Are we told to worship Jesus or are we told to worship God?

[Studyman]

{Note: "The Father, Who has sent me draw him" - the word 'draw' -- This word was used in the Greek for drawing a sword out of a scabbard, for a fisherman drawing a net through the water. It was also used for a public speaker drawing or attracting a crowd by his message or by some other means. Here it means to be attracted to, to be drawn to something. The word as used here refers to positive volition at the point of God-consciousness. The crowd standing before Jesus Christ went on negative signals. Why is He putting the word 'unless' in here? It is clear in the Greek but not clear in the English. Because it actually describes positive volition. Whom does the Father draw? The Father draws those who go on positive signals at the point of God-consciousness. And how does He draw them, attract them? He attracts them with the gospel. At the point of God-consciousness when a person goes on positive volition God is therefore responsible to provide gospel information for that person - John 7:17; Acts 17:27; Jeremiah 29:13. God will provide positive signals with the gospel. In other words, everyone has a chance. God gives everyone a fair shake. He stays in contact with the unbeliever all of their life. He knew all about each one of us from eternity past, at the point of our birth, at God-conscientiousness, at gospel hearing, and at the Last Judgment.}

I believe you are missing the more important teaching of the Christ here. Whatever the definition of "Draw" is, it is "Good". And NO one but those "Learned of the Father" receive the "Draw". So it seems the Jesus "of the Bible" was making the case again, that "Men shall not live by bread alone, but by Every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God." This would be "Learned of the Father", Yes?

The religious sect of the Pharisees were "NOT" Learned of the Father. They rejected the "Father's" Judgments and Commandments and created their own Judgments. As a result, they "Professed to know God", but by their "works" they denied Him, and were living instead, by the teaching and traditions of men.

I agree that GOD gives all men a fair shake, is not a respecter of persons, and God has been more than clear regarding how HE feels about men who create religions that behave in the manner expressed above.

Rom. 1: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, "who hold the truth in unrighteousness"; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Somehow, as prophesied BTW, men are foolish enough to believe they can create their own religion, with their own Judgments regarding what is Holy, Just, Clean, Righteous, and Good, even though God has shown them through HIS WORD what happens to men who exalt themselves in this manner.

The Pharisees had the Oracles of God and knew what God had done to those examples who "Taught for doctrines the commandments of men" in the Law and Prophets, and yet somehow believed they could behave in the same manner, and not be treated the "SAME" by God.

Jesus warns of men who "Call "HIM" their Lord and Savior" (Lord, Lord, Matt. 7), but "work iniquity", and/or "Come in His Name preaching that HE is the Christ" (Matt. 24), but teach falsehoods about God (Deceive) If a man is not "Learned of the Father", Jesus doesn't even know them. While this is certainly Biblical Truth, it doesn't make for a good marketing strategy to fill the seats of all the manmade shrines of worship this world's religious businesses have built. So it is not widely taught.

I advocate for a man to "Yield himself" a servant to obey God as Jesus also advocates. "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."

 

[Johann]

I believe you are missing the more important teaching of the Christ here. Whatever the definition of "Draw" is, it is "Good". And NO one but those "Learned of the Father" receive the "Draw". So it seems the Jesus "of the Bible" was making the case again, that "Men shall not live by bread alone, but by Every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God." This would be "Learned of the Father", Yes?

"No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him" God always takes the initiative (cf. John 6:65 and 15:16). All spiritual decisions are the result of the wooing of the Spirit, not mankind's religiosity (cf. Isa. 53:6).

God's sovereignty and a mandated human response are inseparably linked together by the will and mercy of God. This is the OT concept of covenant.

The balance to this "drawing of God" is found in John 12:32 where Jesus "draws all men to Himself."

This drawing reverses the OT pattern of God's people not responding to His prophetic word (examples: Isa. 6:9-13; 29:13; Jeremiah). God now speaks, not through prophets to Israel, but through His Son to all mankind (cf. Heb. 1:1-3).



6:45 "It is written in the prophets" This is a quote from Isa. 54:13 or Jer. 31:34 which describes the internal (new heart, new mind) aspect of the "New Covenant" (cf. Ezek. 36:22-38).

"Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me" It is impossible to claim to know God and reject Jesus (cf. 1 John 5:1-12).



6:46 "Not that any man has seen the Father" Jesus' affirmation is that only through Him can one really understand and know God (cf. John 1:18; 14:6,9). Even Moses never truly saw YHWH (cf. note at John 5:32).

6:47 This verse summarizes Jesus' offer of a free salvation to all humans ("the one believing," PRESENT ACTIVE PARTICIPLE; "eternal life," cf. John 6:51,58; 3:15,16,36; 5:24; 11:26; 20:31). Jesus is the only true revelation of God, the only true door to God (the exclusivism of the gospel, cf. John 10:1-6,7-9; 14:6), but this is available to all sons and daughters of Adam (the inclusivism of the gospel fulfills John 1:4,7,12; 3:16; Gen. 3:15; 12:3).

6:50 This verse, like John 6:31-35, is a play on the meaning of bread, physical bread (manna) and heavenly bread (Jesus). One gives and sustains physical life, but must be repeated and eventually cannot stop death. The other gives and sustains eternal life, but must be accepted and nurtured and puts an immediate end to spiritual death (broken fellowship with God; intimate fellowship with sin and self).



6:51 "I am the living bread" This is one of the famous "I am" statements of John's Gospel (cf. John 6:35,48,51). It was a literary technique of Jesus to focus attention on His person. Salvation, like revelation, is ultimately a person.

"for the life of the world is My flesh" This is a metaphor emphasizing that Jesus Himself, not some food supply, is our central need. This phrase obviously links back to 1:14.

Correct?

 

[Studyman]

"No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him" God always takes the initiative (cf. John 6:65 and 15:16). All spiritual decisions are the result of the wooing of the Spirit, not mankind's religiosity (cf. Isa. 53:6).

God's sovereignty and a mandated human response are inseparably linked together by the will and mercy of God. This is the OT concept of covenant.


The balance to this "drawing of God" is found in John 12:32 where Jesus "draws all men to Himself."

You have your religion, and you are free to promote it. I was simply pointing out that being "Learned of the Father" is more important, according to the Jesus "of the Bible", than the definition of "Draw".

There is no Biblical reason to believe that Jesus' Words in John 12, made void any other Word HE spoke. He would "Draw to Himself" only those who the Father gives Him, who are "Learned of the Father".

I have no religion to defend, preserve and promote therefore it's OK with me that Jesus advocated learning from His Father, like HE did, and like "EVERY Example" of faith in the entire Bible did.

This drawing reverses the OT pattern of God's people not responding to His prophetic word (examples: Isa. 6:9-13; 29:13; Jeremiah). God now speaks, not through prophets to Israel, but through His Son to all mankind (cf. Heb. 1:1-3).

