Could this be what we see happening now ?

@Selah @civic @Complete

Even people who study the scriptures are and can be deceived.

In order not to be deceived, one must do this.......................= What is it???
not listen to the teaching and doctrines of man- be good Bereans and search the scriptures. Rely on Gods word over mans teachings.

examples :
infant baptism
communion - the literal blood and body of Christ
PSA
tulip
sovereignty according to the reformation/reformers
tithing
going to church
laity-clergy
no eternal punishment
kenosis
Jesus Resurrection as a spirit
 
@Selah @civic @Complete

Even people who study the scriptures are and can be deceived.

In order not to be deceived, one must do this.......................= What is it???
I started a new thread thanks to you. :)

 
You mean I didn’t get it right? That’s impossible! (just kidding, just kidding :ROFLMAO:).
@civic
Well, there is Hope = for with God all things are possible

The only Way to prevent/protect against deception is THREE-FOLD
#1- Must be SAVED by the BLOOD of CHRIST = Born Again
#2 - Must receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit = aka the Spirit of Truth
#3 - Must reside under God's Word = Proverbs 30:5-6 and Matthew 4:4

SHALOM to @Selah @Tothalordbeallglory @civic @praise_yeshua @Complete
 
'And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many'

(Mat 24:4-5)

'And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals,
and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder,
one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
And I saw, and behold a white horse:
and he that sat on him had a bow;
and a crown was given unto him:
and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.'
(Rev 6:1-2)​


'And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled:
for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

(Mat 24:6-7)

'And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
And there went out another horse that was red:
and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth,
and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.'
(Rev 6:3-4)​


' ... and there shall be famines, ... ... ... in divers places.'
(Mat 24:7b)

And when he had opened the third seal,
I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse;
and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say,
A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny;
and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.'
(Rev 6:5-6)​


(Mat 24:7) ;and there ... ... ... and pestilences, ... ... ... in divers places.'

;And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger,
and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.'
(Rev 6:7-8)​
Matthew 24:8-28 - Martyrdoms
Revelation 6:9-11 -
'And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain
for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:'
(Rev 6:9)​

Matt. 24:29-30 - Sign in Heaven of Advent
Revelation 6:12-17 -

'Immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven
,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,
and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven
with power and great glory.'

(Mat 24:29-30)

'And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal,
and, lo, there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair,
and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth,
even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs,
when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;
and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.'
(Rev 6:12-14)​


Praise God!
 
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'And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many'

(Mat 24:4-5)

'And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals,
and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder,
one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
And I saw, and behold a white horse:
and he that sat on him had a bow;
and a crown was given unto him:
and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.'
(Rev 6:1-2)​


'And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled:
for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

(Mat 24:6-7)

'And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
And there went out another horse that was red:
and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth,
and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.'
(Rev 6:3-4)​


' ... and there shall be famines, ... ... ... in divers places.'
(Mat 24:7b)

And when he had opened the third seal,
I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse;
and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say,
A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny;
and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.'
(Rev 6:5-6)​


(Mat 24:7) ;and there ... ... ... and pestilences, ... ... ... in divers places.'

;And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger,
and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.'
(Rev 6:7-8)​
Matthew 24:8-28 - Martyrdoms
Revelation 6:9-11 -
'And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain
for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:'
(Rev 6:9)​

Matt. 24:29-30 - Sign in Heaven of Advent
Revelation 6:12-17 -

'Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,
and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven
with power and great glory.'
(Mat 24:29-30)​

Praise God!
Come Lord Jesus Come !!!
 
GINOLJC, to all.
having not read all of the responses, First Revelation 6:13 states, "And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth". notice not "IN" heaven. here, stars are men on earth, fallen men after the flesh, or men of fleshly wisdom. listen to the scripture,
Revelation 6:13 "And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." also, "shaken", in the verse means agitate, tremble for fear, and the word can be translated as "QUAKE" as in an Earthquake, which is symbolic or signified as confusion. the definition for "shaken",
G4579 σείω seio (sei'-ō) v.
1. (properly) to shake (sideways or to and fro).
2. (generally) to agitate (in any direction).
3. (figuratively) to cause to tremble.
4. (reflexively) to tremble for fear or concern.
[apparently a primary verb]
KJV: move, quake, shake

so the Stars of heaven, are not the natural stars in the heaven/sky, but of heaven, meaning the leadership in some Church congregations. I’ll get straight to the point. Ministers of the Gospel finding themselves in scandals as the world has never see before. fallen stars, Men and women in leadership position caught in sex, and money scandals right and left, one after another as figs fall from a tree, untimely, or meaning surprised. These false leaders teach the damnable heresies, and doctrine that is not of God, (hence the the confusion, "QUAKE"). This is just not of today, but of old also. Teaching and preaching for filthy lucre heaping to themselves teacher, 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears”. Hence the turning away, or the falling away from the word of God. Read Romans 1:18-32, you’ll get a taste of these fallen stars. Our brother Jude speak this wise of them, Jude 1:13 "Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever”.

as for one poster commented on Revelation 6:14 "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."
Heaven here is signified as the source of God’s wisdom, the Holy Ghost, that will depart from these unruly men and women, and yes, they have cast out demons, and did works in the Lord name. Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? verse 23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity”.

