All Claims of The Son's Deity

[TomL]

There are no facts or evidence concerning the per-existence of Christ because there's no trinity mentioned in Philippians 2:6. And I have already commented on it in great detail. Here I will comment on it again...

Philippians 2:6 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should confess or believe that Jesus is God. After saying that Christ was in the form of God, Philippians 2:6 goes on to say that Christ “considered being equal with God not something to be grasped at.” If Jesus were God, then it would make no sense at all to say that he did not “grasp” at equality with God because no one grasps at equality with himself. Some Trinitarians say, “Well, he was not grasping for equality with the Father.” That is not what the verse says. It says Christ did not grasp at equality with God, which makes the verse nonsense if he were God.

There you go again

The issue raised was not the trinity nor the meaning of the word morphe or whether he was even equal to God

The argument I raised concerns existence before becoming flesh

You are ignoring my argument completely

You were asked


Did Christ not exist in the form of God and was he not capable of thinking or considering having had a mind before becoming a man?

Philippians 2:5–8 (KJV 1900) — 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

You have not stated one word regarding this.

So again i repeat you are running

 

[TomL]

nice job in this thread brother

It's harder than pulling teeth to get him to address the issue I raised

 

[101G]

There you go again

The issue raised was not the trinity nor the meaning of the word morphe or whether he was even equal to God

The argument I raised concerns existence before becoming flesh

You are ignoring my argument completely

You were asked


Did Christ not exist in the form of God and was he not capable of thinking or considering having had a mind before becoming a man?

Philippians 2:5–8 (KJV 1900) — 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

You have not stated one word regarding this.

So again i repeat you are running

T, you ERROR again, the Lord Jesus is NOT ... "EQUAL TO" God, that would make him a separate and distinct person.... no, the Scripture states, "EQUAL WITH" God, just a John 1:1 and Genesis 1:1 as well as Phil 2:6 clearly states. WITH indicate the same one person in the ECHAD of himself. or what the Greek calls G243 Allos, ANOTHER and not G2087 heteros ANOTHER. know the difference.

101G.

 

[TomL]

My God, Listen TomL. scripture, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
God: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).

How is that dealing with the issue raised?

The Word was in the beginning. He pre-existed the incarnation when he took on flesh,

your modalistic theology affirms God pre-existed the human form of Jesus Christ

 

[TomL]

T, you ERROR again, the Lord Jesus is NOT ... "EQUAL TO" God, that would make him a separate and distinct person.... no, the Scripture states, "EQUAL WITH" God, just a John 1:1 and Genesis 1:1 as well as Phil 2:6 clearly states. WITH indicate the same one person in the ECHAD of himself. or what the Greek calls G243 Allos, ANOTHER and not G2087 heteros ANOTHER. know the difference.

101G.

Irrelevant to the discussion I had with PeterLag which concerned pre-existence and not equality

I did not take a stand on equality but simply noted it was not the issue raised,

so for you to imagine error is simply an example of you going into error

BTW the word allos does not appear in Phil 2:6

Hello

 

[TomL]

LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh my, my, my, my. 101G didn't ask if he was confused or not 101G asked a simple question. is the "Spirit" in Isaiah 48:12 three persons? a simple yes or no will do.

and as for who sent his angel in Revelation .... it was the Lord Jesus, WHO IS GOD. ..... (smile).... only one person.

now to reveal something to you. God is not three persons, but one person "SHARED" in three dispensations or three administrations just as
1 Corinthians 12:1-6 clearly states. "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant." 1 Corinthians 12:2 "Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led." 1 Corinthians 12:3 "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."

and note: the term differences is just another word for diversities.

the "SAME" Spirit is the "SAME" Lord, who is the "SAME" God .... that is the Lord Jesus. oh how easy

last time, is the Spirit in Isaiah 48:12 three person or not... your answer please.

101G.

Jesus the Word, the father, the Spirit are all the one God although three persons according to Trinitarianism.

It seems you do not understand what you attack

 

[101G]

How is that dealing with the issue raised?

The Word was in the beginning. He pre-existed the incarnation when he took on flesh,

your modalistic theology affirms God pre-existed the human form of Jesus Christ

my God T, was flesh bone and blood at Genesis 1:1? if so, post book chapter and verse please.

101G.

 

[101G]

Jesus the Word, the father, the Spirit are all the one God although three persons according to Trinitarianism.

It seems you do not understand what you attack

according to Trinitarianism, which men made uip.... but n ot the Bible.

BTW the word allos does not appear in Phil 2:6

With indicate another, as it do in John 14:16 for he the Lord Jesus is the HOLY SPIRIT, the Comforter. "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" is not the comforter the Lord Jesus? listen again, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
the advocate with the Father? yes, he is the Father, who is the Holy Spirit. Listen again,
advocate: G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

how many times must we tell you this? .... Look go and study and then try to discuss.... ok.


and lastly,

Irrelevant to the discussion I had with PeterLag which concerned pre-existence and not equality

Irrelevant? so we can take this as you cannot answer if the Spirit in Isaiah 48:16 is three persons or not. (smile)... if I was you... I wouldn't answer it either.... Good day.

