Animal Sacrifices

I'm definitely going to have to get into this bread tomorrow. I have some nice calm refreshing replies that I hope no one is offended by. But I can think of one animal sacrifice that God was directly involved in. That would be the one with Joseph and his son Isaac. I'm sure everyone knows the store I don't have to elaborate.

 
Animal sacrifices were to ancient Jews what prayer services are to their modern descendants:
the most popular expression of divine worship. About 150 of the Torah's 613 laws deal with
sacrifices. Maimonides, the greatest medieval Jewish philosopher, believed that animal sacrifices
were instituted to wean people from the ancient and horrific practice of human sacrifice. In fact,
when God stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaac (Genesis 22:11-13), the patriarch immediately
sacrificed a ram instead.
The most famous sacrifice was the one offered on Passover, and known as the Paschal lamb.
It commemorated God's deliverance of the Jews from Egyptian slavery. A Jew would bring a
lamb to the "Temple/Beit ha-Mikdash in Jerusalem, and give it to a priest, who would slaughter
the animal, sprinkle its blood upon the alter, and burn its entails and fat. The remainder would
be returned to the person who had donated the lamb. The animal was then taken back to the
donor's family which would eat the lamb, along with matzah, bitter herbs and other foods.
The festive meal was interspersed with lengthy discussions of the Exodus from Egypt. The roasted
shankbone that Jews still place on the Seder plate on Passover commemorates this Paschal lamb.
In general, some parts of the sacrificed animal were reserved for the priests to eat; others were given
to the person who brought the sacrifice. One kind of sacrifice, however, involved the animal being
wholly burned, and came to be known in English as a holocaust.
Only kosher, domesticated animals---cattle, sheep, goats, and birds---could be used for sacrifices.
The rabbis explained: "The bull flees from the lion, the sheep from the wolf, the goat from the tiger."
Said the Holy One, blessed be He, 'You shall not bring before Me such as pursue, but only such
as are pursued' (Vayikra Rabbah 27). By law, the sacrificed animals had to be without blemish
(Leviticus 3:6 and 22:17-25)

Shalom
Does the Lamb of God mean anything to you?
God provided that lamb Abraham sacrificed.

Here you are appealing to Rabbis and God was appealing to the Lamb of God Christ that replaced Isaac... Yeshua saving Isaac...

This why I fight the fight I do against your Rabbis and traditional positions. They dishonor Christ. I love Christ. He matters to me.

I know your teachings well. See Christ in all things. Put Him first.
 
Messianic Judaism does not deny Yeshua in our theology. YHWH, Yeshua, and the ruach ha-kodesh (Holy Spirit)
which comprises the Holy Trinity (hashilush hakadosh) is the main component to our theology.
You only partially acknowledge His value in your theology. It is not enough. He will have the Preeminance in all things.
 
You only partially acknowledge His value in your theology. It is not enough. He will have the Preeminance in all things.
How do you define value? Is this some legalistic term I need to be familiar with? You do not know the value/importance Messianic Jews place on YHWH, Yeshua, and the Ruach ha-kodesh (Holy Spirit) because you are not a Messianic Jew or Messianic gentile. We place extreme high importance on Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That is the essence of our being and dependence on the Holy Trinity. Your legalism knows no limits.
Who set you up as the theology police anyway?

Lilia Tov
 
How do you define value? Is this some legalistic term I need to be familiar with? You do not know the value/importance Messianic Jews place on YHWH, Yeshua, and the Ruach ha-kodesh (Holy Spirit) because you are not a Messianic Jew or Messianic gentile. We place extreme high importance on Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That is the essence of our being and dependence on the Holy Trinity. Your legalism knows no limits.
Who set you up as the theology police anyway?

Lilia Tov
Don't listen to me. Have it your way. If you want to discuss this, at least engage on what I said about Christ having the Preeminance in all things.
You began with your Rabbis. Not Christ. By doing so, you missed the obvious.

By the way Paul and Luke were Messianic. So were Apollos, Peter and all the other authors of the NT. I can read their words. I don't need a Rabbi.
 
Don't listen to me. Have it your way. If you want to discuss this, at least engage on what I said about Christ having the Preeminance in all things.
You began with your Rabbis. Not Christ. By doing so, you missed the obvious.

