Is open Theism biblical

[Obadiah]

No it is not the idea God is not sovereign

Nor is it even the idea God does not know the future

It's that the future is not a thing as it does not yet exist

From the scriptures we find

God has regrets
He tests to know
He searches the heart to know

these are things God comes to know in time

Ok, but what about things in the bible that God says will happen and 3000 years later they do. God is a spiritual being who transcends all physical limitations. He is infinite and cannot be limited by space or time. The Bible says that God is not limited to time and that He is the one who inhabits eternity. Psalm 90 is a psalm all about time and God’s power over it. It shows that we are subject to time, but God is not.

 

[civic]

No it is not the idea God is not sovereign

Nor is it even the idea God does not know the future

It's that the future is not a thing as it does not yet exist

From the scriptures we find

God has regrets
He tests to know
He searches the heart to know

these are things God comes to know in time

Spot on

 

[TomL]

Spot on

Yes there are many such passages

 

[TomL]

Ok, but what about things in the bible that God says will happen and 3000 years later they do. God is a spiritual being who transcends all physical limitations. He is infinite and cannot be limited by space or time. The Bible says that God is not limited to time and that He is the one who inhabits eternity. Psalm 90 is a psalm all about time and God’s power over it. It shows that we are subject to time, but God is not.

God can determine he will do certain things and by his power he can bring them about

So regarding the future some things are open, some things are closed - i.e. settled

 

[Presby02]

God can determine he will do certain things and by his power he can bring them about

So regarding the future some things are open, some things are closed - i.e. settled

Somethings are open as in God has no idea they will occur? Whoops, didn't see that coming.

 

[TomL]

Somethings are open as in God has no idea they will occur? Whoops, didn't see that coming.

As they have not been settled

Example

1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

 

[Presby02]

As they have not been settled

Example

1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

If it's not settled then the outcome is unknown. Duh

 

[TomL]

If it's not settled then the outcome is unknown. Duh

Well golly gosh you got it

God did not determine your sin

Therefore, it was not a real thing which could be known

 

[Presby02]

Well golly gosh you got it

God did not determine your sin

Therefore, it was not a real thing which could be known

Really? So did Christ love you at the cross since you were not a real thing that could be known?

 

[TomL]

Really? So did Christ love you at the cross since you were not a real thing that could be known?

Dodging again?

The issue is the sin you did not have to commit but

He loved all mankind he did not have to have me in particular in mind or you for that matter

 

[Presby02]

Dodging again?

The issue is the sin you did not have to commit but

He loved all mankind he did not have to have me in particular in mind or you for that matter

So He did not die for you in paticular and since the future is open and He can change His mind maybe He decided not to love all mankind at some point. including you and I

 

[TomL]

So He did not die for you in paticular and since the future is open and He can change His mind maybe He decided not to love all mankind at some point. including you and I

He died for all who would ever be born


Christ died list

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


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Seeing as he does not lie no he would not change his mind

 

[Presby02]

He died for all who would ever be born


Christ died list

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


Exported from Logos Bible Study, 7:34 AM October 4, 2024.

Seeing as he does not lie no he would not change his mind

NOWHERE does it say Christ died for all who would ever be born.

Your lame attempt at topic change duly noted.

May Christ changed His mind and only died for those up to the cross. All your proof texts are in the present tense. After all the future is open

 

[TomL]

NOWHERE does it say Christ died for all who would ever be born.

Your lame attempt at topic change duly noted.

May Christ changed His mind and only died for those up to the cross. All your proof texts are in the present tense. After all the future is open

They do if you open your eyes and believe

He died for all who would ever be born

Christ died list

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


Exported from Logos Bible Study, 7:34 AM October 4, 2024.

Seeing as he does not lie no he would not change his mind

and as you spoke of Christ dying for me noting how Christ died for all men is not a diversion at all

All men would include all men who are ever born

 

[Presby02]

Nowhere does it say Christ died for all who were ever born.

They do if you open your eyes and believe

He died for all who would ever be born




Seeing as he does not lie no he would not change his mind

and as you spoke of Christ dying for me noting how Christ died for all men is not a diversion at all

All men would include all men who are ever born

Changing your mind is not lying. He changes mind based on unforseen circumstamces. He does not know what does not exist yet as you said.

Does it? Prove it. QUESTION BEGGING

 

[TomL]

Nowhere does it say Christ died for all who were ever born.


Changing your mind is not lying. He changes mind based on unforseen circumstamces. He does not know what does not exist yet as you said.

Does it? Prove it. QUESTION BEGGING

Never stated changing your mind is lying

But if there were no change of circumstances then it would be lying

But you just gave it all away

and confessed God has unforeseen circumstances

Hello

You just destroyed your own position

LOL

 

[Presby02]

Never stated changing your mind is lying

But if there were no change of circumstances then it would be lying

But you just gave it all away

and confessed God has unforeseen circumstances

Hello

You just destroyed your own position

LOL

So God can change His mind and in the end not save you. Who knows what the future brings.

Never said God has unforeseen circumstances. You do however. There has to be in your dumb view.

 

[TomL]

So God can change His mind and in the end not save you. Who knows what the future brings.

Never said God has unforeseen circumstances. You do however. There has to be in your dumb view.

Give it up

You refuted yourself stating

Nowhere does it say Christ died for all who were ever born.


Changing your mind is not lying. He changes mind based on unforseen circumstamces. He does not know what does not exist yet as you said.

Does it? Prove it. QUESTION BEGGING

Denying your own words and lying about it are not going to help you
yourself

stating god can have unforsen circumstances

 

[Presby02]

Give it up

You refuted yourself stating


Denying your own words and lying about it are not going to help you
yourself

stating god can have unforsen circumstances

Referencing your view professor.

He can in your theology. The future is open remember? God cannot know what does not exist remember? God can change His mind remember? God can change His mind remember? So maybe He will change His mind and condemn you.

 

[TomL]

Referencing your view professor.

He can in your theology. The future is open remember? God cannot know what does not exist remember? God can change His mind remember? God can change His mind remember? So maybe He will change His mind and condemn you.

Your words


Changing your mind is not lying. He changes mind based on unforseen circumstamces. He does not know what does not exist yet as you said.