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because Gid didnt say it or write it.
the kjv is not His.
Genesis chapter 1 and 2, sons of God Born in the Garden
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Psalms 12:6 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times." Psalms 12:7 "Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Psalms 12:8 "The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted."
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Now, back to the topic at Hand.
Who are the sons of God in Genesis 6. 101G revelation is they are the children Adam and Eve had while in the Garden "BEFORE" the Fall into sin.
To understand who they, (the son of God are, and who The Nephilim/Giants were, one need to understand their origins, and where their place was, A. before the flood, and B. after the flood in the scriptures. The scriptures that reveal it all for us before and after the flood is Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”.
The key phrase in the verse is, “the same, (giants), became mighty men”. BINGO, there is our first step in identifying who these Giants/Nephilim are. these giants/Nephilim became know as "MIGHTY MEN". knowing that, let's zero in on "MIGHTY MEN". the definition, Mighty Men: H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj, here mean, גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant. [intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
The KJV can translate the Nephilim, the Giants also as a man, but notice “MIGHTY MAN, or strong (man), valiant man”, but never the less a "man"
Understand, our term Giant/Nephilim identifies what we’re looking for in this topic setting in two types of mighty men A. “Mighty Men” in valor. B. Mighty Men in Stature. So our first clue tells us to look for “ mighty men” in the bible, either of A. in valor. B. in Stature/Height.
Now, before the flood, we said that the sons of God who had these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” was ordinary men and women, AND NOT OF ANGELS AND HUMAN DESENT. We will prove this by revealing who these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” are after the flood and then we can understand who they are before the flood and see that they had ordinary human fathers and mothers......... no angelic intervention.
We will look at the two types of Nephilim, according to the bible. the Giants, men in stature and the Mighty Men in valor, whom all had Ordinary parents. Nothing supernatural here.
Type I. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.
Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”
to be continued.
101G.
Who are the sons of God in Genesis 6. 101G revelation is they are the children Adam and Eve had while in the Garden "BEFORE" the Fall into sin.
To understand who they, (the son of God are, and who The Nephilim/Giants were, one need to understand their origins, and where their place was, A. before the flood, and B. after the flood in the scriptures. The scriptures that reveal it all for us before and after the flood is Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”.
The key phrase in the verse is, “the same, (giants), became mighty men”. BINGO, there is our first step in identifying who these Giants/Nephilim are. these giants/Nephilim became know as "MIGHTY MEN". knowing that, let's zero in on "MIGHTY MEN". the definition, Mighty Men: H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj, here mean, גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant. [intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
The KJV can translate the Nephilim, the Giants also as a man, but notice “MIGHTY MAN, or strong (man), valiant man”, but never the less a "man"
Understand, our term Giant/Nephilim identifies what we’re looking for in this topic setting in two types of mighty men A. “Mighty Men” in valor. B. Mighty Men in Stature. So our first clue tells us to look for “ mighty men” in the bible, either of A. in valor. B. in Stature/Height.
Now, before the flood, we said that the sons of God who had these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” was ordinary men and women, AND NOT OF ANGELS AND HUMAN DESENT. We will prove this by revealing who these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” are after the flood and then we can understand who they are before the flood and see that they had ordinary human fathers and mothers......... no angelic intervention.
We will look at the two types of Nephilim, according to the bible. the Giants, men in stature and the Mighty Men in valor, whom all had Ordinary parents. Nothing supernatural here.
MIGHTY MEN
Type I. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.
Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”
to be continued.
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Type 1. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.
Follow the bible. as stated above the Nephilim/giants are the Mighty men. a "Mighty Man" known as a Nephilim does not always mean in "height" ........ only, but we’re going to look at that also. it can mean a STRONG MAN, a VALIANT MAN, or a WARRIOR in battle. again, let's look at the definition again to be sure. the definition, Mighty Men: H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj, here mean, גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant. [intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
My source for this definition is from, Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.
let's find these “mighty men”/Nephilim and trace them back to their origins. do not let the term Nephilim stick in your head as GIANTS in stature ONLY. The tradition of men has planted this notion in men heads that Nephilim are only giants, but the bible is clear. as our apostle said, leave those old wives, and fairy tales behind, and re-new your mind in the knowledge of Christ.
