Freed from : Calvinism-TULIP-5 points Hyper-Calvinism

[brightfame52]

There is a effectual call issued when God draws the elect vessel of mercy to faith in and obedience to Christ Jn 6:44;12:32, this call is accompanied with inward power of the Spirit of God, and it brings the called one ones or drawn ones out of darkness into His marvelous light 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

See that's an effectual calling to those who belong to a chosen generation,

The word chosen is the same greek word for chosen here Matt 22 14

For many are called, but few are chosen.
Notice the effectual transition from or out of darkness into the marvelous light, that's power
Similar to Col 1 13
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
D Fortner writes of this call

This call of the Holy Spirit is always effectual and irresistible. By almighty, irresistible power the Spirit of God draws all of the elect to Christ. This call is given only to God’s elect, it always produces faith in Christ and it always results in salvation (Ps. 65:4; Rom. 8:28-30; 1 Cor. 1:21-24; 2 Tim. 1:9)

http://www.donfortner.com/html_firm/Grace%20For%20Today.htm

 

[synergy]

For many are called, but few are chosen.
Notice the effectual transition from or out of darkness into the marvelous light, that's power
Similar to Col 1 13
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
D Fortner writes of this call

Doesn't sound too effectual if only a few were chosen of the many called.

 

[brightfame52]

Doesn't sound too effectual if only a few were chosen of the many called.

It really doesnt matter what it sounds like to you my friend

 

[synergy]

It really doesnt matter what it sounds like to you my friend

Not just to me but to everyone who can read English. Are you able to read the following English sentence:

For many are called, but few are chosen.

Let's see if you need to attend Remedial English classes.

 

[brightfame52]

Not just to me but to everyone who can read English. Are you able to read the following English sentence:

Let's see if you need to attend Remedial English classes.

It doesnt matter still, it must be stated regardless.

 

[synergy]

It doesnt matter still,

Matt 22:14 does not matter??? Now you're exposing your contempt of Matt 22:14.

(Matt 22:14) For many are called, but few are chosen.

it must be stated regardless.

You continue to promote your anti-Bible presuppositions regardless of what the Bible says. I highly recommend that you stop doing that.

 

[FreeInChrist]

There is a effectual call issued when God draws the elect vessel of mercy to faith in and obedience to Christ Jn 6:44;12:32, this call is accompanied with inward power of the Spirit of God, and it brings the called one ones or drawn ones out of darkness into His marvelous light 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

See that's an effectual calling to those who belong to a chosen generation,

The word chosen is the same greek word for chosen here Matt 22 14

For many are called, but few are chosen.
Notice the effectual transition from or out of darkness into the marvelous light, that's power
Similar to Col 1 13
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
D Fortner writes of this call

http://www.donfortner.com/html_firm/Grace%20For%20Today.htm

 

[civic]

Doesn't sound too effectual if only a few were chosen of the many called.

lol yes this god who calls them is unable to choose them to be saved.

their god calls but thet do not listen to the call.

makes to wonder if the chosen were ever called

oops

next

hope this helps !!!

 

[synergy]

lol yes this god who calls them is unable to choose them to be saved.

their god calls but thet do not listen to the call.

makes to wonder if the chosen were ever called

oops

next

hope this helps !!!

And now @brightfame52 is running away from Matt 22:14 as fast as his feet allow him. LOL!!!!

 

[Biblelesson]

Some just don't understand Calvinism, just what is this “Calvinism” that all the “doctrinal Calvinists” have in common? It is Calvin’s doctrinal expression of the way of salvation through Jesus Christ refined through the controversies in the Reformed community that occurred after his death.

And what is that? It is an expansion of the phrase “salvation by grace alone, through faith alone.” Calvin followed Augustine and, of course, both followed Paul in emphasizing that our salvation is through the grace of God alone. That is, it is not on the basis of anything that God sees in us or that we do. We are spiritually dead, if not spiritually buried, and we need God’s grace to give us life—reconciliation with God through the work of Christ in its widest and deepest sense. But neither does our reception of God’s grace depend upon our own capacity to want it or to like it. We do not meet God halfway, nor do we come to Christ for the reconciliation that He alone can give by a free decision of our wills. We need the life-giving energy and enlightenment of Christ’s Spirit.

The grace in question is powerful. It is powerful not only to take us to glory but also, before that, powerful to renew our minds and especially our wills, bringing us to conviction of sin, to repentance, to the exercise of faith in Christ only, and so bringing about the renewing of our character that follows our justification by faith alone.

Such powerful grace came to be referred to as “effectual grace,” though this was a phrase first coined by Augustine in his letter to Simplicianus in AD 396. Effectual grace is grace sufficiently powerful to bring us, kicking and screaming and struggling otherwise, to God Himself and to keep us there. Grace here and glory hereafter.

 

[atpollard]

(Matt 22:14) For many are called, but few are chosen.

Doesn't sound too effectual if only a few were chosen of the many called.

Luke 8:4-15 [KJV]

4 And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable: 5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. 6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. 8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. ​

9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? ​

10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. ​

11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 They on the rock [are they], which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. 14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of [this] life, and bring no fruit to perfection. 15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep [it], and bring forth fruit with patience.​

All of the seeds that fell on soil were a "call", but only the good soil was "chosen" to yield a harvest.
Who breaks up hard soil, removes the rocks and pulls the weeds to prepare a garden soil?

