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[TomL]

You remain deceived. God has always wanted to save both Jew and Gentile and He did just that.

Isaiah 49:6: He says, "It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also make You a light of the nations so that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth."

Hosea said: "I will call those who were not My people, 'My people', and her who was not beloved, beloved. And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they shall be called sons of the living God." Hosea 2:23 and Hosea 1:10

So you see, jeremiah1five, that you are egregiously wrong and have always been wrong on this forum.

Yep

Some additional verses


Rom 9:24–26us whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? As he also says in Hosea, “I will call those who were not my people, ‘My people,’ and those who were not loved, ‘Loved.’ And it will be in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’ ”

Acts 10:44–48While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who were listening to the message. And those believers from the circumcision who had accompanied Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles, for they heard them speaking in tongues and glorifying God. Then Peter said, “Surely no one can withhold the water for these people to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as we also did!” So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay for several days.

Acts 11:18And when they heard these things, they became silent and praised God, saying, “Then God has granted the repentance leading to life to the Gentiles also!”
Acts 13:46–48Both Paul and Barnabas spoke boldly and said, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you, since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life! Behold, we are turning to the Gentiles! For so the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have appointed you to be a light for the Gentiles, that you would bring salvation to the end of the earth.’ And when the Gentiles heard this, they began to rejoice and to glorify the word of the Lord. And all those who were designated for eternal life believed.

Eph 2:11–13Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, the so-called uncircumcision by the so-called circumcision in the flesh, made by hands, that you were at that time apart from Christ, alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, not having hope, and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you, the ones who once were far away, have become near by the blood of Christ.

Gal 3:14in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Rom 11:11–12I say then, they did not stumble so that they fell, did they? May it never be! But by their trespass, salvation has come to the Gentiles, in order to provoke them to jealousy. And if their trespass means riches for the world and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fullness mean?

 

[TomL]

You remain deceived. God has always wanted to save both Jew and Gentile and He did just that.

He goes by a prayer in John 17 while ignoring a follow-up prayer some verses later.

John 17:9 (LEB) — 9 I am asking on behalf of them. I am not asking on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those whom you have given me, because they are yours,


John 17:20–23 (LEB) — 20 “And I do not ask on behalf of these only, but also on behalf of those who believe in me through their word, 21 that they all may be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, that they also may be in us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 And the glory that you have given to me, I have given to them, in order that they may be one, just as we are one—23 I in them, and you in me, in order that they may be completed in one, so that the world may know that you sent me, and you have loved them just as you have loved me.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Have you not read

John 17:20–23 (LEB) — 20 “And I do not ask on behalf of these only, but also on behalf of those who believe in me through their word, 21 that they all may be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, that they also may be in us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 And the glory that you have given to me, I have given to them, in order that they may be one, just as we are one—23 I in them, and you in me, in order that they may be completed in one, so that the world may know that you sent me, and you have loved them just as you have loved me.

This has been posted previously,, but it also should have been read as a part of the context.

Christ had asked concerning the world.

Jesus was sent to Israel.
John the Baptist said Jesus was sent to Israel.
Jesus sent His disciples to Israel.
Jesus sent His disciples to Israel living in Gentile lands to herald to them this one message: God has kept His promise.
Those Jesus said to His disciples who would believe at their word is Israel, the Jews.