king David, and some of his men was identified as MIGHTY MEN who killed a lot of other men. Let’s catalogue David's mighty men. In 2 Samuel 23:8 read through to the end of the chapter. Two things to notice in 2 Samuel 23. in verse 8 we have the term “Mighty Men” which is the same term used in Genesis 6,2. Samuel 23:8 "These be the names of the mighty men whom David had: The Tachmonite that sat in the seat, chief among the captains; the same was Adino the Eznite: he lift up his spear against eight hundred, whom he slew at one time." 2 Samuel 23:9 "And after him was Eleazar the son of Dodo the Ahohite, one of the three mighty men with David, when they defied the Philistines that were there gathered together to battle, and the men of Israel were gone away:"
Mighty men here is the exact same word used in Genesis 6 for giants/Nephilim. also notice 2 Samuel 23:18 "And Abishai, the brother of Joab, the son of Zeruiah, was chief among three. And he lifted up his spear against three hundred, and slew them, and had the name among three.
Here, the "NAME" is the Hebrew word, H8034 שֵׁם shem (shame) n-m.
1. an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality.
2. (by implication) honor, authority, character.
[a primitive word (perhaps rather from H7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position)]
KJV: + base, (in-)fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.
Root(s): H7760
did one see how it could be translated in the KJV? ..... "renown" just as in Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown".
there it is "renown" and theses men, these “mighty men” had a reputation of being KILLERS of other men. Because another word for “RENOWN” is reputation. Meaning, The condition of being known or talked about by many people. They had reputation of being killers of men, as David was. 1 Samuel 29:5 & 6 "Is not this David, of whom they sang one to another in dances, saying, Saul slew his thousands, and David his ten thousands?". See these men killed, or was killer, or as the definition define them as “Warriors”. That’s why the Lord said in Genesis 6:5 & 6 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." 6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." there was lots of violence, killing, spilling of blood in the Land, hence the flood. (foot note, in Genesis 4:14-16, this is why Cain got a Mark upon him, to preserve his Life from being taken). but notice these mighty men of David had HUMAN PARENTS, no angels in involved. In today’s language these men would be recognized as modern day mercenary for their great valor in fighting on the battlefield. So clearly the bible tells us that this type of Mighty Men/Nephilim is associated with violence, the spilling of blood in the land, killers. And David was a MIGHTY MAN himself as noted, 1 Samuel 16:18 "Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him." and David had human parents. So now we’re going to look at these type II “Mighty men” who are tall in stature, known as GIANTS, and who also have human origins.
this type of Mighty Men/Nephilim is associated with "HEIGHT", which many a Christian have fallen for the lie that these children are a product of angels, (sons of God, Genesis 6), and human women. we aim to put to rest that LIE from the devil.
to be continued.
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Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”
As previously stated, Nephilim do not mean ONLY “Giants” in stature, not only, but here we will examine the Nephilim in stature, yes Giants, as in height. again, we’ll look after the flood and see these giants and where they came from. and they all came from the same source, ordinary human men and women, in this case, post flood, Noah and his sons. We will start with one of the best know giants in the bible, Goliath, the Philistine of Gath.Let's start with Noah sons. Genesis 9:18 & 19 "And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. 19 "These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread”. Knowing this, the only people to exist on the entire planet, after the flood, came from these three sons of Noah. no giants came from any other unions but of human men and women, this is bible.
Now, Goliath, the Philistine of Gath.
1 Samuel 17:23 "And as he talked with them, behold, there came up the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, out of the armies of the Philistines, and spake according to the same words: and David heard them”. Here the scriptures say that Goliath was a Philistine. And Goliath himself tells us that he is a Philistine. 1 Samuel 17:8 "And he stood and cried unto the armies of Israel, and said unto them, Why are ye come out to set your battle in array? am not I a Philistine, and ye servants to Saul? choose you a man for you, and let him come down to me”. We know without a doubt that Goliath of Gath is a Philistine.
Now the question comes, where did the Philistine come from? Answer, let’s look at the genealogy of Noah sons and trace back to Goliath of Gath who is a Philistine. Genesis 10:6 "And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan”.
One of Ham’s sons were Mizraim. Let’s look at Mizraim sons. Genesis 10:13 "And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim”. As we can see Mizraim had a son name Casluhim which out of him came a people called Philistim.
