Wrangler
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Jesus is a man not a word.
An honest inquiry into the nature of Christology by a Trinitarian
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GeneZ
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Its not the same kind of union.
We are tapped into God. He supplies our every need.
In contrast to ourselves... He when He was in full power was granted the power to direct God's power by His own will.
That is the difference! He gave that up to make himself become as a man.
In the OT.. God, having both Soul and Deity in union as the Lord God of Israel - had been granted command of the powers of God.
We have no such thing.
He is doing that right now as seen here....
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father
after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign
until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed
is death." 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
The Father is in a sense.. is standing back and letting His Son rule by the powers to be God, to do His will!
For it says...
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet."
We have no such thing to equal the power to be God as the Son of the Father has alone the right to possess.
We could never be trusted with such power.
For the first person we saw as a "heretic" would be vaporized!
...... sounds familiar?"
GeneZ
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Mr. Wrangler!
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Wrangle on, "wrangler."
"So, my brothers and sisters, you owe the flesh nothing!
You do not need to live according to its ways, so abandon
its oppressive regime." Romans 8:12
I owe you nothing.
Get the picture?
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praise_yeshua
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No change at all. Do you know what Theophany is?
Wilber
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Could you be a little more specific please.
DavidTree
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Follow the Path of Righteousness = Thy Word is Truth
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 - The WORD became flesh and dwelt among us
Revelation 19:11-16
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.
His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns.
He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.
He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Wrangler
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It’s not complicated. Jesus is not God. His title is Anointed. Past tense, passive voice, meaning action was done to Jesus.
Who Anointed Jesus? God, in his unitarian nature.
His is why Jesus has another title, son of God. By definition, sons are created beings - not the creator.
Wrangler
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It is a change, a total change in subject. Is Theophany in the OP?
praise_yeshua
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You are the one that made the argument about a "body" not being relative to God. Your mistake. Not mine.
Do you know what a Theophany is?
Dizerner
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1 : a human male descendant
2 capitalized : the second person of the Trinity
3 : a person closely associated with or deriving from a formative agent
yea im not seeing ur made up definition here sry
Wrangler
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Do you even recognize Jesus’ title <The Word of God> is NOT in John 1:1?
Because the evidence for your doctrine is so weak, you must resort to the common use of the word ‘word’ with a title in another book. You cannot take parts of a persons title and presume that generic word refers to a person whose title contains that word.
This explains why later in the book the Apostles were finally convinced Jesus was from God. IF what you say is true, they’d be talking about him being God incarnate, which they never did.
As it is, I believe as the Apostles believed; that Jesus is truly FROM God.
Now we understand that you know everything, and there’s no need to question you. From this we believe that you came from God.”
John 16:30
Wrangler
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What desperation! My reference to Jesus having a body was not relative to Theophany but an actual human body of flesh - which God does not have. Can you point to one verse that says God is not Spirit but a man with flesh?
Wrangler
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Not seeing sense 1 or 3, huh?
Dizerner
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no he was obviously right there, it says he was with her
Dizerner
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Rockson
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He was not! He made it very clear who was responsible! The woman AND God. He said the woman she's responsible for she gave it to me and Lord you had a part to play in this too for you gave me her. I was just a poor innocent bystander who was taken advantage of.
“The woman whom You gave me" Gen 3:12
DavidTree
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Wrangler, all of us have the same Beginning and that Beginning is the LORD our Creator = All things created by Him
This is why Genesis begins with this Truth = "In the Beginning Elohim" = Plural
Genesis continues with Plurality of Elohim = "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our Likeness" = 3x
Genesis continues to describe for us who exactly this 'Elohim' is = Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
When we travel forward to Moses, the LORD calls unto Moses from the Burning Bush and confirms Who Elohim/Plural is and His Name.
Exodus ch3 = the PLURALITY of GOD
Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
14And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
15Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The YHWH Elohe of your fathers, the Elohe of Abraham, the Elohe of Isaac, and the Elohe of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’
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DavidTree
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Where does it say "he was with her" at the moment of deception upon Eve???
Dizerner
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If the text makes no mention of him coming or going, the text would be leaving out crucial information.
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