Heb. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days (GOD) spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

There is nothing in Hebrews which promotes your religious philosophy that Jesus came to "Reverse" anything taught in the Law and Prophets. In fact, the Jesus "of the bible" expressly tells His People, not to even "Think" such a thing.

I think if you would study for yourself, instead of trusting various human commentaries, you would find as I did that In Is. 6:9,10 that you reference, who does God sent Isaiah to tell these things, not to Those who, when they knew God, Glorified Him "As God", But to those who when they knew God didn't Glorify Him as God?

Obviously the wise men, Anna, Simeon, Zacharias, John the Baptist, and I'm sure there were more, who were not cursed with this curse.

6:45 "It is written in the prophets" This is a quote from Isa. 54:13 or Jer. 31:34 which describes the internal (new heart, new mind) aspect of the "New Covenant"

Is. 54: 13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

14 In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee. 17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage "of the servants of the LORD", and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

The whole "New Heart and New Mind" has always been what true repentance is, at least according to Scriptures, for the "Servants of the Lord".

Ez. 18: 31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Paul teaches the exact same thing to both Jew and Gentile.

Eph. 4: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

This has always described the Faithful, including Abraham who was also told to leave his old life, and follow God/Christ.



What changed, according to God's definition of HIS Own New Covenant, is the manner in which we receive God's instruction. We now have His Oracles in our own homes, in our own mind. We don't need to go find a Priest to "Hear the Word of God", as they did in the Old Covenant. But we are still required to "Yield ourselves" servant to obey the same God, which creates in us a new man who becomes a Servant of God's Righteousness, and no longer a servant of sin, at least according to Paul.

(cf. Ezek. 36:22-38).

"Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me" It is impossible to claim to know God and reject Jesus (cf. 1 John 5:1-12).

LOL, and yet, that is exactly what the mainstream religion of Jesus Time did. And those men in Matt. 7 who believed in Jesus and called Him their Lord, as well.

1 John 5: 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

There are "many" who come in Christ's Name, who claim to know God and Jesus, that Jesus doesn't know. At least according to HIM.

Titus 1: 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

6:46 "Not that any man has seen the Father" Jesus' affirmation is that only through Him can one really understand and know God (cf. John 1:18; 14:6,9). Even Moses never truly saw YHWH (cf. note at John 5:32).

No, Faith is belief in something not seen. Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, just a couple of examples, had faith in the Christ, and knew who HE was before HE was even born. This is because they had Faith in the God, who they had not seen, who Sent Him, they being "Learned of the Father" through the Prophets, becoming the "servants of the Lord" or as David calls them, "Those whose refuge is the Lord" (Ps. 14). And this before HE even became a man. Men trusted a Redeemer they never saw, believed and obeyed Him to the point of being thrown into a fiery hot furnace or into a lion's den.

The Jesus "of the bible" didn't reverse this process. Man did, because they just don't really believe in Him, rather, an image of Him in the likeness of a handsome, long-haired man.

There is a huge disconnect between the doctrines and traditions of the religions of this world "who come in Christ's Name", and what the Christ of the Bible, and His Father who sent Him, actually taught if the Holy scriptures are our guide.

I would caution you regarding your trust in random internet bible study commentary. Jesus Himself warned about the "Many" who come in His Name". It doesn't seem prudent to ignore His Warnings.

It is written:

Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God "and" our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Thanks for the reply. But if we can't come to an agreement regarding the simple admonition to learn how to live Godly and Righteously in this world from the God and Father of the Lord's Christ that Jesus Learned from, then I'm not sure it would edify anyone for us to continue.

 

[Johann]

You have your religion, and you are free to promote it. I was simply pointing out that being "Learned of the Father" is more important, according to the Jesus "of the Bible", than the definition of "Draw".

There is no Biblical reason to believe that Jesus' Words in John 12, made void any other Word HE spoke. He would "Draw to Himself" only those who the Father gives Him, who are "Learned of the Father".

I have no religion to defend, preserve and promote therefore it's OK with me that Jesus advocated learning from His Father, like HE did, and like "EVERY Example" of faith in the entire Bible did.



Heb. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days (GOD) spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

There is nothing in Hebrews which promotes your religious philosophy that Jesus came to "Reverse" anything taught in the Law and Prophets. In fact, the Jesus "of the bible" expressly tells His People, not to even "Think" such a thing.

I think if you would study for yourself, instead of trusting various human commentaries, you would find as I did that In Is. 6:9,10 that you reference, who does God sent Isaiah to tell these things, not to Those who, when they knew God, Glorified Him "As God", But to those who when they knew God didn't Glorify Him as God?

Obviously the wise men, Anna, Simeon, Zacharias, John the Baptist, and I'm sure there were more, who were not cursed with this curse.




Is. 54: 13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

14 In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee. 17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage "of the servants of the LORD", and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

The whole "New Heart and New Mind" has always been what true repentance is, at least according to Scriptures, for the "Servants of the Lord".

Ez. 18: 31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Paul teaches the exact same thing to both Jew and Gentile.

Eph. 4: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

This has always described the Faithful, including Abraham who was also told to leave his old life, and follow God/Christ.



What changed, according to God's definition of HIS Own New Covenant, is the manner in which we receive God's instruction. We now have His Oracles in our own homes, in our own mind. We don't need to go find a Priest to "Hear the Word of God", as they did in the Old Covenant. But we are still required to "Yield ourselves" servant to obey the same God, which creates in us a new man who becomes a Servant of God's Righteousness, and no longer a servant of sin, at least according to Paul.





LOL, and yet, that is exactly what the mainstream religion of Jesus Time did. And those men in Matt. 7 who believed in Jesus and called Him their Lord, as well.

1 John 5: 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

There are "many" who come in Christ's Name, who claim to know God and Jesus, that Jesus doesn't know. At least according to HIM.

Titus 1: 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.



No, Faith is belief in something not seen. Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, just a couple of examples, had faith in the Christ, and knew who HE was before HE was even born. This is because they had Faith in the God, who they had not seen, who Sent Him, they being "Learned of the Father" through the Prophets, becoming the "servants of the Lord" or as David calls them, "Those whose refuge is the Lord" (Ps. 14). And this before HE even became a man. Men trusted a Redeemer they never saw, believed and obeyed Him to the point of being thrown into a fiery hot furnace or into a lion's den.

The Jesus "of the bible" didn't reverse this process. Man did, because they just don't really believe in Him, rather, an image of Him in the likeness of a handsome, long-haired man.

There is a huge disconnect between the doctrines and traditions of the religions of this world "who come in Christ's Name", and what the Christ of the Bible, and His Father who sent Him, actually taught if the Holy scriptures are our guide.

I would caution you regarding your trust in random internet bible study commentary. Jesus Himself warned about the "Many" who come in His Name". It doesn't seem prudent to ignore His Warnings.

