Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” with a dollop of "free will".

[brightfame52]

rude dude, where is the love? “love… is kind”

What is rude about that or unloving? The most loving thing a person can do is share the truth about God.

 

[brightfame52]

To late for that cop out, you involve yourself here everyday. So don't try to evade responsibility or back out by making an excuse.

No it's not too late I didn't involve my self

 

[Kokomo]

What is rude about that or unloving? The most loving thing a person can do is share the truth about God.

Give it a try and lets see how it works for you. First you will need to leave Calvinism in the dust.

Calvanists say “God does not love everybody” we need to examine Calvinist theology more closely, particularly the Calvinist account of salvation.

 

[brightfame52]

Calvanists say “God does not love everybody” we need to examine Calvinist theology more closely, particularly the Calvinist account of salvation

I started a thread on it

Thread 'Calvinism is Gospel !'

Jul 16, 2024

A Defense of Calvinism as the Gospel​

Prof. David J. Engelsma

The term "Calvinism" is not the name by which we Calvinists prefer to have our faith called; nor do we prefer to call ourselves "Calvinists." Calvin was the name of a man, a great servant of God, John Calvin. He was one of the Reformers by whom the Holy Spirit reformed the Church in the 16th century. To call ourselves "Calvinists" and our faith "Calvinism" leaves the impression that we follow a man and that these beliefs are the invention of a man. In fact, these terms originally were terms of derision used by...

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[Darby]

No it's not too late I didn't involve my self

LOL your doing it right now.

 

[Kokomo]

I started a thread on it
calvinism-is-gospel

Only problem is Calvinism is not even close to being the Gospel.

The Gospel is Simpler, the essence of the Gospel is salvation comes through trusting a Person, Jesus Christ, not by adopting a specific theological system. The message is that God loves the world and whosoever believes in Him will have eternal life John 3:16

 

[brightfame52]

Only problem is Calvinism is not even close to being the Gospel

Yes it is, read some of the thread

 

[Kokomo]

Yes it is, read some of the thread

Why would I want to read about a false man made doctrine when I have the truth of God's word'

For the love of Christ urges us on, because we are convinced that one has died for all; therefore all have died. And he died for all, so that those who live might live no longer for themselves, but for him who died and was raised for them. 2 Cor 5:14–15

Notice that Christ died and was raised for all of us so that we might live no longer for ourselves, but for him. He died for all of us so that all of us might live for him!

That's what I'm talking about!

 

[brightfame52]

Why would I want to read about a false man made doctrine when I have the truth of God's word'

I thought you wanted to discuss it? Calvinism is the Gospel, people just pawn it off as a mans doctrine, which is not wise

 

[Kokomo]

I thought you wanted to discuss it? Calvinism is the Gospel, people just pawn it off as a mans doctrine, which is not wise

Calvinism is defiantly not wise. I discuss how ungodly it is.

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation: that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. So we are ambassadors for Christ, since God is making his appeal through us; we entreat you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
2 Cor 5:18–20

God reconciled the world to himself through Christ, and now he is making his appeal through his ambassadors to accept the reconciliation that is offered. He died for all and the appeal goes out to all: “be reconciled to God!”

 

[brightfame52]

Calvinism is defiantly not wise. I discuss how ungodly it is.

Sorry friend but it is the gospel

 

[FreeInChrist]

How's that I did not involve myself

Actually you did. You wrote and I copied to ask questions and the resposes were by answer to my questions which were based from your writings.

 

[Kokomo]

Sorry friend but it is the gospel

The gospel is found in the person and work of Jesus Christ, not in a theological system like Calvinism. Calvinism's doctrines, such as unconditional election, limited atonement, and irresistible grace, distort or contradict the biblical message of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[FreeInChrist]

That's the saved from amongst not only the Jews but also from among the Gentiles, the emphasis is on the scope of the proprititionary sacrifice for sin

The New Testament explicitly teaches that Christ’s death was for all mankind without exception—meaning every single human being, not merely a limited subset. Below are the clearest verses (all NIV; emphasis added):

1.​

“For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.”

• “All” (Greek pántōn) is universal and unqualified.

2.​

“This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people…”

• “All people” (pántas anthrṓpous) and “ransom for all” (antílytron hypèr pántōn) are again universal.

3.​

“But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.”

• “Everyone” (hypèr pantós) = for every human being.

4.​

“He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.”

• “Whole world” (hólou toú kósmou) = all humanity, not just believers.