By the way Paul and Luke were Messianic. So were Apollos, Peter and all the other authors of the NT. I can read their words. I don't need a Rabbi.
You might need a rabbi with your legalism issues. Messiah Yeshua does have the preeminence in all things and that's not the issue.
The Messianic rabbis are teachers/instructors just like your protestant ministers. I'm not equating a rabbi to Yeshua. That's insanely
ridiculous. Well, I'm so happy you can read the B'rit Hadashah then I won't have to explain it to you. If you don't need a rabbi to understand
the B'rit Hadashah then you probably don't need a protestant preacher either.
By the way I haven't missed anything.
 
You might need a rabbi with your legalism issues. Messiah Yeshua does have the preeminence in all things and that's not the issue.
The Messianic rabbis are teachers/instructors just like your protestant ministers. I'm not equating a rabbi to Yeshua. That's insanely
ridiculous. Well, I'm so happy you can read the B'rit Hadashah then I won't have to explain it to you. If you don't need a rabbi to understand
the B'rit Hadashah then you probably don't need a protestant preacher either.
By the way I haven't missed anything.
I haven't followed anyone but the apostles for a very long time.

Your referenced.Rabbis instead of the apostles. You place priority upon your Rabbi of choice
 
There is much misunderstanding when comes to animal sacrifices under the Old Covenant. Traditional Christians usually teach that the offering of the blood of animals provided a "covering" to mankind. Which isn't true. There are no Scriptures that even imply such an application. We know that God has never taken pleasure in the blood of animals. Never.

So what is it about "animals sacrifices"? What was the value of animal sacrifices?

It really is simple. So simple that, that unless you truly put Christ first, you will never know why. Which is the danger of Messianic Judaism. While they "claim" to extol the value of Jesus Christ, they deny it in their theology. Christ always takes a "backseat" to their "love" for what condemns them. It is rooted in their lack of self awareness and their lack of value in Jesus Christ.

Animals were unwillingly subjected to the "plight" of man. The very things crafted by God to help man..... SUFFERING for man. Man, himself, was required to execute judgement against innocent animals for their own sins. Which is an allegory to Christ willingly subjecting Himself to the judgement of men in the Crucifiction. There was ZERO merit in the atoning value of animals. There was never any doubt that the ONLY actual merit of the shedding of blood would be found in God dying for humanity. The selfless sacrifice of animals was so design that man might use his own self awareness to gather just a little sense of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ long before it ever took place.
Animal sacrifices were to ancient Jews what the prayer services are to their modern descendants: the most popular
expression of divine worship. About 150 of the Torah's 613 laws deal with sacrifices. "Maimonides, the greatest
medieval Jewish philosopher, believed that animal sacrifices were instituted to wean people from the ancient and
horrific practice of human sacrifice. In fact, when God stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaac (B'resheet 22:11-13),
the Patriarch immediately sacrificed a ram instead. The most famous sacrifice was the one offered on Passover, and
known as the Paschal lamb. It commemorated God's deliverance of the Jews from Egyptian slavery. A Jew would bring
a lamb to the Temple/Beit ha-Mikdash in Jerusalem, and give it to a priest, who would slaughter the animal, sprinkle
its blood upon the altar, and burn the entails and fat. The remainder would be returned to the person who had
donated the lamb. The animal was then taken back to the donor's family, which would eat the lamb, along with
matzah, bitter herbs, and other foods. The festive meal was interspersed with lengthy discussions of the Exodus
from Egypt. The roasted shankbone that Jews still place on the Seder plate on Passover commemorates this
Paschal lamb.
Some sacrifices were brought every morning and afternoon. To this day, the morning and evening religious services
(shakharit and minkha) commemorate these daily Temple offerings. Because the afternoon sacrifice was offered
about 12:30 P.M., Jewish law forbids minkha to be prayed before then. Other sacrifices were offered by those
wishing to atone for violations of the Torah laws through negligence. Still others were gift-offerings to God.
In general, some parts of the sacrificed animal were reserved for the priests to eat; others were given to the person
who brought the sacrifice. One kind of sacrifice, however, involved the animal being wholly burned, and came
to be known in English as a holocaust.
Only Kosher, domesticated animals---cattle, sheep, goats, and birds---could be used for sacrifices. The rabbis explained:
"The bulls flees from the lion, the sheep from the wolf, the goat from the tiger. Said the Holy One, blessed be He,
'You shall not bring before Me such as pursue, but only such as are pursued'" (Vayikra Rabbah 27). By law, the sacrificed
animals had to be without blemish (Vayikra 3:6, and 22:17-25).
Besides animals, people brought offerings of their first fruits, wheat and barley to the Temple. When the Second Temple
was destroyed in 70 C.E., many Jews despaired of ever gaining forgiveness of their sins; there was no place, after all
where they could offer sacrifices.