It is written:

Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God "and" our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Thanks for the reply. But if we can't come to an agreement regarding the simple admonition to learn how to live Godly and Righteously in this world from the God and Father of the Lord's Christ that Jesus Learned from, then I'm not sure it would edify anyone for us to continue.

No need to continue-but thank you for your input. Next time I will quote the Scripture references already given

 

[Johann]

I would caution you regarding your trust in random internet bible study commentary. Jesus Himself warned about the "Many" who come in His Name". It doesn't seem prudent to ignore His Warnings.

Thanks for the warning-I have a few selective commentaries which I treasure.

 

[Johann]

Heb. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days (GOD) spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

There is nothing in Hebrews which promotes your religious philosophy that Jesus came to "Reverse" anything taught in the Law and Prophets. In fact, the Jesus "of the bible" expressly tells His People, not to even "Think" such a thing.

Something you have missed-

1:1 "God, after He spoke" "God" is not first (fronted) in the Greek sentence; therefore, this text is not emphasizing the doctrine of revelation, but the manner of revelation in the past (aorist active participle).

"in the prophets"
The Jews believed that prophets wrote Scripture. This is why Moses was considered a prophet (cf. Deut. 18:15) and why the Jews labeled the historical books of Joshua through Kings as the "former prophets." Therefore, this phrase does not refer to the OT prophets only, but to all the OT writers.

The phrase "in (en) the prophets" (v.1) is parallel to "in (en) His son" (v.2). There is an obvious contrast between the two means of revelation. One was a servant and one is a family member. The first was only partial but the second is full and complete (cf. Col. 1:15-17).

NASB "in many portions and in many ways"
NKJV "at various times and in different ways"
NRSV "in many and various ways"
TEV "many times and in many ways"
NJB "at many moments in the past and by many means"

The OT revelation was piece-meal in form and content. This phrase is placed first (fronted) in the Greek text of Heb. 1:1 to show the author's emphasis. Each OT writer had an important, but partial, message.

God revealed Himself:
1. to Moses in a burning bush
2. to the High Priest by the Urim and Thummim
3. to Elijah in a still, small voice
4. to Ezekiel in a vision
5. to Hosea through a bad marriage
6. to Jonah through a fish

1:2 "in these last days" This period of time goes by several names.
1. end of the days, Num. 24:14; Deut. 8:16; Dan. 2:28; 10:14
2. in the last days, Jer. 23:20; 30:24; 49:39; Ezek. 38:8,16; Hos. 3:5; Joel 2:28 (Acts 2:17); John 6:39,40,44,54; 11:24; 12:48; 2 Tim. 3:1; James 5:3
3. in the Last Time, 1 Pet. 1:5
4. at the end of the times, 1 Pet. 1:20
5. during the last of the days, 2 Pet. 3:3
6. the last hour, 1 John 2:18

At the end of the last days is the "day of the Lord" (i.e., "the consummation," Matt. 13:39,40; 24:3; 28:20; Heb. 9:26).

The Jews of the interbiblical period saw two ages: the current evil age of rebellion and sin (starting at Genesis 3) and the coming age of righteousness inaugurated by the coming of the Messiah in the power of the Spirit.

The OT emphasizes the coming of the Messiah in judgment and power to establish the new age. However, it failed to see clearly the first coming of Jesus as (1) the "Suffering Servant" in Isaiah 53; (2) the humble One riding the colt of a donkey in Zech. 9:9; and (3) the pierced One of Zech. 12:10. From NT progressive revelation we know that God planned two comings of the Messiah. The period between the Incarnation (the first coming) and the second coming involves the overlapping of the two Jewish ages. This is designated in the NT by the phrase "last days." We have been in this period for over 2000 years.


"His Son"
The anarthrous phrase "a son" should not be capitalized because the reference here is to the manner of revelation, not a title for Jesus (cf. Heb. 3:5-6; 5:8; 7:28). Jesus is not a servant like Moses or the prophets, but a family member (a son).

"whom He appointed"
This is an aorist active indicative, which implies completed action (aorist tense) in past time (indicative mood). When did God appoint Jesus heir? Was it at His baptism (cf. Matt. 3:17) or resurrection (cf. Rom. 1:4)? This question led to the heresy of "adoptionism" (see Glossary), which said that Jesus became the Messiah at some point in time. This, however, contradicts John 1:1-18; 8:57-58; Phil. 2:6-7; and Col. 1:17. Jesus has always been deity (cf. John 1:1-2); therefore, heirship must even predate the incarnation in an ontological sense.

"heir of all things"
As the "Son of God," the unique son of God (cf. John 3:16), He is the heir (cf. Matt. 21:33-46; Ps. 2:8). The amazing thing is that sinful humanity, through faith in Him, shares His heirship (cf. Heb. 1:14; 6:12; Rom. 8:17; Gal. 4:1-7; 1 Pet. 1:4).

"through whom also He made the world"
It is always difficult to know for certain how related terms are to be interpreted. There is only a certain semantic overlap between synonyms. The technical Greek term for creation out of nothing is ktizô, yet the word in this text is poieô, which meant to form something from a pre-existing substance. Is the author using these terms synonymously or is a specific distinction intended? It is doubtful that a technical distinction is intended because the theological context (i.e., Heb. 1:3) refers to creation by the spoken word (ex nihilo, cf. Gen. 1:6,9,16,20,24,26, but in Heb. 2:7 God formed man). See a new book by John Walton, The Lost world of Genesis One.

The term "world" is literally "ages" (aiônos). This can refer to the earth (cf. Matt. 28:20) or to the ages (i.e., time). Jesus is surely the creator of both (cf. John 1:3; Col. 1:16; 1 Cor. 8:6). The author of Hebrews uses both aiônos (cf. Heb. 1:2; 6:5; 11:3) and kosmos (cf. Heb. 4:3; 9:26; 10:5; 11:7,38), apparently as synonymous terms.


In many times [sundry, various] -- various, many parts and ways, fragmentary (Inference: Jesus gave the whole truth).

and in many ways -- These included visions, symbols, and parables, written in both poetry and prose. Though the literary form and style varied, it was always God’s revelation of what He wanted His people to know.

God spoke to our fathers -- This term does not just refer to the biblical patriarchs (see Mat_23:32; Luk_1:55; Act_3:13, 25; Act_7:38-39, 44–45, 51; 1Co_10:1). Here it refers to any recipient of prophetic words in the OT.

by the prophets -- This designation is not limited to the biblical books of the Prophets; it describes all through whom God spoke.