This is the same exact genealogy out of 1 Chronicles 1:12. Let’s compare them
1 Chronicles 1:12 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (of whom came the Philistines,) and Caphthorim”.
Genesis 10:14 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim”.
Perfect match, so we know that Philistim in Genesis 10:14 is the Philistines in 1 Chronicles 1:12. Knowing this, the Philistines came from HAM, one of Noah sons, who had Mizraim, who had Casluhim.
So this Giant Goliath came from ordinary men and women NOT FROM ANY ANGELIC UNION WITH HUMAN WOMAN. This Genesis 6 myth is coming apart. now, in the book of Numbers 13:33 "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight".
Here we see giants in stature/height the term "Giants"/nephilim is associated with the sons of Anak which can be trace back to HAM. a son of Noah. And if one study the bible these so called Giants was just tall men. For Goliath was around 9ft. And 6 inches. 1 Samuel 17:4 "And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span."
Doing the math, a cubits is roughly 18 inches, and a span = roughly 9 inches Let’s add up Goliath height to be sure. He was six cubits and a span.
1 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
2 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
3 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
4 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
5 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
6 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
That’s a total of 6ft and 36 inches. 36 inches is 3 feet. that makes Goliath 9ft tall. But now we need to add the span which is roughly 9 inches, which means the Philistine of Gath, Goliath, was over 9 and a half feet tall. Well the tallest man in modern times was Robert Wadlow who stood in at 8ft and 11 inches, just about 9 feet. If one would look at some of his pictures next to ordinary people you will see why he is called a giant. Goliath would have had only a few inches on him.
These giants through out the bible is just extra tall men and women. If one just take their time and add up some of these heights one will find that they was just extraordinary tall men, who had the condition in humans called “gigantism”. as was with the famous wrestler Andre the giant.
So get that Gulliver travels myth out of your head. These was just extra tall men who had ordinary parents who was human.
Only Noah, and his family was the only people left on the planet at this time. if any giants came on the earth then it came through them, (Noah sons and their wives).
The Goliath Tree.
HAM
Mizraim
Casluhim
Philistim
Let’s look at another known giant by name, Og king of Bashan. Deuteronomy 4:47 "And they possessed his land, and the land of Og king of Bashan, two kings of the Amorites, which were on this side Jordan toward the sunrising”.
Many Christians believe in giants, as in stature. But the biggest, or tallest giant or giants in the bible range from 7 feet to approx. 14 feet. We today have people in this range. One of the most tallest giants mention in the bible king Og was 12 to 13 plus feet tall. And one of the most famous giants in the bible Goliath of Gath was around 9 feet tall.
There is a gene that people carry that make ordinary people tall in stature. Not any angelic corruption of any human gene pool, no, but human to human over time Genetic disorder. Follow this genetic trace. I'm going with scripture. the scriptures indicate that the giants of Genesis 6:4 suppose to have died out in the flood, and afterward, again angelic beings supposed to have impregnate human woman again, ...... that's according to some. the Flood that God sent, it was to destroy "all flesh" upon the earth (7 verse 21), Since these giants were simply a natural, genetic variation of human beings, they died along with the rest of the earth's population. The only humans to escape were Noah and his family. Since Noah was of a stock of smaller people, most of his descendants were of his stature. However, some of the genes that produce giants survived through the wife of Ham, one of Noah's sons. Therefore, a number of the sons of Canaan (one of Ham's sons) were giants. Look at Numbers 13:1-2, 32-33. but now in Deuteronomy 2:19-21, Moses records that God destroyed the giants who dwelt in Ammon so that the children of Lot could possess the land. Those giants who apparently descended from Canaan through a man named Anak eventually became extinct. King Og of Bashan was the last of them to inhabit Palestine east of Jordan, Deuteronomy 3:3-11. Notice this. "And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. I have alway wondered why women and children were to be destroyed, not just killed. but utterly destroyed. it seem like no genes are to be passed on, either by the husband/male, or the wife/female. Both before and after the Flood, God was directly involved in the destruction of those giant men, in statue. The reason for their destruction is not stated directly, only with this scripture, Genesis 6:5 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually”. evil continually, that’s the key. Notice verse 4. “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, (the genes was passed on by men or women), when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”. sons of God was before and after the flood. Nowhere in the bible, after the flood, was mention angels coming into women. Only do we find giants coming from Ham and his wife line. but like Goliath, those men seemed always to be in opposition to God and to his people Israel. and I notice that all who were giants seems to be males, no females?, if so just not mention?
