@Jereemiah
Talk about being anti-biblical, anti-scriptural.
Using Lee Corso's famous line...
"Not so fast, my friend, not so fast!" I tagged your name
deliberately, knowing you would respond, because I desire you to do so, so we can talk about this more in depth. At least,
to your credit, you always attempt to support your position with scriptures and I can appreciate at least that coming from a person, it is certainly commendable, and that's why we are here. I have never seen you attack the person, but their understanding of the scriptures. Another thing that I do like about you, and believe me, that I have noticed is this, I never seen you where I thought anyone got under your skins, I can tell by your responding post back, and that's commendable, again proves your sincerity in what you believe, regardless right, or wrong, which I'm convinced is terribly wrong, of believing only in the Jews
"by nature only as" God's people.
The Old Testament isn't superstition. Jesus obeyed the Law of Moses and the Prophets. He taught the Old Testament, specifically the Law of Mose to His people the Jews. He also directed other Jews in the gospel to obey the Law of Moses.
6 And these words [Old Testament], which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
Deuteronomy 6:6–9.
Jeremiah, I never said they were, and yes as a Jew born under the law, Jesus lived as the Jews lived in relation to God's law, living in them without sinning,
so much more than just living blameless in them, and many righteous children of God did.
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Acts 24:14.
I love this scripture and have used it as a
identifier at the bottom of my posit to let folks know why I'm here and what I believe. Jeremiah, I said above:
First, I never have said that there are not laws in the OT that are not spiritual, holy, and good, for they are, and these law are a rule by which Saints governed their life by, not in order to obtain eternal, but because there are no laws more spiritual than the laws of God summed up in the ten commandments. That's a given. But there were certain laws given only to Israel and only until the time of reformation going from the OT covenant unto the NT covenant. We must be able to divide the scriptures properly to know which ones were only mean to be until Christ and only for Israel and the reason why this is so.
Saul also said without the Law no one could be saved, no one could come to faith in Christ.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Galatians 3:24.
Jeremiah, (I highlighted "Our") you are not understanding Galatians 3:24 correctly. First, you are using the word saved in a
very limited sense, then the scriptures allows us to do so. Assuming you are here speaking of being to be saved from one's sins and eternal condemnation?
One of the main purpose of God's law is to be a schoolmaster
for God's children, teaching "
THEM" their necessity of trusting "
only" in Jesus Christ their surety,
life of perfect faith and obedience and his death to pay for their sins, as the only source of their free justification before God law. Once they come to this understanding, then they are no longer under the schoolmaster in this area, since if they understood properly, then they move on to be teachers themselves for young believers. Now, that's not to say, we are not under it
as a rule of conduct,
for we are, for it is the
Royal law, or standard to live by, for there's is not a more godly standard of righteousness given unto men to be their perfect guide in living unto God is an manner in which he is well please with. But, the wise would know
never even for a minute think that we are using it as a means to gain eternal life, for that is defeating the very purpose for which it was given per Galatians 3:24. The only faith
legally speaking that justifies the sinner is Christ's faith,
not the sinners ~justification is use in different sense, one is there's a justification that takes place in our conscience once we come to a perfect understanding (by having a true knowledge of God's law) of our legal justification ~ in our conscience, we a enjoy the sweet peace of knowing that we have a full and complete pardon based upon Jesus' perfect life of faith and obedience And if we believe, and even this faith taht we have is the faith of Christ imparted to our new man at our spiritual birth by the Spirit of God.
Galatians 2:20
“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and
the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 2:21
“I do not frustrate the grace of God: for
if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
Without God's Word NO ONE can be saved:
This is true "
only" in a practical sense, for that's the very means of our faith, for faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Yet, a man is born again
solely by the power of God's Spirit without any means whatsoever, for this is the only hope of all men, especially so where the gospel is not preached. Man is dead in trespasses and sin and must
first be given spiritual life by the Spirit of God
"before" he can hear, see, and understand, that should be understood without even stressing the truth of this, knowing man's natural state by nature ~ but sad to say, it is no more understood as it was in days past.