As a scroll rolled up as with the book written within and on the back, the bible, knowledge and understanding which is the wisdom of God is removed from these “stars” that have fallen, (2 Thessalonians 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way." 2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:" ). Isaiah 29:10 "For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. verse 11 "And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: verse 12 "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned”. so the JUST, and the UNJUST are in the same boat. for the bible is clear, James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him”. when men think that have learned the bible, then they make up their own doctrine.

Mountain & Island​
mountain represent two things,
A. Immovable, something that in set in place, solid, like a doctrine, or belief. 1 Corinthians 13:2 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing”. here, the term “mountain” is used as a figure of speech, meaning something hard to overcome. …… but are we not “OVERCOMERS?. Romans 12:21 "Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good”.
B. Mountains also are a high place, rising above, used symbolically of worship, either correct or idolatry. A high place is thus call as such,

Let’s see this in scripture,
Jeremiah 3:6 "The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot”. other words they engage in idolatry. Today, same thing, false doctrine and beliefs. All kinds of beliefs.

An island, is symbolic of a cult, which is isolated, as a natural island is isolated by the waters around it, which makes for “strange” doctrine, and ISOLATE the hearers from God. all out there by themselves/itself. cut off from the truth of God by isolating itself/themselves from the truth, and the testimony of the Lord Jesus.

All this to make one depart from God, by making themselves, proud boaster of the truth, that they are the only one’s right. BIG CHURCH CONGERGATATIONS, Scripture, Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith”. these things contribute to this falling away.

101G.
 
'And God said,
Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven
to divide the day from the night;
and let them be for signs,
and for seasons,
and for days, and years:

(Gen.1:14)


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Thank you for your contribution, which keeps to the subject of the thread. I confess to not having heard of this 'event' before, so it has proved to be informative for me.

We can be in no doubt as to when this even,t involving the stars of heaven, under consideration, will take place; for the opening words of Matthew 24:29 tell us that it will be 'immediately after the tribulation of those days.'

'Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
.. and the moon shall not give her light,
....
and the stars shall fall from heaven,
...... and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
........ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
.......... and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,
............ and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven
with power and great glory.
.............. And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
................ and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds,
from one end of heaven to the other.'

(Mat 24:29-31)

* In these verses is a figure of speech, in which there are many 'ands', and it requires that each individual point marked in this way is important in it's own right, and should be considered carefully, rather than lead up to a conclusion of importance.

*These are 'signs' given by our Lord in response to the questions asked by His disciples in Mat 24:3:-
1) ' ... when shall these things be?
2) ... what shall be the sign of Thy coming,
3) and of the end of the world? '


Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
On point, especially in what you said about Matthews 24.

"We can be in no doubt as to when this even,t involving the stars of heaven, under consideration, will take place; for the opening words of Matthew 24:29 tell us that it will be 'immediately after the tribulation of those days.'

'Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
.. and the moon shall not give her light,
....
and the stars shall fall from heaven"

yes, these are the signs, these two thing above, is what 101G posted about in the post above.
"The moon shall not give her light,
.... and the stars shall fall from heaven"

yes, men will be deceived, because Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" Romans 1:21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.", (the sun/gospel, and the moon/the law was darken in their MINDS), Romans 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," Romans 1:23 "And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things." Romans 1:24 "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:" Romans 1:25 "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

this is on going right now.... today.

101G.
 
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth,
even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs,
when she is shaken of a mighty wind.'

(Rev 6:13)

Hello 101G,

This is foretold in Haggai,

'For thus saith the LORD of hosts;
Yet once, it is a little while,

.. and I will shake the heavens,
.... and the earth,
...... and the sea,
........ and the dry land;
.......... And I will shake all nations,
............ and
the desire of all nations shall come:
.............. and I will fill this house with glory,
saith the LORD of hosts.'

(Hag 2:6-7)

The desire of all nations, in verse 7, is Christ Himself, and it is the people within the nations that will be shaken. Here is described the great convulsion of the sixth Seal. This is more than a mere earthquake, it will convulse the nations of the earth, the sea, the dry land, and the heavens too. This will immediately precede the revelation of Christ, and the glory of the temple.

'And again the word of the LORD came unto Haggai
in the four and twentieth day of the month, saying,
Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying,
I will shake the heavens and the earth;
And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms,
and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen;

and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them;
and the horses and their riders shall come down,
every one by the sword of his brother.'

(Hag 2:20-22)

'And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;
and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
And the kings of the earth, and the great men,
and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men,
and every bondman, and every free man,
hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us
from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

(Rev 6:14-17)

Ref:- Matt. 24:35; Isa 34:4; Isa. 13:6-13

Thank you @101G
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth,
blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
And it shall come to pass,
that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered:
for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said,
and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.'