listen up. don't get the term GIANT mixed up with height. understand king David was a mighty man. he had a reputation, "RENOWN" a NAME for his warrior skills. Samuel 18:6 "And it came to pass as they came, when David was returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, that the women came out of all cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meet king Saul, with tabrets, with joy, and with instruments of musick.1 Samuel 18:7 "And the women answered one another as they played, and said, Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands.
see, the word H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj. don't always means stature in height, no
גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful.
2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.
[intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
just a regular man in height, but a powerful warrior, as king David was. so don't let your imagination run wild on height.
Maybe many didn't hear, because many didn't read. Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown".
and Mighty Men is translated right in the verse, H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj.
גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful.
2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.
[intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
the KJV can translaty this word "Mighty Man" as Champion, (see above) and who is one of the bibles well know Champion who was a giant? let the bible speak. 1 Samuel 17:4 "And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span". and six cubit an a span Goliath was only 9 feet and 9 inches tall.
Genesis 6 said these Nephilim/Giants H5307 נָפַל naphal "BECAME" known as "Mighty Men", H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj.
גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful.
2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.
it's all there in the SAME verse.
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e v e
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His words are preserved but the bible today is mixed with leaven. Translate again.
It's esau's kjv. Not God's.
101G
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get the unleavener, the Holy Ghost. for he will GUIDE us in all truth, do you believe this?,
see above
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GeneZ
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The temptation did not originate from within themselves like it does with our fallen nature..
They needed an externalized sin nature. One that was provided by Satan in the serpent..
Satan acted as a sin nature by proxy.
Rockson
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I've always found this interesting,
“The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature. There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.” Num 13:32
So interesting to note it just wasn't one large tall person a (giant) which we might say was a genetic anomaly but it seems a whole tribe of them . They were a people of great stature and they said they felt like grasshoppers in their sight. So it would be interesting to know what the population of these individuals were. .
It was enough to make the spies of Israel feel afraid to go into the land (except Caleb and Joshua) I don't think we could call these ones merely trained in war but it does speak of their physical heights.(they felt like grasshoppers beside them) So I'm curious what the OP writers thinks of the Num 13:32 verse?
“The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature. There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.” Num 13:32
So interesting to note it just wasn't one large tall person a (giant) which we might say was a genetic anomaly but it seems a whole tribe of them . They were a people of great stature and they said they felt like grasshoppers in their sight. So it would be interesting to know what the population of these individuals were. .
It was enough to make the spies of Israel feel afraid to go into the land (except Caleb and Joshua) I don't think we could call these ones merely trained in war but it does speak of their physical heights.(they felt like grasshoppers beside them) So I'm curious what the OP writers thinks of the Num 13:32 verse?
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'Unto the woman He said,
I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;
and thy desire shall be to thy husband,
and he shall rule over thee.'
(Gen 3:16)
Hello 101G,
That is an assumption, and not a fact, and therefore should not be used as the basis upon which to formulate an understanding. or upon which to answer the questions you have raised (A, B & C).
The Lord has told us what we need to know concerning the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the work of redemption that unfolds in what follows. What He has not told us, we should leave with Him, or risk falling into error.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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that's the "Spirit" he will Guide us in .... ALL TRUTHS.
God feminine Spirit ... as you say, is feminine in "FUNCTION" only.
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no assumptions, if I quoted scripture wrong, please point it out. that's all 101G is asking.Hello @101G,
You are assuming a great deal in regard to Genesis 3:16. I don't need to elaborate, for it is all in your OP, and subsequent posts.
an assessment for Christians must be bible based. an assumption is personal Based. and 101G ... believe what he posted is BIBLE BASED.
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ok, let's examine Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
let's zero in on "GREATLY MULTIPY." it is a scientific fact one cannot INCREASE, or MULTIPLY anything from nothing. example. if 101G was sitting in a car/Vehicle, 101G cannot INCREASE/MULTIPLY his speed unless he is already in motion. if one is at rest, zero motion, one cannot .... "INCREASE/MULTIPLY" .... Zero, or no Speed. understand. one must first be in motion.
as here, how can God "INCREASE/MULTIPLY" future pregnancy with pain, unless there is few pregnancy with little or few pain.
if this assessment is incorrect please point it out.