101G.

101G.

 

[TomL]

according to Trinitarianism, which men made uip.... but n ot the Bible.

sorry you are just expressing your opinion

With indicate another, as it do in John 14:16 for he the Lord Jesus is the HOLY SPIRIT, the Comforter. "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" is not the comforter the Lord Jesus? listen again, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things

another, not the same.

Hello, your theology is refuted right there

Jesus is not the holy Spirit he sends the Spirit from the father

John 15:26 (LEB) — 26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father—that one will testify about me.

I Jesus, the advocate, the father

that is three

You can't present an argument which does not contain the seeds of a refutation of your theology

write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
the advocate with the Father? yes, he is the Father, who is the Holy Spirit. Listen again,
advocate: G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

how many times must we tell you this? .... Look go and study and then try to discuss.... ok.


and lastly,

Irrelevant? so we can take this as you cannot answer if the Spirit in Isaiah 48:16 is three persons or not. (smile)... if I was you... I wouldn't answer it either.... Good day.

101G.

101G.

 

[Foster]

question, if the trinity is Three Person and One Spirit, then is the Spirit in Isaiah 48:16 three persons? "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

101G

The word Trinity means “tri-unity. Behind the concept of unity is the biblical affirmation of monotheism. The prefix mono means “one or single,” while the root word theism has to do with God. So, monotheism conveys the idea that there is only one God.

The hard part for some is that He is one in three, the Trinitarian character of God.

Paul ascribes deity to Christ.

5 For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. 1 Corinthians 8:5–6

He distinguishes between the Father and the Son, and he notes that all things are “from” the Father and “through” Christ, and that we exist “for” the Father and “through” the Son. Clearly, Paul is equating the Father and the Son in terms of Their divinity.

God the Father is divine, God the Son is divine, and God the Holy Spirit is divine. We have to understand that the distinctions in the Godhead do not refer to His essence; they do not refer to a fragmentation or compartmentalization of the very being of God but God’s triune nature.

 

[Ray]

The Trinity does not divide God into three parts. The Bible is clear that all three Persons are each one hundred percent God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all fully God. For example, it says of Christ that “in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form” Colossians 2:9

 

[Peterlag]

There you go again

The issue raised was not the trinity nor the meaning of the word morphe or whether he was even equal to God

The argument I raised concerns existence before becoming flesh

You are ignoring my argument completely

You were asked


Did Christ not exist in the form of God and was he not capable of thinking or considering having had a mind before becoming a man?

Philippians 2:5–8 (KJV 1900) — 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

You have not stated one word regarding this.

So again i repeat you are running

The issue you have raised a number of times is centered around Philippines 2:6 and that's what I'm commenting on.

 

[Peterlag]

@TomL, @Peterlag, and @civic
the same question 101G asked our brother Foster. question, if the trinity is Three Persons in One Spirit, then is the Spirit in Isaiah 48:16 three persons? "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

in MUCH G.L.

101G

It was well-known that for prophets and kings to be successful they had to be empowered by God’s spirit, His gift of holy spirit. That was why God put his spirit upon the elders that were to rule Israel (Numbers 11:17-29), why after David sinned he prayed that God would not take His holy spirit away (Psalms 51:11), and why Elisha asked for a double portion of God’s spirit to be upon him (2 Kings 2:9), and indeed, the Bible records that Elisha did almost twice as many miracles as Elijah. Cyrus, in typical fashion of one who does not take credit not due him, acknowledges here in Isaiah 48:16 that God sent him, but will not take full credit for his success but says that God also gave His spirit to Cyrus, which was the source of much of his success.

 

[Peterlag]

I choose to believe in the Trinity, as 3 in one. Some people choose 2 some 1.

Sad

 

[TomL]

The issue you have raised a number of times is centered around Philippines 2:6 and that's what I'm commenting on.

You are off running again

You were asked

Did Christ not exist in the form of God and was he not capable of thinking or considering having had a mind before becoming a man?

Philippians 2:5–8 (KJV 1900) — 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

You have not stated one word regarding this.

So again i repeat you are running

 

[Peterlag]

You are off running again

You were asked

Did Christ not exist in the form of God and was he not capable of thinking or considering having had a mind before becoming a man?

Philippians 2:5–8 (KJV 1900) — 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

You have not stated one word regarding this.

So again i repeat you are running

I don't see how I'm off running again since I do not believe Jesus was around until he was born. I think I said that a thousand times a hundred different ways.

 

[Foster]

Sad

Sorry to hear that. Go out and take a walk maybe you will feel better.

 

[Johann]

Sorry to hear that. Go out and take a walk maybe you will feel better.

Welcome to this forum @Foster.

Johann.

 

[Foster]

Welcome to this forum @Foster.

Johann.

Thanks Johann

 

[Peterlag]

Sorry to hear that. Go out and take a walk maybe you will feel better.

Oh no I was not sad for me. I was sad for you.