Genesis chapter 1 and 2, sons of God Born in the Garden

101G

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Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

This one verse holds a lot of information. Eve was having Children while in the Garden, (BEFORE the FALL into SIN). which answers the question A. "Who are the sons of in chapter 6, and B. it answers the question "Where and who did Cain find a wife". as well as C. to all those who would kill cain if they found out what had did, (killed his brother).

all those questions answered in this one verse.


PICJAG, 101G.
 
It doesn't say she had children before the fall.
well let's check the Record. Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

#1. the term multiply: it simply means to INCREASE. and here the INCREASE is connected to "sorrow" and "conception".

so what is the Hebrew word for sorrow is H6093 עִצָּבוֹן `itstsabown (its-tsaw-ɓone') n-m.
worrisomeness, i.e. labor or pain.
KJV: sorrow, toil.

and the Hebrew word for conception is, H2032 הֵרוֹן herown (hay-rone') n-m.
הֵרָיוֹן herayown (hay-raw-yone')
pregnancy.
[from H2029]
KJV: conception.

Understand, one cannot multiply, or increase something unless it hasn’t already happened. this is a scientific fact. example, if I was sitting in a vehicle, or a car for instance, I cannot increase, or multiply my speed in the car unless I'm already in motion. likewise, one cannot increase sorrow, (labor or pain), unless it has already happened. this verse show us that the woman Eve already had conception, (pregnancy, with little on no labor or pain), and therefore children from these conceptions. and now because of the disobedience, these LABOR PAINS are increased.

so Eve had children in the Garden, BEFORE THE FALL INTO SIN.

There's no such thing as "Fallen nature" - there's just "Human Nature".
ERROR, before the Fall, Adam did not have BLOOD. and Natural Blood is the LIFE of NATURAL HUMAN FLESH. supportive scripture, Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

so, Adam and Eve did not have NATURAL HUMAN LIFE IN the Garden.

Also, Genesis 3:20 "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living”. notice the language used here again. the personal name Eve itself lets us know that she had children in the garden. for the woman was given the name Eve for a reason. Names have meaning in the bible. Here, it means she “was” the "MOTHER" of all LIVING, (kjv). “was” is a past tense designation, meaning she “was” a mother already at the time she acquired the personal name. This is why she got the name in the first place to identify who she was, “the mother of all living”. that just told us something about all of her children that are to come now in sin. all her children before she sinned “WAS” alive to God, both physically and Spiritually. now onward, (from the fall), all her children are in sin, meaning they are dead spiritually speaking to God, and decaying, or dying in this WORLD. This is the reason why we, of Adam "FALLEN" line must be, have to be, BORN again. the Lord Jesus explains this in John chapter 3 to a man named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews likewise no one calls anyone mother unless they have living or had living children before.

The name EVE by itself tells us that she HAD children already, (in the Garden before the Fall). and on top of that she was the mother of ALL LIVING, (which eliminates any other race of people outside of her and Adam). why say all living? because all the children she had before the fall into sin was alive spiritually and naturally unto God. Now a few revelations. by having children in the garden before the fall, one can now understand who those other people that Cain was afraid of, (read chapter 4 on his exile from the Garden. they were his spiritually alive, naturally alive, but now decaying kinfolk. in our modern language. This is why some in the fallen line progress many years in decaying. now the question is, how long was it that Adam and Eve was having children in the garden before the fall. and how many GENERATIONS of offspring was born before Cain and Able came alone in the fallen state, outside the Garden? only God knows. It could have been hundreds, thousand, or even millions of years. Having children in the garden. also this answers the pre-Adamic error, as well as the sons of God in chapter 6.

Please note, there are two lines from Adam, the none fallen line, the sons of God who are Spiritually alive to God, (meaning that still have the Spirit, but because of Adam sin, now decaying also, and with blood), and these are mistaken with the fallen angles of Genesis 6, which is a Major ERROR. And the fallen line, “US”, who are, or was Spiritually dead to God until he came in our likeness, and redeemed us from sin and death. yes, the bible was written to us the fallen line in Adam, this is why we must be in Christ line, the Second or Last Adam, with eternal life, (NO DECAY or entropy). there is no more NATURAL death, nor broken “FELLOWSHIP” in Christ Jesus. why because of G.R.A.C.E as a poster made clear,,,,, (smile).

so Adam and Eve had children in the Garden because the Command was to Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

PICJAG, 101G.
 
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So why did Eve, and then Adam in their "pre-sin nature" condition follow exactly the temptation sequence in James 1:14,15???

They supposedly didn't have a "Sin nature", but fell to temptation in exactly the way we do. Seems that nothing changed at all. What's your workaround??
why do you think they was in the Garden in the first place, to be on GUARD/to Learn. Adam and Eve was just like anyone else, innocence, and was tempted just like every Man, but sinned. now this. lets see our example. Hebrews 4:15 "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."

well Adam and Eve was the First, they didn't have a history to go on or LEARN FROM. so the James 1:14,15 would not doly apply to the first ones. even before and after James 1:14,15, even now YOU and I still fail the James 1:14,15 test.