(Joe 2:30-32)

* Thank you for your word Lord, for your forewarning,
and promise of deliverance to those who shall call on the name of the Lord.

In Christ Jesus
C.
 
'Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together,
against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure.
Yet have I set My king upon My holy hill of Zion.
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto Me,
Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten Thee.
Ask of Me, and I shall give Thee the heathen for Thine inheritance,
and the uttermost parts of the earth for Thy possession.
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and ye perish from the way,
when His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him.'

(Psalm 2)

Praise God!
 
'Heaven and earth shall pass away,
but My words shall not pass away.'

(Mat 24:35)

Praise God!
Amen !!! and we know that elsewhere the gospel is called the eternal gospel ( Revelation 14:6 ) . :)

Its origin is from heaven

1 Peter 1:12
It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.
 
Amen !!! and we know that elsewhere the gospel is called the eternal gospel ( Revelation 14:6 ) . :)

Its origin is from heaven

1 Peter 1:12
It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.

'And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,
having the everlasting gospel to preach
unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Saying with a loud voice,
Fear God, and give glory to Him;
for the hour of His judgment is come:
and worship Him
that made heaven, and earth,
and the sea, and the fountains of waters.'

(Rev 14:6-7)

Hello @civic,

If the words:- 'Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.' is what is preached as 'the everlasting gospel', by the angel in the midst of heaven, unto them that dwell on the earth. Then it is not either 'The gospel of the Kingdom; 'The gospel of God', or 'The gospel of the grace of God', but something entirely other, isn't it?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,
having the everlasting gospel to preach
unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Saying with a loud voice,
Fear God, and give glory to Him;
for the hour of His judgment is come:
and worship Him
that made heaven, and earth,
and the sea, and the fountains of waters.'

(Rev 14:6-7)

Hello @civic,

If the words:- 'Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.' is what is preached as 'the everlasting gospel', by the angel in the midst of heaven, unto them that dwell on the earth. Then it is not either 'The gospel of the Kingdom; 'The gospel of God', or 'The gospel of the grace of God', but something entirely other, isn't it?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
It will be the gospel preached to everyone during the tribulation period- to every nation ,tribe and tongue.
 
@civic
Well, there is Hope = for with God all things are possible

The only Way to prevent/protect against deception is THREE-FOLD
#1- Must be SAVED by the BLOOD of CHRIST = Born Again
#2 - Must receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit = aka the Spirit of Truth
#3 - Must reside under God's Word = Proverbs 30:5-6 and Matthew 4:4

SHALOM to @Selah @Tothalordbeallglory @civic @praise_yeshua @Complete
One must be saved
ANY guesses on HOW one is saved . SO yeah all other religoins and all the so called good works and fake love
people think they have , OH IT WONT be saving them .
NO born again , saved , HOLY SPIRIT filled sheep
calleth JESUS accursed
And would follow satans whore and her ecumincal interfaith FAT LIE of unbelief .
SO WHY are so many in christendom now buying into this unity crap under her ecumincal interfaith dung pile lie.
OH YES i am wore out with this delusion and its time to double down on exposing it .
Lets get this people b ack into the bible too . cause far too many are following ,
oh how can i put this without offending ears , THE HARLOT and her ecumincal pile of dung . guess
that is a kinder way of putting it . dung . cause i can think of a whole heap of other words .
ITS of anti christ no doubt about it . Now either i am totally mad , a hater who knows not GOD , not love
not the gospel , OR FRIEND i AM correct . but it cannot be both . either i am a madman or one who
loves the people , who by grace has been in the bible for years , and simply
am doing all that i can by grace to warn this people .
 
It will be the gospel preached to everyone during the tribulation period- to every nation ,tribe and tongue.
civic , we better preach the gospel , the church should have been preaching the gospel
TO EVERONE .
Cause that so called tribulation peroid
Its gonna peak all right
T HEN COMETH THE WRATH OF GOD ALL MIGHTY and of the LAMB against them all .
In what most folks thinks , if they heed pre trib is a second chance .
IT AINT NO SECOND chance . NO sir its meant to DESTORY any and all who had already rejected
JESUS the CHRIST and had b ought the lie . we need TO GET UP NOW
as in RIGHT NOW
as in no more delay and preach the real g ospel NOW while there still be time to do so .
cause when that DOOR SHUTS , IT NEVER OPENS AGAIN and all outside will wail .
 
It will be the gospel preached to everyone during the tribulation period- to every nation ,tribe and tongue.
the gospel . and beleive me when i say any other gospel that adds too or takes from THE GOSPEL
OH that is no gospel
And frankly i dont care if even an angel preaches it , LEt them be accursed .
Too many can quoate the gospel
and YET TURN around and add to it or take from it . making their faith VOID and of no effect .
As we see with purgatory
or as we see with this big ol broad road that seems to say OH ITS OKAY if folks beleived not
Cause we cant preach TWO GOSPELS . we either preach and beleive THE ONE T RUE ONE
or we decieve ourselves .
 
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