• The soil (man)?
• The Gardener (God)?

Acts 16:14 [KJV] And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard [us]: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

• God prepared the soil ... Paul "called" to all who were listening and Lydia was "chosen" by God to yield a harvest.

Acts 13:44, 48 [KJV] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. ... And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

• Almost the whole city was "called" by the preaching of Paul's words ... "as many as were ordained" were "chosen" to believe.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Some just don't understand Calvinism, just what is this “Calvinism” that all the “doctrinal Calvinists” have in common? It is Calvin’s doctrinal expression of the way of salvation through Jesus Christ refined through the controversies in the Reformed community that occurred after his death.

And what is that? It is an expansion of the phrase “salvation by grace alone, through faith alone.” Calvin followed Augustine and, of course, both followed Paul in emphasizing that our salvation is through the grace of God alone. That is, it is not on the basis of anything that God sees in us or that we do. We are spiritually dead, if not spiritually buried, and we need God’s grace to give us life—reconciliation with God through the work of Christ in its widest and deepest sense. But neither does our reception of God’s grace depend upon our own capacity to want it or to like it. We do not meet God halfway, nor do we come to Christ for the reconciliation that He alone can give by a free decision of our wills. We need the life-giving energy and enlightenment of Christ’s Spirit.

The grace in question is powerful. It is powerful not only to take us to glory but also, before that, powerful to renew our minds and especially our wills, bringing us to conviction of sin, to repentance, to the exercise of faith in Christ only, and so bringing about the renewing of our character that follows our justification by faith alone.

Such powerful grace came to be referred to as “effectual grace,” though this was a phrase first coined by Augustine in his letter to Simplicianus in AD 396. Effectual grace is grace sufficiently powerful to bring us, kicking and screaming and struggling otherwise, to God Himself and to keep us there. Grace here and glory hereafter.

And where do Calvin's reprobates fit in?

 

[brightfame52]

And where do Calvin's reprobates fit in?

Reprobates are those God created as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction Rom 9:22

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

They being outside of Election in Christ are under Divine hate and disapproved.

 

[civic]

Reprobates are those God created as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction Rom 9:22

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

They being outside of Election in Christ are under Divine hate and disapproved.

yet all believers were children of wrath before conversion.

see Ephesians 2:1-3

next fallacy

 

[atpollard]

And where do Calvin's reprobates fit in?

Romans 1 ... starting about verse 18, or John 3:19-20. Acknowledgement that there IS a "wide road".

 

[civic]

Romans 1 ... starting about verse 18, or John 3:19-20. Acknowledgement that there IS a "wide road".

And everyone begins this life on that broad road

 

[brightfame52]

yet all believers were children of wrath before conversion.

see Ephesians 2:1-3

next fallacy

The elect were never vessels of wrath, because they were always vessels of mercy

 

[civic]

The elect were never vessels of wrath, because they were always vessels of mercy

Yes they were read Ephesians 2:1-3

Next fallacy

 

[brightfame52]

Yes they were read Ephesians 2:1-3

Next fallacy

Ive read it, they were never vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, they were always vessels of mercy, objects of Gods mercy, look at Vs 4

But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

So while they were being children of wrath by nature, they were not objects of His wrath by nature, dead in sin, they clearly were objects of Gods Mercy and Great Love.

 

[Biblelesson]

And where do Calvin's reprobates fit in?

Right here.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me thus?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for beauty and another for menial use?
Romans 9:19–21

If only some people are predestined to be saved, then it logically must follow that other people are not. The doctrine of predestination to salvation is called the doctrine of election, and the doctrine of predestination to damnation is called the doctrine of reprobation.

There is some mystery in these doctrines of predestination, but as we have said before, if we don't say that God predestines all things, we don't have a God at all. If He is not totally sovereign, He is only a "big man" like Zeus or Baal. At the same time, there are some things we can say about the doctrines of election and reprobation, and we need to say them.

First, the fact is that all mankind is in sin and rebellion against God. God does not have to elect anybody. When God chooses to save a sinner, He puts forth an action to save that person. God works to create belief in us. This contrasts with the doctrine of reprobation. God does not put forth an effort to cause people to sin. When God chooses to bypass a sinner, He does not work to create unbelief in that person's heart. Rather, God simply lets him go his own way.

Thus, second, we say that election and reprobation are not "equally ultimate." In election, God powerfully acts to change a person from a sinner to a saint. God does not act to change a saint into a sinner. Election is an act of God; reprobation is simply the reflex of that action, the fact that God has not elected everybody.

Third, we have to say that God's action of deciding to save some is simultaneously a decision not to save others. The decision to save is called election, and the decision not to save is called preterition. Since this is one action, it can be seen as two sides of one coin, and "equally ultimate" in that sense.

But, and this is most important, when God implements election by calling the saints, He saves us apart from anything we have done. When God implements preterition by reprobating the wicked, He does not do anything to them; He simply leaves them alone. In this important sense, the work of God in condemning the wicked is not the reverse side of His work in saving sinners.