In many and various drakhim (ways) Hashem in amolike times (olden times) spoke to the Avot by the Nevi'im.
Heb 1:2 At the Ketz HaYamim, Hashem spoke to us by HaBen, whom He appointed Bechor of the Bechorah, Yoresh Kol (Heir of All Things), through whom also Hashem BARAH ES HASHOMAYIM V'ES HA’ARETZ (see Prov 30:4);
Heb 1:3 Who being the Shechinah zohar (brilliance) of Hashem and the exact impress and demut of Hashem's essential nature, being, and reality, and sustaining everything by his Dvar HaKo'ach, after he made tihur (purification) of chatta'im (sins), sat down at LIMIN ("the right hand" TEHILLIM 110:1) of the Majesty on High.

I think you are missing out by not consulting selective scholarly work-wouldn't you say?

 

[Grace ambassador]

Some people believe we are to worship Jesus...

Amen! Biblically, why not? These did:

"Saying, Where is He that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen​

His star in the east, and are come to worship Him." (Matthew 2:2 AV)​

+

"For unto us A Child is born, unto us A Son is given: and the government​

shall be upon His Shoulder: and His Name shall be called Wonderful,​

Counsellor, The Mighty God,..." (Isaiah 9:6 AV)​

Yes, it was, for them, and it is, for us, Correct to worship "The Mighty God!"

Amen!

To The Praise Of The Glory Of His (God's) Grace!!

 

[Johann]

Amen! Biblically, why not? These did:

"Saying, Where is He that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen​

His star in the east, and are come to worship Him." (Matthew 2:2 AV)​

+

"For unto us A Child is born, unto us A Son is given: and the government​

shall be upon His Shoulder: and His Name shall be called Wonderful,​

Counsellor, The Mighty God,..." (Isaiah 9:6 AV)​

Yes, it was, for them, and it is, for us, Correct to worship "The Mighty God!"

Amen!

To The Praise Of The Glory Of His (God's) Grace!!

Our great God and Savior Jesus Christ!
May He be eulogized forever and ever.

 

[Studyman]

Something you have missed-

1:1 "God, after He spoke" "God" is not first (fronted) in the Greek sentence; therefore, this text is not emphasizing the doctrine of revelation, but the manner of revelation in the past (aorist active participle).

"in the prophets"
The Jews believed that prophets wrote Scripture. This is why Moses was considered a prophet (cf. Deut. 18:15) and why the Jews labeled the historical books of Joshua through Kings as the "former prophets." Therefore, this phrase does not refer to the OT prophets only, but to all the OT writers.

The phrase "in (en) the prophets" (v.1) is parallel to "in (en) His son" (v.2). There is an obvious contrast between the two means of revelation. One was a servant and one is a family member. The first was only partial but the second is full and complete (cf. Col. 1:15-17).

NASB "in many portions and in many ways"
NKJV "at various times and in different ways"
NRSV "in many and various ways"
TEV "many times and in many ways"
NJB "at many moments in the past and by many means"

The OT revelation was piece-meal in form and content. This phrase is placed first (fronted) in the Greek text of Heb. 1:1 to show the author's emphasis. Each OT writer had an important, but partial, message.

God revealed Himself:
1. to Moses in a burning bush
2. to the High Priest by the Urim and Thummim
3. to Elijah in a still, small voice
4. to Ezekiel in a vision
5. to Hosea through a bad marriage
6. to Jonah through a fish

1:2 "in these last days" This period of time goes by several names.
1. end of the days, Num. 24:14; Deut. 8:16; Dan. 2:28; 10:14
2. in the last days, Jer. 23:20; 30:24; 49:39; Ezek. 38:8,16; Hos. 3:5; Joel 2:28 (Acts 2:17); John 6:39,40,44,54; 11:24; 12:48; 2 Tim. 3:1; James 5:3
3. in the Last Time, 1 Pet. 1:5
4. at the end of the times, 1 Pet. 1:20
5. during the last of the days, 2 Pet. 3:3
6. the last hour, 1 John 2:18

At the end of the last days is the "day of the Lord" (i.e., "the consummation," Matt. 13:39,40; 24:3; 28:20; Heb. 9:26).

The Jews of the interbiblical period saw two ages: the current evil age of rebellion and sin (starting at Genesis 3) and the coming age of righteousness inaugurated by the coming of the Messiah in the power of the Spirit.

The OT emphasizes the coming of the Messiah in judgment and power to establish the new age. However, it failed to see clearly the first coming of Jesus as (1) the "Suffering Servant" in Isaiah 53; (2) the humble One riding the colt of a donkey in Zech. 9:9; and (3) the pierced One of Zech. 12:10. From NT progressive revelation we know that God planned two comings of the Messiah. The period between the Incarnation (the first coming) and the second coming involves the overlapping of the two Jewish ages. This is designated in the NT by the phrase "last days." We have been in this period for over 2000 years.


"His Son"
The anarthrous phrase "a son" should not be capitalized because the reference here is to the manner of revelation, not a title for Jesus (cf. Heb. 3:5-6; 5:8; 7:28). Jesus is not a servant like Moses or the prophets, but a family member (a son).

"whom He appointed"
This is an aorist active indicative, which implies completed action (aorist tense) in past time (indicative mood). When did God appoint Jesus heir? Was it at His baptism (cf. Matt. 3:17) or resurrection (cf. Rom. 1:4)? This question led to the heresy of "adoptionism" (see Glossary), which said that Jesus became the Messiah at some point in time. This, however, contradicts John 1:1-18; 8:57-58; Phil. 2:6-7; and Col. 1:17. Jesus has always been deity (cf. John 1:1-2); therefore, heirship must even predate the incarnation in an ontological sense.

"heir of all things"
As the "Son of God," the unique son of God (cf. John 3:16), He is the heir (cf. Matt. 21:33-46; Ps. 2:8). The amazing thing is that sinful humanity, through faith in Him, shares His heirship (cf. Heb. 1:14; 6:12; Rom. 8:17; Gal. 4:1-7; 1 Pet. 1:4).

"through whom also He made the world"
It is always difficult to know for certain how related terms are to be interpreted. There is only a certain semantic overlap between synonyms. The technical Greek term for creation out of nothing is ktizô, yet the word in this text is poieô, which meant to form something from a pre-existing substance. Is the author using these terms synonymously or is a specific distinction intended? It is doubtful that a technical distinction is intended because the theological context (i.e., Heb. 1:3) refers to creation by the spoken word (ex nihilo, cf. Gen. 1:6,9,16,20,24,26, but in Heb. 2:7 God formed man). See a new book by John Walton, The Lost world of Genesis One.

The term "world" is literally "ages" (aiônos). This can refer to the earth (cf. Matt. 28:20) or to the ages (i.e., time). Jesus is surely the creator of both (cf. John 1:3; Col. 1:16; 1 Cor. 8:6). The author of Hebrews uses both aiônos (cf. Heb. 1:2; 6:5; 11:3) and kosmos (cf. Heb. 4:3; 9:26; 10:5; 11:7,38), apparently as synonymous terms.


