nature to come in the first place?
I will keep asking so the lurkers can see the master dodger in action.
Is open Theism biblical
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So if God can change your nature to stay, why can't He change your nature to come in the first place?
I will keep asking so the lurkers can see the master dodger in action.
You are delusional
The only dodger here is you
God has not chosen to make us robots
He wants us to come of our own free will
Really? But He does not want you to stay of your own free will?
If God can change your nature to stay then why can't He change your nature to come in the first place?
It is our free will to stay according to the nature the regenerate possess
You are going in circles
How is it free will if you cannot choose otherwise?
Why are you free to come but not free to leave?
Why can God change your nature so you will stay but not so you will come?
I could say the same. Your nature is changed, new heart, so you come of your own free will.
You have conceded the Reformed position.
You do, when your nature is changed. LOL
Then why argue he could change the nature of his people evil
No One comes first then receives a new nature
Who said that? Here we go. Tom is debating a ghost
God changes those who first come to him
John 1:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
civic
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Yes after we hear and believe the gospel we are born again/ saved- not before.
Yep Calvinism puts the cart before the horse
He choses not to
as the scriptures you ignore show
God changes those who first come to him
John 1:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
civic
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yep but remember their God has no free will.
But He loves them so much, sacrifices His Son for them yet He allows His Sons sacrifice to be in vain. That's some theology you have there.
Read the scriptureBut He loves them so much, sacrifices His Son for them yet He allows His Sons sacrifice to be in vain. That's some theology you have there.
as the scriptures you ignore show
God changes those who first come to him
John 1:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
and stop trying to form doctrine apart from scripture