Jesus was never promised to Gentiles.
John the Baptist never baptized Gentiles in preparation of Jesus.
The disciples were not sent to Gentiles but to Jews living in Gentile lands.
The first born-again Christians (Christ followers) were Jews, three thousand in one day, and thousands being born-again every day after that.
Jesus was prophesied/promised to the children of Israel and who would be born from among the children of Israel and Jesus was never promised to Gentiles.
Jesus came and lived a Jewish life, and when it came time to begin His ministry taught Jews from the Law and the Prophets.
The people that would flock to Jesus were Jews not Gentiles.
Jesus came as promised under the Law, taught the Law to Jews, and His sacrifice - just like Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac - was to and for the children of Israel.
Jesus Himself said He came to fulfill the Law.
The Law never taught Jews that the animal sacrifices were for Gentiles, they were self-contained and wholly contained to redeem and atone the children of Israel.
When Jesus was about to offer Himself on the cross and fulfill the Law - which sacrifices were never for Gentiles - Jesus died for the children of Israel in covenant with God.
Jesus sent Saul in Acts 13 to the Gentiles because that's where the Diaspora/Exiled Jews lived. After that, Saul went specifically to Jews of mixed ancestry whom the Jews of the twelve tribes identified as "Gentiles" because they might as well be Gentiles being Jews who grew up as Gentiles in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture.
The word "heathen" from the Greek "hellens" always referred to Jews of Greek culture and never of Gentiles in the first century.
Jesus - like the animal that was sacrificed to atone for the sins of Israel - died to atone under the Law for the sins of the children of Israel.

And I can share more of a Hebrew-centric Messiah who was promised to Israel, came to Israel, died for Israel, and resurrected in order to complete God's plan, purpose, and promise to deliver Israel from all her enemies with sin being their most destructive enemy and whom God destroyed through the sacrifice of Jesus to and for Israel.

With all these things above that are clearly Bible you're going to tell me God and Jesus are going to violate the Law and that Jesus died for Gentiles and that Saul's words above in your passages actually refer to non-Hebrew Gentiles?
A mixed heritage Hebrew is still Abraham's seed and heir according to the promise.
But nowhere in Scripture did God ever promise to send a Deliverer to save Gentiles. It was Gentiles who were the enemies of Israel and the second most destructive enemy of Israel after sin.

Show me again where in the Old Testament where God promised to save Gentiles? Jesus lived as a Jew, died as a servant, and was resurrected as King of Israel.
I must've been absent for that lesson where God made covenant with Gentiles. Where was that Scripture again?

 

[jeremiah1five]

100% True = and when a Gentile comes to Christ, that Gentile becomes a member of the True Israel of God.

Christ was promised to Israel and to Israel He came, fulfilling the Law and dying for the children of Israel under the Law to save those under the Law.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians 4:3–5.

Under the Law the animal sacrifices were to atone for the children of Israel in covenant with God.
Jesus Christ came under the Law to redeem those under the Law because in fulfilling the Law - like the animal sacrifices - Jesus died to redeem those under the Law, the children of Israel.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You remain deceived. God has always wanted to save both Jew and Gentile and He did just that.

Isaiah 49:6: He says, "It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also make You a light of the nations so that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth."

Hosea said: "I will call those who were not My people, 'My people', and her who was not beloved, beloved. And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they shall be called sons of the living God." Hosea 2:23 and Hosea 1:10

Moses said, "I will make you jealous by that which is not a nation, by a nation without understanding will I anger you." And Isaiah is very bold and says, "I was found by those who did not seek Me, I became manifest to those who did not ask for Me. But as for Israel He says, 'All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people." Romans 10:19-21

So you see, jeremiah1five, that you are egregiously wrong and have always been wrong on this forum.

Israel was promised a King. Jesus is that King.
He is not King of Gentiles; He is King of the Jews as it stated on His cross.

Fulfilling the Law means that the animal sacrifices that were offered to atone the sins of Israel, Jesus was sent to atone the sins of Israel.

To teach Jesus died for Gentiles is to teach God and Jesus violated the Law and offered Jesus as sacrifice for a people never under the Law and for whom the animal sacrifices never atoned.

Under the Law the blood of the sacrificed animal was sprinkled upon the children of Israel - NEVER upon Gentiles.
To teach Jesus died for Gentiles is to misunderstand the animal sacrificial system God instituted for His people the Jews and to misapply it to an unholy, profane, non-covenant, uncircumcised, idol-worshiping, non-Hebrew Gentiles.
The animal sacrifice was never used to atone Gentiles; it was to atone the sins of the children of Israel.