In many times [sundry, various] -- various, many parts and ways, fragmentary (Inference: Jesus gave the whole truth).

and in many ways -- These included visions, symbols, and parables, written in both poetry and prose. Though the literary form and style varied, it was always God’s revelation of what He wanted His people to know.

God spoke to our fathers -- This term does not just refer to the biblical patriarchs (see Mat_23:32; Luk_1:55; Act_3:13, 25; Act_7:38-39, 44–45, 51; 1Co_10:1). Here it refers to any recipient of prophetic words in the OT.

by the prophets -- This designation is not limited to the biblical books of the Prophets; it describes all through whom God spoke.

In many and various drakhim (ways) Hashem in amolike times (olden times) spoke to the Avot by the Nevi'im.
Heb 1:2 At the Ketz HaYamim, Hashem spoke to us by HaBen, whom He appointed Bechor of the Bechorah, Yoresh Kol (Heir of All Things), through whom also Hashem BARAH ES HASHOMAYIM V'ES HA’ARETZ (see Prov 30:4);
Heb 1:3 Who being the Shechinah zohar (brilliance) of Hashem and the exact impress and demut of Hashem's essential nature, being, and reality, and sustaining everything by his Dvar HaKo'ach, after he made tihur (purification) of chatta'im (sins), sat down at LIMIN ("the right hand" TEHILLIM 110:1) of the Majesty on High.

I think you are missing out by not consulting selective scholarly work-wouldn't you say?

That is the exact same position as the Pharisees which didn't believe Jesus' interpretation of Scripture because HE didn't grow up at the feet of Gamaliel, who was the popular religious scholar of their time.

 

[Johann]

That is the exact same position as the Pharisees which didn't believe Jesus' interpretation of Scripture because HE didn't grow up at the feet of Gamaliel, who was the popular religious scholar of their time.

No problemos-I still reckon you are missing out-I am affiliated with the Underground Church in South Africa and appreciate the hallelujahs from the poor disenfranchised people-hungry for just a page of our holy Bible or a commentary.
Adios Amigo.

 

[MatthewG]

Amen! Biblically, why not? These did:

"Saying, Where is He that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen​

His star in the east, and are come to worship Him." (Matthew 2:2 AV)​

+

"For unto us A Child is born, unto us A Son is given: and the government​

shall be upon His Shoulder: and His Name shall be called Wonderful,​

Counsellor, The Mighty God,..." (Isaiah 9:6 AV)​

Yes, it was, for them, and it is, for us, Correct to worship "The Mighty God!"

Amen!

To The Praise Of The Glory Of His (God's) Grace!!

There is nothing wrong with paying homage to Yeshua.,, nor is there anything wrong with him being called the title “mighty God” how one views that in light of scripture and spirit is up to them, or even when it’s mention of “Father.”


”Since the day we heard these things about you, we have continued praying for you. This is what we pray: that God will make you completely sure of what he wants by giving you all the wisdom and spiritual understanding you need; that this will help you live in a way that brings honor to the Lord and pleases him in every way; that your life will produce good works of every kind and that you will grow in your knowledge of God; that God will strengthen you with his own great power so that you will be patient and not give up when troubles come. Then you will be happy and give thanks to the Father. He has made you able to have what he has promised to give all his holy people, who live in the light. God made us free from the power of darkness. And he brought us into the kingdom of his dear Son. The Son paid the price to make us free. In him we have forgiveness of our sins. No one can see God, but the Son is exactly like God. He rules over everything that has been made. Through his power all things were made: things in heaven and on earth, seen and not seen— all spiritual rulers, Lords, powers, and authorities. Everything was made through him and for him. The Son was there before anything was made. And all things continue because of him. He is the head of the body, which is the church. He is the beginning of everything else. And he is the first among all who will be raised from death. So in everything he is most important. God was pleased for all of himself to live in the Son. And through him, God was happy to bring all things back to himself again— things on earth and things in heaven. God made peace by using the blood sacrifice of his Son on the cross. At one time you were separated from God. You were his enemies in your minds, because the evil you did was against him. But now he has made you his friends again. He did this by the death Christ suffered while he was in his body. He did it so that he could present you to himself as people who are holy, blameless, and without anything that would make you guilty before him. And that is what will happen if you continue to believe in the Good News you heard. You must remain strong and sure in your faith. You must not let anything cause you to give up the hope that became yours when you heard the Good News. That same Good News has been told to everyone on earth, and that’s the work that I, Paul, was given to do. I am happy in my sufferings for you. There is much that Christ must still suffer. And I gladly accept my part of those sufferings in my body for the good of his body, the church. I became a servant of the church because God gave me a special work to do. This work helps you. My work is to tell the complete message of God. This message is the secret truth that was hidden since the beginning of time. It was hidden from everyone for ages, but now it has been made known to God’s holy people. God decided to let his people know just how rich and glorious that truth is. That secret truth, which is for all people, is that Christ lives in you, his people. He is our hope for glory. So we continue to tell people about Christ. We use all wisdom to counsel every person and teach every person. We are trying to bring everyone before God as people who have grown to be spiritually mature in Christ. To do this, I work and struggle using the great strength that Christ gives me. That strength is working in my life.“
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1‬:‭9‬-‭29‬ ‭ERV‬‬

Who sits on the throne? How?

Revelation says it’s the Lord God Almighty, only one the the throne; no more right hand man. Jesus said something about sitting with his Father, but that would be when all things come to an end…