5.​

“For God so loved the world… that whoever believes in him shall not perish… For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.”

• “World” (kósmos) repeatedly means the entire human race.

6.​

“For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.”

7.​

“Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.”

• Parallel structure: Adam’s sin condemned all; Christ’s act justifies all (in terms of provision/offer).

---

How to Reconcile with “Limited Atonement” Views​

Some theological systems (e.g., strict 5-point Calvinism) interpret “all” as “all kinds of people” or “the elect from every nation.” However:

• The Greek words (pás, hápas, kósmos) are unqualified universals in context.
• The parallel with Adam (Rom 5:18; 1 Cor 15:22) demands the same “all” who were condemned are the “all” for whom Christ died in terms of scope.
• Passages like 1 Timothy 4:10 distinguish potential vs. actualsalvation:
  

  “…the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.”

Thus, the extent (scope) of the atonement is universal; the application is particular to believers.

Summary​

The Bible repeatedly and plainly states that Jesus died for all mankind without exception. The offer of salvation is genuinely universal; whether individuals receive it depends on faith. G

 

[brightfame52]

Actually you did.

Actually I didn't

 

[brightfame52]

The gospel is found in the person and work of Jesus Christ

That's Calvinism ,it describes the person and the work of Christ, you just call it Calvinism

 

[brightfame52]

The New Testament explicitly teaches that Christ’s death was for all mankind without exception—meaning every single human being

That's absolutely false not one scripture ever says Christ's death was for All mankind without exception, every human being, that is a man-made doctrine

 

[FreeInChrist]

That's absolutely false not one scripture ever says Christ's death was for All mankind without exception, every human being, that is a man-made doctrine

The New Testament explicitly teaches that Christ’s death was for all mankind without exception—meaning every single human being, not merely a limited subset. Below are the clearest verses (all NIV; emphasis added):

1.​

“For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.”

• “All” (Greek pántōn) is universal and unqualified.

2.​

“This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people…”

• “All people” (pántas anthrṓpous) and “ransom for all” (antílytron hypèr pántōn) are again universal.

3.​

“But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.”

• “Everyone” (hypèr pantós) = for every human being.

4.​

“He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.”

• “Whole world” (hólou toú kósmou) = all humanity, not just believers.

5.​

“For God so loved the world… that whoever believes in him shall not perish… For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.”

• “World” (kósmos) repeatedly means the entire human race.

6.​

“For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.”

7.​

“Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.”

• Parallel structure: Adam’s sin condemned all; Christ’s act justifies all (in terms of provision/offer).

---

How to Reconcile with “Limited Atonement” Views​

Some theological systems (e.g., strict 5-point Calvinism) interpret “all” as “all kinds of people” or “the elect from every nation.” However:

• The Greek words (pás, hápas, kósmos) are unqualified universals in context.
• The parallel with Adam (Rom 5:18; 1 Cor 15:22) demands the same “all” who were condemned are the “all” for whom Christ died in terms of scope.
• Passages like 1 Timothy 4:10 distinguish potential vs. actualsalvation:
  

  “…the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.”

Thus, the extent (scope) of the atonement is universal; the application is particular to believers.

Summary​

The Bible repeatedly and plainly states that Jesus died for all mankind without exception. The offer of salvation is genuinely universal; whether individuals receive it depends on faith. G

 

[brightfame52]

The New Testament explicitly teaches that Christ’s death was for all mankind without exception—meaning every single human being, not merely a limited subset. Below are the clearest verses (all NIV; emphasis added):

Totally false there's never been a scripture that says Christ died for All mankind , that's been added by men.

 

[Rory Wilson]

Totally false there's never been a scripture that says Christ died for All mankind , that's been added by men.

So now your saying that the bible is unreliable.

Any doctrine claiming to be based on the Bible must be carefully checked against the Bible— an option open to anyone who knows God’s Word.

No prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit
2 Peter 1:20–21

The Bible says some outlandish things. First of all, it claims to be the Word of God, to have been directly inspired by God through human agents. And it says extraordinary things about Jesus Christ—that He was God incarnate, that He was sinless, that He rose from the dead, and so forth. Can we trust these assertions? Yes we can.

Since God is utterly trustworthy, His Word is utterly trustworthy also.

The church holds the Bible to be reliable, or infallible. And so, all of its extraordinary claims—including those about the person and work of Christ—are deemed to be true and accurate. The Bible is reliable because of Him whose Word it is