PICJAG, 101G.
 
It doesn't say she had children before the fall.

They would have bypassed the fallen nature.
the Fallen Nature is a Fact. notice when God made Eve the woman. scripture, Genesis 2:21 "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;" Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man." Genesis 2:23 "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

WHAT IS MISSING? ANSWER, "BLOOD". where is BLOOD of my BLOOD? was she not taken out of Man? well blood is a temporary LIFE.

101G.
 
yes.

pray He returns now..
by tomorrow.


Please our Majesty get us!
'The Lord is not slack concerning His promise,
as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward,
not willing that any should perish,
but that all should come to repentance.'

(2 Pet. 3:9)

Praise God!
 
So why did Eve, and then Adam in their "pre-sin nature" condition follow exactly the temptation sequence in James 1:14,15???

They supposedly didn't have a "Sin nature", but fell to temptation in exactly the way we do. Seems that nothing changed at all. What's your workaround??
Good question Bob. That makes us ask the question though what is a nature and EXACTLY what force does it have? Does it mean one can't override at all what one is prone to do or not do? Some might think that but I don't think could really prove that. We now who are in Christ are born again, we've become a partaker of the divine nature 2 Pt 1:4 with our spirits having been regenerated and it says sin shall not have dominion over us.

We KNOW that doesn't mean we can't sin .... we do. So how is it possible that we can actually commit sin? I think it works this way. When we sin we're doing something which doesn't reflect who and what we REALLY are. Our spirit convicts us. After born again to sin is similar to going to the shower with your socks on.

Something doesn't feel right about that. The same when a Christian sins so I think the same with A+E in the beginning. They didn't have a sin nature and yet they could still do it. So nature doesn't mean there's a locked in guarantee one will always do right. As i say we're partakers of the divine nature but can still yield to a wrong doing.
 
Good question Bob. That makes us ask the question though what is a nature and EXACTLY what force does it have? Does it mean one can't override at all what one is prone to do or not do? Some might think that but I don't think could really prove that. We now who are in Christ are born again, we've become a partaker of the divine nature 2 Pt 1:4 with our spirits having been regenerated and it says sin shall not have dominion over us.

We KNOW that doesn't mean we can't sin .... we do. So how is it possible that we can actually commit sin? I think it works this way. When we sin we're doing something which doesn't reflect who and what we REALLY are. Our spirit convicts us. After born again to sin is similar to going to the shower with your socks on.

Something doesn't feel right about that. The same when a Christian sins so I think the same with A+E in the beginning. They didn't have a sin nature and yet they could still do it. So nature doesn't mean there's a locked in guarantee one will always do right. As i say we're partakers of the divine nature but can still yield to a wrong doing.
Romans 8:19 "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God." Romans 8:20 "For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,"

101G.
 
Good question Bob. That makes us ask the question though what is a nature and EXACTLY what force does it have? Does it mean one can't override at all what one is prone to do or not do? Some might think that but I don't think could really prove that. We now who are in Christ are born again, we've become a partaker of the divine nature 2 Pt 1:4 with our spirits having been regenerated and it says sin shall not have dominion over us.

We KNOW that doesn't mean we can't sin .... we do. So how is it possible that we can actually commit sin? I think it works this way. When we sin we're doing something which doesn't reflect who and what we REALLY are. Our spirit convicts us. After born again to sin is similar to going to the shower with your socks on.

Something doesn't feel right about that. The same when a Christian sins so I think the same with A+E in the beginning. They didn't have a sin nature and yet they could still do it. So nature doesn't mean there's a locked in guarantee one will always do right. As i say we're partakers of the divine nature but can still yield to a wrong doing.
People talk about Jesus "having two natures", but Christians do also. we've got our HUMAN NATURE (the flesh), and we've got the Holy SPirit indwelling. Paul deals with this in Romans 6. "Destroyed" in V6 is better translated "Rendered ineffective". our "OLD MAN" is still there, but the Born Again Christian progressively "Renders him inneffective", as they mature in the FAITH. WE NEVER get it done 100%

Everybody quotes Rom 8:28 ("All thing work for the good" etc.), but the "Good" is DEFINED in V29 as: that we become "CONFORMED to the image of Jesus".
 
True.

There's no such thing as "Fallen nature" - there's just "Human Nature".
Hi Bob.
While I'd agree that there's only human nature, the idea of the fallen nature is because human nature before Adam ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he was created in the image and likeness of God, and was "very good."

Otherwise, if there's only human nature, there's no need for Jesus to come to save us.

The fallen nature is explicitly because of Adam's sin in the garden.
 
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