”Then the end will come. Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers. Then he will give the kingdom to God the Father. Christ must rule until God puts all enemies under his control. The last enemy to be destroyed will be death. As the Scriptures say, “God put everything under his control.” When it says that “everything” is put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself. God is the one putting everything under Christ’s control. After everything has been put under Christ, then the Son himself will be put under God. God is the one who put everything under Christ. And Christ will be put under God so that God will be the complete ruler over everything. If no one will ever be raised from death, then what will the people do who are baptized for those who have died? If the dead are never raised, then why are people baptized for them? And what about us? Why do we put ourselves in danger every hour? I face death every day. That is true, brothers and sisters, just as it is true that I am proud of what you are because of Christ Jesus our Lord. I fought wild animals in Ephesus. If I did that only for human reasons, then I have gained nothing. If we are not raised from death, “Let us eat and drink, because tomorrow we die.” Don’t be fooled: “Bad friends will ruin good habits.” Come back to your right way of thinking and stop sinning. Some of you don’t know God. I say this to shame you. But someone may ask, “How are the dead raised? What kind of body will they have?” These are stupid questions. When you plant something, it must die in the ground before it can live and grow. And when you plant something, what you plant does not have the same “body” that it will have later. What you plant is only a seed, maybe wheat or something else. But God gives it the body that he has planned for it, and he gives each kind of seed its own body. All things made of flesh are not the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds have another, and fish have yet another kind. Also there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the beauty of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the beauty of the earthly bodies is another. The sun has one kind of beauty, the moon has another kind, and the stars have another. And each star is different in its beauty. It will be the same when those who have died are raised to life. The body that is “planted” in the grave will ruin and decay, but it will be raised to a life that cannot be destroyed. When the body is “planted,” it is without honor. But when it is raised, it will be great and glorious. When the body is “planted,” it is weak. But when it is raised, it will be full of power. The body that is “planted” is a physical body. When it is raised, it will be a spiritual body. There is a physical body. So there is also a spiritual body. As the Scriptures say, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam is a life-giving spirit. The spiritual man did not come first. It was the physical man that came first; then came the spiritual. The first man came from the dust of the earth. The second man came from heaven. All people belong to the earth. They are like that first man of earth. But those who belong to heaven are like that man of heaven. We were made like that man of earth, so we will also be made like that man of heaven. I tell you this, brothers and sisters: Our bodies of flesh and blood cannot have a part in God’s kingdom. Something that will ruin cannot have a part in something that never ruins. But listen, I tell you this secret: We will not all die, but we will all be changed. It will only take the time of a second. We will be changed as quickly as an eye blinks. This will happen when the last trumpet blows. The trumpet will blow and those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we will all be changed. This body that ruins must clothe itself with something that will never ruin. And this body that dies must clothe itself with something that will never die. So this body that ruins will clothe itself with that which never ruins. And this body that dies will clothe itself with that which never dies. When this happens, the Scriptures will be made true: “Death is swallowed in victory.” Isaiah 25:8 “O death, where is your victory? Where is your power to hurt?” Hosea 13:14 Death’s power to hurt is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But we thank God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ! So, my dear brothers and sisters, stand strong. Don’t let anything change you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord. You know that your work in the Lord is never wasted.“
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭24‬-‭58‬ ‭ERV‬‬


”“Write this to the angel of the church in Laodicea: “Here is a message from the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of all that God has made. “I know what you do. You are not hot or cold. I wish that you were hot or cold! But you are only warm—not hot, not cold. So I am ready to spit you out of my mouth. You say you are rich. You think you have become wealthy and don’t need anything. But you don’t know that you are really miserable, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. I advise you to buy gold from me—gold made pure in fire. Then you will be rich. I tell you this: Buy clothes that are white. Then you will be able to cover your shameful nakedness. I also tell you to buy medicine to put on your eyes. Then you will be able to see. “I correct and punish the people I love. So show that nothing is more important to you than living right. Change your hearts and lives. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in and eat with you. And you will eat with me. “I will let everyone who wins the victory sit with me on my throne. It was the same with me. I won the victory and sat down with my Father on his throne. Everyone who hears this should listen to what the Spirit says to the churches.”“
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3‬:‭14‬-‭22‬ ‭ERV‬‬

”Then I looked, and there before me was an open door in heaven. And I heard the same voice that spoke to me before. It was the voice that sounded like a trumpet. It said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after this.” Immediately the Spirit took control of me, and there in heaven was a throne with someone sitting on it. The one sitting there was as beautiful as precious stones, like jasper and carnelian. All around the throne was a rainbow with clear colors like an emerald. In a circle around the throne were 24 other thrones with 24 elders sitting on them. The elders were dressed in white, and they had golden crowns on their heads. Lightning flashes and noises of thunder came from the throne. Before the throne there were seven lamps burning, which are the seven Spirits of God. Also before the throne there was something that looked like a sea of glass, as clear as crystal. In front of the throne and on each side of it there were four living beings. They had eyes all over them, in front and in back. The first living being was like a lion. The second was like a bull. The third had a face like a man. The fourth was like a flying eagle. Each of these four living beings had six wings. They were covered all over with eyes, inside and out. Day and night they never stopped saying, “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God All-Powerful. He always was, he is, and he is coming.” These living beings were giving glory and honor and thanks to the one who sits on the throne, the one who lives forever and ever. And every time they did this, the 24 elders bowed down before the one who sits on the throne. They worshiped him who lives forever and ever. They put their crowns down before the throne and said, “Our Lord and God! You are worthy to receive glory and honor and power. You made all things. Everything existed and was made because you wanted it.”“
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭4‬:‭1‬-‭11‬ ‭ERV

 

[Johann]

Who sits on the throne? How?

Scripture references where Jesus is seated next to God include Hebrews 1:3, 12:2; 1 Peter 3:22; Acts 7:55-56, Philippians 2:9-11, Ephesians 1:19-22, and Mark 14:62. These passages affirm that Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of the Father, signifying His equal status within the Godhead and His authority over all things. The seating of Jesus at God's right hand symbolizes His power, dominion, majesty, and glory, highlighting His role as the King of kings and Lord of lords, actively exercising His authority as our Chief Prophet, Priest, and King. This position emphasizes the deity of Christ and His eternal equality with the Father, deserving the same worship and praise.

 

[MatthewG]

Scripture references where Jesus is seated next to God include Hebrews 1:3, 12:2; 1 Peter 3:22; Acts 7:55-56, Philippians 2:9-11, Ephesians 1:19-22, and Mark 14:62. These passages affirm that Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of the Father, signifying His equal status within the Godhead and His authority over all things. The seating of Jesus at God's right hand symbolizes His power, dominion, majesty, and glory, highlighting His role as the King of kings and Lord of lords, actively exercising His authority as our Chief Prophet, Priest, and King. This position emphasizes the deity of Christ and His eternal equality with the Father, deserving the same worship and praise.

Yes… he of course is only there for a time… until…

Unless you only see it as a significant symbolic thing….

If you know that though; I do not.

”Then the end will come. Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers. Then he will give the kingdom to God the Father. Christ must rule until God puts all enemies under his control. The last enemy to be destroyed will be death. As the Scriptures say, “God put everything under his control.” When it says that “everything” is put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself. God is the one putting everything under Christ’s control. After everything has been put under Christ, then the Son himself will be put under God. God is the one who put everything under Christ. And Christ will be put under God so that God will be the complete ruler over everything. If no one will ever be raised from death, then what will the people do who are baptized for those who have died? If the dead are never raised, then why are people baptized for them? And what about us? Why do we put ourselves in danger every hour? I face death every day. That is true, brothers and sisters, just as it is true that I am proud of what you are because of Christ Jesus our Lord. I fought wild animals in Ephesus. If I did that only for human reasons, then I have gained nothing. If we are not raised from death, “Let us eat and drink, because tomorrow we die.” Don’t be fooled: “Bad friends will ruin good habits.” Come back to your right way of thinking and stop sinning. Some of you don’t know God. I say this to shame you.“
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭24‬-‭34‬ ‭ERV‬‬

1 Corinthians 15:24-34 Then the end will come. Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers. Then he will give the kingdom to God the Father. Christ must rule until God puts all enemies under his control. The las | Holy Bible: Easy-to-Read

Then the end will come. Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers. Then he will give the kingdom to God the Father. Christ must rule until God puts all enemies under his control. The las

bible.com

 

[Johann]

Some people believe we are to worship Jesus, some people believe we are to worship God? Does the bible tell us anything about which one should be worshipped? What are your reasons you either worship Jesus or worship God, and is there any biblical reasonings to look at?

