In Calvinism Paul is praying against Gods will
- Thread starter civic
- Start date
civic
Well-known member
Romans 9
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith;31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. 32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall,
and the one who believes in him will never be put to shame.”
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith;31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. 32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall,
and the one who believes in him will never be put to shame.”
civic
Well-known member
Romans 11
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
civic
Well-known member
Bingo that would be against Gods will in Calvinism.
But Paul right there is proclaiming the very heart of Christ who gave up His own life for all the world, all sinners.
Rockson
Well-known member
But it's worse than that Civic! Let's see how out of line he gets!
That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Rom 9:1, 3
So who does he think he is wishing for such a thing! If it were meant for him to be saved and on his way to heaven and God wanted the others cursed who is he to want to seek to break the will of God! Seems he needed to read a Calvinist teaching book on accepting the soverirngty of God. Or maybe Calvinists need to throw theirs away?
civic
Well-known member
You are 100% correct.
The Rogue Tomato
Well-known member
civic
Well-known member
Sounds like God has mercy on them all like the text says
The Rogue Tomato
Well-known member
Sounds like God has mercy on them all like the text says
But it's mercy because God has bound everyone over to disobedience. Otherwise it would be merit, not mercy.
TibiasDad
Well-known member
civic
Well-known member
Amen !
The Rogue Tomato
Well-known member
You're saying the same thing, only "prettier". Because God has bound everyone over to disobedience, he is under no obligation to show mercy to anyone.
TibiasDad
Well-known member
God is never under obligation to man, regardless of man’s obedience! Does not God say to Paul, “My Grace is sufficient”? Paul wasn’t bound up in disobedience.
Doug
Bob Carabbio
Well-known member
Just another reason NOT to pay attention to "isms".
civic
Well-known member
Agreed
The Rogue Tomato
Well-known member
That's an entirely different topic.