101G.
let's zero in on "GREATLY MULTIPY." it is a scientific fact one cannot INCREASE, or MULTIPLY anything from nothing. example. if 101G was sitting in a car/Vehicle, 101G cannot INCREASE/MULTIPLY his speed unless he is already in motion. if one is at rest, zero motion, one cannot .... "INCREASE/MULTIPLY" .... Zero, or no Speed. understand. one must first be in motion.
as here, how can God "INCREASE/MULTIPLY" future pregnancy with pain, unless there is few pregnancy with little or few pain.
if this assessment is incorrect please point it out.
101G.
101G
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to all,
as said, NOT on assumptions but on Bible Scripture, FACTS, Adam and Eve had children in the Garden, before they had Cain and Able "OUTSIDE" the Garden in SIN. these are the TWO lines from ADAM.
and knowing this fact that the Adam's had children in the Garden, it answers "Who are the sons of God in chapter 6 of Genesis. as well as who was these other people beside Cain, Able, and Adam and Eve who might slay Cain if they found out that he had killed his brother? as well as who a where did Cain get his wife from". all these questions can be answered by KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING that Adam and Eve had children in the Garden, with little or no pain, (because there was no sin yet), before having Cain and Able outside the Garden, (with pain in pregnancy).
101G.
as said, NOT on assumptions but on Bible Scripture, FACTS, Adam and Eve had children in the Garden, before they had Cain and Able "OUTSIDE" the Garden in SIN. these are the TWO lines from ADAM.
and knowing this fact that the Adam's had children in the Garden, it answers "Who are the sons of God in chapter 6 of Genesis. as well as who was these other people beside Cain, Able, and Adam and Eve who might slay Cain if they found out that he had killed his brother? as well as who a where did Cain get his wife from". all these questions can be answered by KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING that Adam and Eve had children in the Garden, with little or no pain, (because there was no sin yet), before having Cain and Able outside the Garden, (with pain in pregnancy).
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Bob Carabbio
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And when you KNOW it can't get more ridiculous - it does.
GeneZ
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Well, sorry Bob.... I don't speak in tongues.
Someone is going to have to interpret my English for you.
101G
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To all,
The sons of God at Genesis 6 are not fallen angels. no, they are human as said from Adam and Eve in the Garden. Many who believe in the false book of Enoch carry on the LIE presented unto them. "fallen" angels fathered offspring from human women.
Let’s prove this "Lie" out, John 1:11 "He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God”. so are believers' angels? no, of course not. we are human creatures.
most Christian, NOT ALL, who hold the idea of angels as sons, they used Job 1:6, 2:1 and 38:7. Let’s take their scriptures and prove out this ERROR. before we do this let's right up front tell you who the sons of God are in Jobe 38:7 first. they are a. the actual stars in heaven and the Sun and the Moon. as 1 Thessalonians 5:21 states, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
let do just that.
Step A. Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" . as said the Morning stars are the actual stars in the heavens, and the sons of God is actual sun and the moon. Here in Job 38 God almighty are using metaphors. KEEP THAT IN MIND. now let's see it in truth.
Let’s go to the book of James. Follow and understand. James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning”. The almighty is called the “Father” of lights, and lights here is plural, and is the Greek word, G5457 φῶς phos (fōs') n. which means luminousness. Now hold that thought and go to Thayer's Greek Definitions and or the blue letter bible, look up G3962 πατήρ pater, (Father)
- Transliteration: Pater
- Phonetic: pat-ayr'
- Definition:
1. generator or male ancestor
a. either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents.
THIS IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK WHEN THEY HEAR THE WORD “FATHER”.
but we are interested in the 3rd definition, and here it is, listen.