Here are several New Testament passages where Jesus is worshipped:

1. **Matthew 2:11**: The Magi worship the infant Jesus.
> "On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshipped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh."

2. **Matthew 14:33**: After Jesus walks on water, the disciples worship him.
> "Then those who were in the boat worshipped him, saying, 'Truly you are the Son of God.'"

3. **Matthew 28:9**: After the resurrection, the women worship Jesus.
> "Suddenly Jesus met them. 'Greetings,' he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshipped him."

4. **Matthew 28:17**: The disciples worship Jesus in Galilee.
> "When they saw him, they worshipped him; but some doubted."

5. **Luke 24:52**: After Jesus' ascension, the disciples worship him.
> "Then they worshipped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy."

6. **John 9:38**: A man healed by Jesus worships him.
> "Then the man said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshipped him."

7. **Hebrews 1:6**: Angels are commanded to worship Jesus.
> "And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God’s angels worship him.'"

8. **Revelation 5:11-14**: In a vision, John sees all creation worshipping Jesus.
> "Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they were saying: 'Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!' Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!' The four living creatures said, 'Amen,' and the elders fell down and worshipped."



#### Hebrew Words for Worship

1. **שָׁחָה (Shachah)**: This verb means "to bow down" or "to prostrate oneself." It is often used in contexts of reverence, submission, or homage to God or kings.
- Example: **Psalm 95:6** - "Come, let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the LORD our Maker."

2. **עָבַד (Avad)**: This verb means "to serve" or "to work," and in a worship context, it often implies serving God.
- Example: **Exodus 3:12** - "And God said, 'I will be with you. And this will be the sign to you that it is I who have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you will worship God on this mountain.'"

3. **בָּרַךְ (Barak)**: This verb means "to bless," and it can also carry the sense of kneeling in an act of adoration or praise.
- Example: **Psalm 103:1** - "Bless the LORD, O my soul; and all that is within me, bless his holy name."

#### Concepts of Worship in the Hebrew Bible

1. **Reverence and Submission**: Worship involves a deep respect and submission to God's sovereignty. The act of bowing down signifies the worshipper's recognition of God's authority and majesty.

2. **Service and Obedience**: Worship in the Hebrew Bible is not only about ritual acts but also encompasses a life of obedience and service to God. True worship is reflected in following God's commandments and living according to His will.

3. **Sacrifice and Offering**: Worship often includes sacrifices and offerings as expressions of devotion and repentance. These acts are meant to honor God and seek His favor.
- Example: **Leviticus 1:3** - "If the offering is a burnt offering from the herd, you are to offer a male without defect. You must present it at the entrance to the tent of meeting so that it will be acceptable to the LORD."

4. **Praise and Thanksgiving**: Worship includes praising God for His attributes and thanking Him for His blessings. This is evident in many of the Psalms, which are hymns of praise and thanksgiving.
- Example: **Psalm 100:4** - "Enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and praise his name."

5. **Communal and Individual Aspects**: Worship can be both a communal activity, as seen in temple worship and festivals, and an individual practice, such as personal prayers and psalms.
- Example: **Nehemiah 8:6** - "Ezra praised the LORD, the great God; and all the people lifted their hands and responded, 'Amen! Amen!' Then they bowed down and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground."

In summary, worship in the Hebrew Bible is a multifaceted concept involving acts of reverence, service, sacrifice, praise, and thanksgiving, both individually and communally, directed towards acknowledging and honoring God.

I believe our Lord Jesus Christ ought to receive worship forever and ever @MatthewG

 

[civic]

Here are several New Testament passages where Jesus is worshipped:

1. **Matthew 2:11**: The Magi worship the infant Jesus.
> "On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshipped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh."

2. **Matthew 14:33**: After Jesus walks on water, the disciples worship him.
> "Then those who were in the boat worshipped him, saying, 'Truly you are the Son of God.'"

3. **Matthew 28:9**: After the resurrection, the women worship Jesus.
> "Suddenly Jesus met them. 'Greetings,' he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshipped him."

4. **Matthew 28:17**: The disciples worship Jesus in Galilee.
> "When they saw him, they worshipped him; but some doubted."

5. **Luke 24:52**: After Jesus' ascension, the disciples worship him.
> "Then they worshipped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy."

6. **John 9:38**: A man healed by Jesus worships him.
> "Then the man said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshipped him."

7. **Hebrews 1:6**: Angels are commanded to worship Jesus.
> "And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God’s angels worship him.'"

8. **Revelation 5:11-14**: In a vision, John sees all creation worshipping Jesus.
> "Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they were saying: 'Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!' Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!' The four living creatures said, 'Amen,' and the elders fell down and worshipped."



#### Hebrew Words for Worship

1. **שָׁחָה (Shachah)**: This verb means "to bow down" or "to prostrate oneself." It is often used in contexts of reverence, submission, or homage to God or kings.
- Example: **Psalm 95:6** - "Come, let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the LORD our Maker."

2. **עָבַד (Avad)**: This verb means "to serve" or "to work," and in a worship context, it often implies serving God.
- Example: **Exodus 3:12** - "And God said, 'I will be with you. And this will be the sign to you that it is I who have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you will worship God on this mountain.'"

3. **בָּרַךְ (Barak)**: This verb means "to bless," and it can also carry the sense of kneeling in an act of adoration or praise.
- Example: **Psalm 103:1** - "Bless the LORD, O my soul; and all that is within me, bless his holy name."

#### Concepts of Worship in the Hebrew Bible

1. **Reverence and Submission**: Worship involves a deep respect and submission to God's sovereignty. The act of bowing down signifies the worshipper's recognition of God's authority and majesty.

2. **Service and Obedience**: Worship in the Hebrew Bible is not only about ritual acts but also encompasses a life of obedience and service to God. True worship is reflected in following God's commandments and living according to His will.

3. **Sacrifice and Offering**: Worship often includes sacrifices and offerings as expressions of devotion and repentance. These acts are meant to honor God and seek His favor.
- Example: **Leviticus 1:3** - "If the offering is a burnt offering from the herd, you are to offer a male without defect. You must present it at the entrance to the tent of meeting so that it will be acceptable to the LORD."

4. **Praise and Thanksgiving**: Worship includes praising God for His attributes and thanking Him for His blessings. This is evident in many of the Psalms, which are hymns of praise and thanksgiving.
- Example: **Psalm 100:4** - "Enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and praise his name."

5. **Communal and Individual Aspects**: Worship can be both a communal activity, as seen in temple worship and festivals, and an individual practice, such as personal prayers and psalms.
- Example: **Nehemiah 8:6** - "Ezra praised the LORD, the great God; and all the people lifted their hands and responded, 'Amen! Amen!' Then they bowed down and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground."