Take away the Law of Moses and the Old Testament and you are left with nothing. And because you take away God's Word you will be unable to recognize Christ when He returns and may most likely be receiving the mark of the Beast and him shall you serve. What a shame. But the Lord knows them that are His. All the New Covenant writings are is the Law of Moses fulfilled by Christ. The New Covenant writings are a witness and testimony of the Old Testament and the Law of Moses that through discussion and comparative study of the Old Testament and the Law of Moses these men named Saul, Peter, James, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, are only discussion of the New Covenant era Israel found herself in. In order to discern whether one is in the faith and is in fellowship with the Almighty is to look into the Old Testament and the Law of Moses for it is there where we find the Church of the Living God; it is there where we find His Betrothed, His Bride, and it is there where the witness of Israel's Messiah, Lord, and Savior, and King is found so that when He comes we shall see Him as He is [described in Scripture] so that we do not sin against God and serve other gods that some have put before themselves.
No one is advocating taking away OT scriptures far from that. For all scriptures are given by inspiration of God is is profitable, we are just advocating rightly diving them, nothing more, and certainly nothing less.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Romans 7:14.
The Law is spiritual and meant for spiritual men and women of the Lord. It is not for the carnal, for the carnal Gentile who thinks and believes he or she is saved when they throw out more than half of God's written word. It is God's Word to Israel, to His Chosen people. And it is His Word, the Old Testament and the Law of Moses which God Himself has elevated highest than His own Name:
For thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. Psalm 138:2.
But to you God's Word is superstition. It is like salt that has lost its taste. And you have fulfilled prophecy and trampled it underfoot.
I think by now the air should be clear enough to see that I preach/teach just as Paul did in Romans 7:14, for I know that to be so, yet, I also know how to rightly divide scriptures and give them their God given true biblical sense, so as not to confuse the simple and corrupt God's word by my lack of ability to rightly divided them.
Saul was a rabbi and Pharisee and member of the Sanhedrin. He studied the Old Testament Law and the Prophets and this is HOW he was able to write his letters to Jews and Jewish Christians scattered throughout the Gentile world. And because Saul elevated God's Word and studied it in order to make sense and to understand the New Covenant era Israel found herself in he was able to explain from the Old Testament to the Jew what the New Covenant was all about, how it fit in with God's plan for Israel for it is a covenant between God and only Israel. As Jeremiah said:
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:31.
This New Covenant that is found in the Old Testament clearly states the New Covenant is a covenant between the God of Abraham and the House of Israel and the House of Judah. And as you can see this New Covenant doesn't include Gentiles.
Jeremiah
, his Gentile name is Paul which he went by, thank you very much! Not going to get into the subject of limited the gospel to the natural seed of Abraham, for that's not the purpose of this thread. The new covenant does include the Gentiles nations, not in your doctrine but in the scriptures. I will
only add this for now: The house of Israel (Gentiles) and the house of Judah, (the natural children of Abraham), are the two witnesses of God, etc., God use the northern kingdoms to typify the Gentiles nation in the OT prophecy is very clear and I have shown this to you in another thread, so not going to rehash it here in this one at the present time.
He is the same Spirit who has given me revelation of God's Word as He gave Saul revelation of God's Word. Through the Holy Spirit and through study of the Old Testament Law of Moses Saul was able to write his understanding about the New Covenant by studying the Old Covenant and the Law and the Prophets. I do the same thing as he and he does the same thing as I.
Too bad for you. Jesus taught us that whatever is in a man's heart will [eventually] come from out his mouth. By saying the Old Testament and the Law of Moses is "superstition" you are revealing your own heart and the salvation you claim as "superstitious" something that is not true, has never happened.
But Jesus told us about scoffers in the last days. He warned us they would rise up from within not from without.
And I have found one today.
I just spent time showing you that you need to read more to see exactly what we are saying, do not cherry pick and run with that and try to make us say something that we are not saying, not do we believe. Now you can show yourself to be a noble Christian by reading this post and confess what I am saying is we do not look to Moses for justification of our sins, but to Christ
alone. We do not live by certain law in the OT mainly ones that governed he dietary laws of Israel, and many of their ordinances that were meant
only for them and
only until the true biblical reformation that took place from Christ's death until the scriptures were completed around Paul's days as far as his epistles goes, John's book of Revelation came later.
