Discussion on heresy and salvation
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PeanutGallery
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Downloaded video; 1hr long, I'll view when time permits.
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PeanutGallery
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OK; watched it. They seem to define heresy in regards to rejecting ECFs, theology and philosophy. I'm sure that is not what Paul had in mind.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
At one point, I think it was stated that unbelief in the Trinity was heresy; however. is it that one becomes a heretic because they do not believe in philosophical terms not stated in scripture?
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
At one point, I think it was stated that unbelief in the Trinity was heresy; however. is it that one becomes a heretic because they do not believe in philosophical terms not stated in scripture?
I think most people hold at least one belief that is considered to be heretical. Does someone believe in the pre-existence of the soul? Heretic. Has someone used the analogy of how water can be a solid, liquid, or gas to explain the Trinity? That's modalism, Patrick! Defining Heresy in regards to rejecting the ECF is assuming that we shouldn't reject them as heretics.
The Rogue Tomato
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Another emotional approach to Scripture. "What are my kids going to be taught?" That tells you right there that he changed his belief to accommodate what he wants to be true.
civic
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Common sense along with scripture defines what love is like and looks like between a Father and his children. That definition contradicts the doctrines of grace.
The UTI are all 3 unloving doctrines. A UTI in the real world is a bad infection that can be fatal.
Just having some PUN with it.
You mean HETERODOX as such a belief has
1. absolutely NO verse that condemns it or even hints it should be condemned.
2. has absolutely NO adverse impact on the doctrines of salvation in the least!
You mean HETERODOX as such a belief has
1. absolutely NO verse that condemns it or even hints it should be condemned.
2. has absolutely NO adverse impact on the doctrines of salvation in the least!
"If anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema." - Second Council of Constantinople
CHURCH FATHERS: Second Council of Constantinople (A.D. 553)
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AH, battling Fathers eh?"If anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema." - Second Council of Constantinople
CHURCH FATHERS: Second Council of Constantinople (A.D. 553)
Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.www.newadvent.org
Do not assume that politics makes good theology.
By verse I meant a verse of scripture from the Bible, not a treatise from the Fathers...
Are you suggesting that people go to hell for disputing a council of Fathers?
Anyway, I play Origen: a pretty nice guy even if his Christology is bunk.
Origen of Alexandria (185—254 C.E.)
Origen of Alexandria, one of the greatest Christian theologians, is famous for composing the seminal work of Christian Neoplatonism, his treatise On First Principles. Origen lived through a turbulent period of the Christian Church, when persecution was wide-spread and little or no doctrinal consensus existed among the various regional churches....
In this work Origen establishes his main doctrines, including that of the Holy Trinity (based upon standard Middle Platonic triadic emanation schemas); the pre-existence and fall of souls; multiple ages and transmigration of souls; and the eventual restoration of all souls to a state of dynamic perfection in proximity to the godhead. He is unique among Platonists of his era for introducing history into his cosmological and metaphysical speculations, and his insistence on the absolute freedom of each and every soul, thereby denying the fatalism that so often found its way into the more esoteric teachings of the various philosophical and mystery schools of his day.
Since you like quoting sources other than the bible, I offer:
Judaism
In rabbinic literature, [ie, the Rabbis that taught the church Fathers] the souls of all humanity are described as being created during the six days of creation (Book of Genesis). When each person is born, a preexisting soul is placed within the body. (See Tan., Pekude, 3). Tan., Pekude, 3: http://tinyurl.com/cnpetph
Of course this was quashed also.
Catholicism: From the Catholic Bible
The Wisdom of Solomon 8:20 As a child, I was born to excellence and a noble soul fell to my lot; or rather, I myself was noble, and I entered into an unblemished body......
(JB) I was a boy of happy disposition. I had received a good soul as my lot, or that, being good, I had entered an undefiled body.
And for a few verses from the Bible to whet your appetite (I won't quote the 3 dozen or so verses which can be read to support our pre-conception existence. And notice, I use pre-conception existence (PCE) to label our pre-earthly life rather than pre-existence because no one can exist before they exist so there can be no such thing as our pre-existence.)
Bible:
For example, in Jeremiah 1:5 we read, "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
Job 38:7 ...while the morning stars sang together and ALL the sons of God shouted for joy? Berean Standard Bible
Healing the man born blind:
The question Christ's disciples asked about the man born blind suggests that they believed in the pre-conception existence of the man's spirit. "And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" How else could he sin before his birth ?? except by an existence before his conception, especially considering that sinfulness only accrues to a free will decision to rebel against a command??
Not at all, especially considering their handicap in understanding the Bible. My point was that most people have a least one view without realizing that others have considered to be heretical.
The Rogue Tomato
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I believe that sinners who do not repent will spend eternity in Newark, New Jersey. Is that heretical?
That seems a little bit harsh to me, but my wife would agree with you.I believe that sinners who do not repent will spend eternity in Newark, New Jersey. Is that heretical?
EclipseEventSigns
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Keith Green's epic song about the Sheep and the Goats Parable always struck me as bordering on heresy. Jesus' final statement was that salvation there was based on works. Another evidence of the probable dispensation change during that last day's period?
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