In summary, worship in the Hebrew Bible is a multifaceted concept involving acts of reverence, service, sacrifice, praise, and thanksgiving, both individually and communally, directed towards acknowledging and honoring God.

I believe our Lord Jesus Christ ought to receive worship forever and ever @MatthewG

Amen to the truth

 

[Believe]

As Christians we believe that Jesus is the Logos, God incarnate (God in human form), God the Son, and "true God and true man"—fully divine and fully human.

Is Jesus God? Why should I believe that Jesus is God? | GotQuestions.org

Is Jesus God? Why should I believe that Jesus is God? Is Jesus God in the flesh?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[civic]

As Christians we believe that Jesus is the Logos, God incarnate (God in human form), God the Son, and "true God and true man"—fully divine and fully human.

Is Jesus God? Why should I believe that Jesus is God? | GotQuestions.org

Is Jesus God? Why should I believe that Jesus is God? Is Jesus God in the flesh?

www.gotquestions.org

And all Gods children said AMEN !

 

[Behold]

Some people believe we are to worship Jesus, some people believe we are to worship God?

Jesus said...."you believe in God, believe ALSO....in ME"

Jesus said., ,"I and my Father are ONE"

Jesus said..>"when you've seen ME... you've SEEN.................the Father".

 

[MatthewG]

Here are several New Testament passages where Jesus is worshipped:

1. **Matthew 2:11**: The Magi worship the infant Jesus.
> "On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshipped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh."

2. **Matthew 14:33**: After Jesus walks on water, the disciples worship him.
> "Then those who were in the boat worshipped him, saying, 'Truly you are the Son of God.'"

3. **Matthew 28:9**: After the resurrection, the women worship Jesus.
> "Suddenly Jesus met them. 'Greetings,' he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshipped him."

4. **Matthew 28:17**: The disciples worship Jesus in Galilee.
> "When they saw him, they worshipped him; but some doubted."

5. **Luke 24:52**: After Jesus' ascension, the disciples worship him.
> "Then they worshipped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy."

6. **John 9:38**: A man healed by Jesus worships him.
> "Then the man said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshipped him."

7. **Hebrews 1:6**: Angels are commanded to worship Jesus.
> "And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God’s angels worship him.'"

8. **Revelation 5:11-14**: In a vision, John sees all creation worshipping Jesus.
> "Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they were saying: 'Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!' Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!' The four living creatures said, 'Amen,' and the elders fell down and worshipped."



#### Hebrew Words for Worship

1. **שָׁחָה (Shachah)**: This verb means "to bow down" or "to prostrate oneself." It is often used in contexts of reverence, submission, or homage to God or kings.
- Example: **Psalm 95:6** - "Come, let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the LORD our Maker."

2. **עָבַד (Avad)**: This verb means "to serve" or "to work," and in a worship context, it often implies serving God.
- Example: **Exodus 3:12** - "And God said, 'I will be with you. And this will be the sign to you that it is I who have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you will worship God on this mountain.'"

3. **בָּרַךְ (Barak)**: This verb means "to bless," and it can also carry the sense of kneeling in an act of adoration or praise.
- Example: **Psalm 103:1** - "Bless the LORD, O my soul; and all that is within me, bless his holy name."

#### Concepts of Worship in the Hebrew Bible

1. **Reverence and Submission**: Worship involves a deep respect and submission to God's sovereignty. The act of bowing down signifies the worshipper's recognition of God's authority and majesty.

2. **Service and Obedience**: Worship in the Hebrew Bible is not only about ritual acts but also encompasses a life of obedience and service to God. True worship is reflected in following God's commandments and living according to His will.

3. **Sacrifice and Offering**: Worship often includes sacrifices and offerings as expressions of devotion and repentance. These acts are meant to honor God and seek His favor.
- Example: **Leviticus 1:3** - "If the offering is a burnt offering from the herd, you are to offer a male without defect. You must present it at the entrance to the tent of meeting so that it will be acceptable to the LORD."

4. **Praise and Thanksgiving**: Worship includes praising God for His attributes and thanking Him for His blessings. This is evident in many of the Psalms, which are hymns of praise and thanksgiving.
- Example: **Psalm 100:4** - "Enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and praise his name."

5. **Communal and Individual Aspects**: Worship can be both a communal activity, as seen in temple worship and festivals, and an individual practice, such as personal prayers and psalms.
- Example: **Nehemiah 8:6** - "Ezra praised the LORD, the great God; and all the people lifted their hands and responded, 'Amen! Amen!' Then they bowed down and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground."

In summary, worship in the Hebrew Bible is a multifaceted concept involving acts of reverence, service, sacrifice, praise, and thanksgiving, both individually and communally, directed towards acknowledging and honoring God.

I believe our Lord Jesus Christ ought to receive worship forever and ever @MatthewG

My friend. I don’t care if Jesus was worshiped in that way you think he was…

Many people are simply wrong, due to the context of worship - in basically seeing someone higher than oneself, and therefore they fall to their knees, many times that happens to Jesus in the narrative…

But he talks about worship which is to worship in spirit and in truth… to know the True God and the one whom he had sent…


People can continue to say we must worship Jesus also…. I would great disagree…

There is only one on the throne to be worshiped… that is the Father, whom is greater than Jesus himself… whom sits on the same throne as his Father.

(Don’t get me wrong either, I respect and honor Christ as someone higher than myself, but I must follow this directives.)

Coequal? Coeternal? Idk, never seen it in the Bible… there is always a set order…

If we don’t wanna follow a set order then one simply only has to choose not to do so…

Worship Yahweh? The one whom sent his Word? Or Worship his sent word, and ignore the stated words given… a choice all much decide for themselves to make.

 

[civic]

My friend. I don’t care if Jesus was worshiped in that way you think he was…

Many people are simply wrong, due to the context of worship - in basically seeing someone higher than oneself, and therefore they fall to their knees, many times that happens to Jesus in the narrative…

But he talks about worship which is to worship in spirit and in truth… to know the True God and the one whom he had sent…


People can continue to say we must worship Jesus also…. I would great disagree…

There is only one on the throne to be worshiped… that is the Father, whom is greater than Jesus himself… whom sits on the same throne as his Father.

(Don’t get me wrong either, I respect and honor Christ as someone higher than myself, but I must follow this directives.)

Coequal? Coeternal? Idk, never seen it in the Bible… there is always a set order…

If we don’t wanna follow a set order then one simply only has to choose not to do so…

Worship Yahweh? The one whom sent his Word? Or Worship his sent word, and ignore the stated words given… a choice all much decide for themselves to make.

I don’t care how you think the Father was or is worshipped, the fact is Jesus is given the same worship by the angels and believers.

Even the demons treble with fear and plead for His mercy as their Creator.

Next