Shabbat Shalom
 
Animal sacrifices were to ancient Jews what the prayer services are to their modern descendants: the most popular
expression of divine worship. About 150 of the Torah's 613 laws deal with sacrifices. "Maimonides, the greatest
medieval Jewish philosopher, believed that animal sacrifices were instituted to wean people from the ancient and
horrific practice of human sacrifice. In fact, when God stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaac (B'resheet 22:11-13),
the Patriarch immediately sacrificed a ram instead. The most famous sacrifice was the one offered on Passover, and
known as the Paschal lamb. It commemorated God's deliverance of the Jews from Egyptian slavery. A Jew would bring
a lamb to the Temple/Beit ha-Mikdash in Jerusalem, and give it to a priest, who would slaughter the animal, sprinkle
its blood upon the altar, and burn the entails and fat. The remainder would be returned to the person who had
donated the lamb. The animal was then taken back to the donor's family, which would eat the lamb, along with
matzah, bitter herbs, and other foods. The festive meal was interspersed with lengthy discussions of the Exodus
from Egypt. The roasted shankbone that Jews still place on the Seder plate on Passover commemorates this
Paschal lamb.
Some sacrifices were brought every morning and afternoon. To this day, the morning and evening religious services
(shakharit and minkha) commemorate these daily Temple offerings. Because the afternoon sacrifice was offered
about 12:30 P.M., Jewish law forbids minkha to be prayed before then. Other sacrifices were offered by those
wishing to atone for violations of the Torah laws through negligence. Still others were gift-offerings to God.
In general, some parts of the sacrificed animal were reserved for the priests to eat; others were given to the person
who brought the sacrifice. One kind of sacrifice, however, involved the animal being wholly burned, and came
to be known in English as a holocaust.
Only Kosher, domesticated animals---cattle, sheep, goats, and birds---could be used for sacrifices. The rabbis explained:
"The bulls flees from the lion, the sheep from the wolf, the goat from the tiger. Said the Holy One, blessed be He,
'You shall not bring before Me such as pursue, but only such as are pursued'" (Vayikra Rabbah 27). By law, the sacrificed
animals had to be without blemish (Vayikra 3:6, and 22:17-25).
Besides animals, people brought offerings of their first fruits, wheat and barley to the Temple. When the Second Temple
was destroyed in 70 C.E., many Jews despaired of ever gaining forgiveness of their sins; there was no place, after all
where they could offer sacrifices.

Shabbat Shalom

Humans are sacrificed generation after generation to the traditions of some very evil people that claim to follow "The Law".

I'm glad you mentioned the sacrifice of animals. Do you remember in "Bereshit 2:19 " that God made animals as "helpers"

19 And the Lord God formed from the earth every beast of the field and every fowl of the heavens, and He brought [it] to man to see what he would call it, and whatever the man called each living thing, that was its name.

Did this include "swine"? If so, then how did we go from God attempting to "help" your father Adam to all these "restrictions" within your law?

It must be a real shock for Adam to go from caring deeply about his "friends/helpers" to watching them die around him.....

Sheep are peculiarity among the animals of the earth. You mentioned the "lamb" caught in the thicket by its horns..... The "substitute" for Isaac. No offense. That lamb was there already. In an odd place by itself.

Does that say anything to you?
 
Your trying to sell your false narrative and fortunately no one is buying it.
You need to learn how to read and interpret scripture and you can answer
your own questions rather than relying on more biblical knowledgeable
people.
 
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