3. God is called the Father
a. of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler
God is the Father of the “STARS”, and the heavenly luminaries. Yes, the literal stars in the sky. google the word stars, please add the “s” to the end of stars, for Job said, morning “stars” not morning “star”. A star is a luminous sphere of plasma held together by its own gravity. The nearest star to Earth is the Sun. Many other stars are visible to the naked eye from Earth during the night, appearing as a multitude of fixed luminous points in the sky due to their immense distance from Earth. Again, the stars are the actual stars in the heavens. Now, go to dictionary.com, or the free dictionary, or any dictionary and look up luminaries in the plural a celestial body, as the sun or moon. Now let’s see this sun and moon and the actual stars and what they did in Job 38:7. Remember the Almighty said that they sang and shouted for joy. Let’s see this metaphor clearly. Psalms 148:1 "Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights. Verse 2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. 3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. 4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. 5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created”. Now what do the word praise mean here? It is the Hebrew word, H1984 הָלַל halal (haw-lal') v. which can be translated as “sing”, or “shine”. understand, the stars, the sun and the moon sang or praised God by shining their lights, meaning the first light/ or Moring light. One more, Psalms 65:13 "The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn; they shout for joy, they also sing”. The pastures, and valleys also praising God? Yes, how? by shouting for joy and singing. It’s all a metaphor, for the harvest here is in abundant . Do we now understand. but go back to verse 2 "2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. 3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light." here the angels are separate from the stars of light/morning stars, and the sons of God which are the sun and the moon. this takes care of Job 38, next time Job 1:6, and 2:1.
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The sons of God at Genesis 6 are not fallen angels. no, they are human as said from Adam and Eve in the Garden. Many who believe in the false book of Enoch carry on the LIE presented unto them. "fallen" angels fathered offspring from human women.
Let’s prove this "Lie" out, John 1:11 "He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God”. so are believers' angels? no, of course not. we are human creatures.
most Christian, NOT ALL, who hold the idea of angels as sons, they used Job 1:6, 2:1 and 38:7. Let’s take their scriptures and prove out this ERROR. before we do this let's right up front tell you who the sons of God are in Jobe 38:7 first. they are a. the actual stars in heaven and the Sun and the Moon. as 1 Thessalonians 5:21 states, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
let do just that.
Step A. Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" . as said the Morning stars are the actual stars in the heavens, and the sons of God is actual sun and the moon. Here in Job 38 God almighty are using metaphors. KEEP THAT IN MIND. now let's see it in truth.
Let’s go to the book of James. Follow and understand. James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning”. The almighty is called the “Father” of lights, and lights here is plural, and is the Greek word, G5457 φῶς phos (fōs') n. which means luminousness. Now hold that thought and go to Thayer's Greek Definitions and or the blue letter bible, look up G3962 πατήρ pater, (Father)
- Transliteration: Pater
- Phonetic: pat-ayr'
- Definition:
1. generator or male ancestor
a. either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents.
THIS IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK WHEN THEY HEAR THE WORD “FATHER”.
but we are interested in the 3rd definition, and here it is, listen.
3. God is called the Father
a. of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler
God is the Father of the “STARS”, and the heavenly luminaries. Yes, the literal stars in the sky. google the word stars, please add the “s” to the end of stars, for Job said, morning “stars” not morning “star”. A star is a luminous sphere of plasma held together by its own gravity. The nearest star to Earth is the Sun. Many other stars are visible to the naked eye from Earth during the night, appearing as a multitude of fixed luminous points in the sky due to their immense distance from Earth. Again, the stars are the actual stars in the heavens. Now, go to dictionary.com, or the free dictionary, or any dictionary and look up luminaries in the plural a celestial body, as the sun or moon. Now let’s see this sun and moon and the actual stars and what they did in Job 38:7. Remember the Almighty said that they sang and shouted for joy. Let’s see this metaphor clearly. Psalms 148:1 "Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights. Verse 2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. 3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. 4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. 5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created”. Now what do the word praise mean here? It is the Hebrew word, H1984 הָלַל halal (haw-lal') v. which can be translated as “sing”, or “shine”. understand, the stars, the sun and the moon sang or praised God by shining their lights, meaning the first light/ or Moring light. One more, Psalms 65:13 "The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn; they shout for joy, they also sing”. The pastures, and valleys also praising God? Yes, how? by shouting for joy and singing. It’s all a metaphor, for the harvest here is in abundant . Do we now understand. but go back to verse 2 "2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. 3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light." here the angels are separate from the stars of light/morning stars, and the sons of God which are the sun and the moon. this takes care of Job 38, next time Job 1:6, and 2:1.
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