Arminian perspective on Gods Sovereignty and mans free will

MTMattie said:
What did Paul mean when he said.... Romans 10:9

That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

If you believe,

In Romans 10 Paul is praying that his readers will be saved by placing their faith in Christ. God is not drawing anyone.There is a belief that is circulating that they can be made righteous through their own obedience to the law rather than faith. Paul is writing to correct this false belief and encourage both Jews and Gentiles to return to God.

In Romans 10:5-13 Paul is showing his readers that they have rejected God due to this belief. They are refusing to trust in him and instead are trying to earn salvation. Paul is urging his readers to declare their faith in God.

If You Confess With Your Mouth Jesus Is Lord​

To confess is to acknowledge your faith in Jesus. In the early church, and today, this is often demonstrated by a verbal confession and shown in water baptism.

In the context of this verse what they are confessing is that Jesus is Lord. This was a simple and common expression that believers used to confess their faith. And this flies in the face of what people were doing in the world around them. In the Roman world Caesar was “Lord” and people were expected to acknowledge him as such. Paul is challenging his readers to face who is really Lord, Jesus or Caesar.

This isn’t something to be taken lightly. To have someone be “Lord” over you means that you are submitting to them. And to go against Caesar could also mean persecution.

To confess that Jesus is Lord means that our lives will be forever changed. It is no longer us who is in control, but Jesus.

And If You Believe In Your Heart That God Raised Him From The Dead​

Not only should we confess with our mouths that Jesus is Lord, but we should believe in our hearts that he rose from the dead.

These two go together. If we believe in the resurrection of Jesus we must also believe Jesus is Lord. Belief in the resurrection is evidence of faith and proves that he is indeed Lord.

To believe in your heart shows that your trust has been placed in Christ. It means that we’ve allowed it to seep into the deepest part of our being.

You Will Be Saved​

If you believe in your heart and if you confess with your mouth, you will be saved.

Paul wraps this verse up by saying if we do these things, confess and believe, we will be saved.
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Ditto
 
brightfame52 said:
You need to exegete that verse and show where it says man has the ability believe in Jesus.
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Bull puckies....
" Jesus says men dont have the ability Jn 6:44,65" Liar liar pants on fire.... there is no word that says believe in these scriptures.

Now... as to "That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;"

All Paul says is what is needed is to believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead.

Why would anyone believe in Jesus just because he was raised from the dead by God?

Or dont you believe that? Is that what your problem is? You dont believe God raised Jesus from the dead?

Jesus said men dont have the ability, yet after he is resurrected Paul says to believe he was.

Now this is my last reply on this particular subject. I have said it any possible way7 that I can.

You dont believe your eyes? FINE. Dont believe what Paul said? FINE It is no skin off my nose. I believe because I know. I know because my know knows. So riddle me that and ta.
brightfame52 said:
@MTMattie



Im not your teacher, you reject what I say. However does that scripture say men have the ability to believe in Jesus ? Jesus says men dont have the ability Jn 6:44,65
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That goodness you are not because I would be headed down the yellow brick road to perdition if you were.
 
MTMattie said:
Bull puckies....
" Jesus says men dont have the ability Jn 6:44,65" Liar liar pants on fire.... there is no word that says believe in these scriptures.

Now... as to "That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;"

All Paul says is what is needed is to believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead.

Why would anyone believe in Jesus just because he was raised from the dead by God?

Or dont you believe that? Is that what your problem is? You dont believe God raised Jesus from the dead?

Jesus said men dont have the ability, yet after he is resurrected Paul says to believe he was.

Now this is my last reply on this particular subject. I have said it any possible way7 that I can.

You dont believe your eyes? FINE. Dont believe what Paul said? FINE It is no skin off my nose. I believe because I know. I know because my know knows. So riddle me that and ta.

That goodness you are not because I would be headed down the yellow brick road to perdition if you were.
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show where it says man has the ability believe in Jesus. Jesus who is God stated no man has the ability to come to Him, which coming is believing. Jn 6:44,65
 
brightfame52 said:
Show me the verse that says men have the ability to believe. Jesus said no man has the ability to believe in Him Jn 6:44
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He never mentioned anything about ability in that verse. Plus after His resurrection He declared He would draw everyone to Himself in John 12:32

John 12:32- And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself.”
 
brightfame52 said:
Show me the verse that says men have the ability to believe. Jesus said no man has the ability to believe in Him Jn 6:44
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Here it is. If you have difficulty understanding Rom 10:9 in English then you can read it in your native language. It'll make sense to you then.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. (Rom 10:9)
 
brightfame52 said:
@TomL



This verse says nothing about men having the ability to believe.. In fact its saying believing comes through Christ
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It does if you have the ability to read and understand.

John 1:6–7 (LEB) — 6 A man came, sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This one came for a witness, in order that he could testify about the light, so that all would believe through him.

God obviously thought men could believe the testimony of John concerning the light
 
synergy said:
Here it is. If you have difficulty understanding Rom 10:9 in English then you can read it in your native language. It'll make sense to you then.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. (Rom 10:9)
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When you going to show a scripture saying man has the ability to believe in Jesus ? Jesus says no man has that ability Jn 6:44
 
brightfame52 said:
When you going to show a scripture saying man has the ability to believe in Jesus ? Jesus says no man has that ability Jn 6:44
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Here it is. Read that verse in your native language since you have difficulty understanding it in English.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. (Rom 10:9)
 
synergy said:
Here it is. Read that verse in your native language since you have difficulty understanding it in English.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. (Rom 10:9)
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Not a word about man having the ability to believe in Jesus, Jesus says no man can come to Him Jn 6:44
 
brightfame52 said:
Not a word about man having the ability to believe in Jesus, Jesus says no man can come to Him Jn 6:44
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Not a word about man having the inability to believe in Jesus in John 6:44. And in John 12:32 Jesus declared He will draw everyone to Himself.

So much for your STRAWMAN
 
civic said:
Not a word about man having the inability to believe in Jesus in John 6:44. And in John 12:32 Jesus declared He will draw everyone to Himself.

So much for your STRAWMAN
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Not a word about man having the ability to come to Christ, in fact Jesus says men cannot come to Him Jn 6:44,65
 

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