Um Cornelius and the gentiles were clearly baptized en the Spirit
Never said he did not receive the Holy Spirit. He did.
Just because he recieved the Spirit doesn't prove the gift of the Spirit which in Cornelius' case was speaking in tongues, was what saved him.
You aren't representing what I teach.
Cornelius clearly did not receive the same baptism of the Holy Spirit as the apostles.
Since you think Cornelius received Holy Spirit baptism exactly as the Apostles.
Then prove Cornelius was the one Jesus
promised he was among the chosen that Jesus said would receive the
power from on high?
You are taking Gods promises and carelessly applying them to whoever you want to.
Do you apply Gods promise to Abraham to everyone?
I know you dont but here you claim a gentile has received the same promise the apostles were promised directly from Jesus' own mouth.
Answer this: Could Cornelius impart miraculous gifts to others by the laying on of his hands?
The only way Cornelius got exactly what the apostles received is if Cornelius had the same
power bestowed on him as was given to the apostles.
Luke 24:49,
- and ye are witnesses of these things
- and behold I send the promise of My Father upon you but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem until ye be enduded with power from on high
You had to be a eye witness of Jesus' ressurection in order to be an apostle.
You had to be an eye witness in order to be promised the power from on high that was going to be poured out only on the apostles where?
Jerusalem on the day of penetcost
You are ignoring Jesus' own requirements that I've clearly given from Scripture that proves only certain people will qualify for the promise of Holy Spirit baptism.
Cornelius was not a candidate for this promise as he does not meet the requirements that God gave.
You think anytime anyone had the miraculous indwelling of the Spirit, that it was all the same thing.
You are over simplifying what specifically was given to only the apostles on penetcost in Jerusalem in Acts chapter 2.
Are you aware that the disciples/apostles already had miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit BEFORE they received the promise on high?
The Scriptures clearly show there is a distinction between different workings of the Spirit on man.
Notice the apostles were given the Spirit in Matthew 10.
- and when Jesus had called unto him His
twelve disciples He gave them power against unclean spirits to cast them out and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease
This is the working of the Spirit directly on the 12 disciples of Christ.
Was it Holy Spirit baptism in the same manner that they received in Acts chapter 2?
No, if it was they would not have needed to be Holy Spirit baptized in Acts 2.
Proof it was the Spirit working miracles through them in Matthew chapter 10.
Go down to verse 20,
- for it is not ye that speak but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you
What they have recieved in Matthew 10 is miraculous gifts of the Spirit.
Cornelius when the Spirit was poured out on him.
He received a miraculous gift of the Spirit.
When the apostles had the Holy Spirit poured out on them in Acts 2.
They received all power from the Spirit.
They could impart the Holy Spirit to others by their own hands.
Cornelius could not do this because he did not receive the same power from the Father in heaven.
Acts 10:38-41; 42; 44,
- How God(Father) anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the
Holy Spirit and with power who went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed of the devil, for God was with Him(Jesus performed miracles by the Holy Spirit)
- and we(apostles) are
witnesses of
all things which Jesus did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem whom they hanged on a tree
Cornelius was not a eye witness of ALL things Jesus did included all the miracles all the teaching and witness of Jesus after His ressurection on earth.
Therefore Cornelius did not receive the same
promise the apostles received from Jesus on pentecost.
- NOT TO ALL THE PEOPLE BUT UNTO
WITNESSES CHOSEN BEFORE GOD, EVEN TO US(APOSTLES) WHO DID EAT AND DRINK WITH JESUS AFTER HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD
How did Paul qualify to be an Apostle then?
How did Paul qualify to receive the exact promise and power from on high when he was not witness to all things Jesus had down during His earthly ministry?
Remember Peter just said, - Not to ALL THE PEOPLE BUT TO WITNESSES CHOSEN...
Not all people witnessed the ressurection of Jesus.
You had to be a witness of Jesus' ressurection in order to qualify to be chosen as an apostle.
Therefore Paul had to witness Jesus Christ directly after His death in order to qualify to become an apostle.
This is why Jesus directly appeared to him on the road to Damascus.
It immediately made Paul an eye witness to the ressurection of Christ.
Therefore he qualifies to receive the same miraculous Holy Spirit baptism that the rest of the apostles received.
This is why Paul had the power to lay hands on others and impart the Holy Spirit to them.
Cornelius could not do this, therefore he did not meet the qualifications to the promise given only to the chosen apostles.
Cornelius was not chosen to be an apostle so he did not need to have the same promise given to him.
Nowhere in the new testament will you find Christian's who have the Holy Spirit have the same abilities that the apostles were given by the Spirit. Cornelius only received one gift, tongue speaking.
Acts 10:44,45
- while Peter yet spake these words the Holy Spirit
fell on them which heard the word
- and they of the circumcision which believed were astonished as many as came with Peter because that on the gentiles also was
poured out the GIFT of the Holy Spirit
The gift was the Holy Spirit imparting miraculous tongue speaking.
That's all Cornelius got.
I'm not denying the Holy Spirit was poured out on him.
I'm denying that he received the same promise as the apostles.
He does not meet the qualifications given.
baptized Probably refers to the baptism of the Spirit that empowers a believer for new life in Christ (compare Mark 1:8; John 1:33; Acts 1:5; 11:16)
Your source says 1Corinthians 12:13 is PROBABLY Holy Spirit baptism.
I'm not using a source.
I'm going by what the Bible teaches.
Your source is not even convicted that 1Corinthians 12:13 is Holy Spirit baptism. Only probably, meaning there could be another baptism discussed here.
At least he is honest.
I know for a fact that 1Corinthians 12:13 cannot be Holy Spirit baptism as only water baptism puts all the saved into the body of Christ.
When God saves us He adds us to His body which is His church.
Acts 2:38 = Acts 2:47 ; Colossians 1:18,
- praising God and having favour with all the people and the Lord added to the church daily such as were being saved
- And Jesus is the Head of
the body, the church...
Water baptism was taking place in Acts chapter 2 with all the Jews who were being saved by Peter's preaching of the gospel.
It says nothing in Acts 2 of the Jews being water baptized that they also were Holy Spirit baptized.
Paul said only one baptism, Ephesians 4:5.
To add Holy Spirit baptism in Acts 2 for the 3000 that got saved that day is inserting a belief into the word that is nothing but speculation.
No one can quote any verse in Acts 2 that says the 3000 that were water baptized were Holy Spirit baptized.
It contradicts Paul in Ephesians 4:5.
Gods word says they were water baptized. So that is what took place.
Therefore the water baptism of the 3000 Jews on pentecost adding them to the church which is the one body.
This is the only baptism mentioned in Acts 2 that was preached from Peter's gospel sermon.
1Corinthians 12:13,
- for by one Spirit are we all
baptized into one body(church)
Acts 8 proves which baptism puts us into the one body.
Simon the Sorcerer was water baptized but never recieved Holy Spirit baptism.
Simon the Sorcerer was among the multitude that got saved in Samaria.
The Bible says he believed.
Therefore we must believe what the bible says.
We cannot say he was not a believer without denying what the word of God says about him.
Acts 8:12-13,
- but when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ they were baptized both men and women
- then Simon himself
believed also, and when he was baptized he continued with Philip and wondered beholding the miracles and signs which were done
- now when the
apostles which were in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had recieved the word of God they sent unto them Peter and John
The word of God says Simon believed and was water baptized.
I believe what the Bible says because I am a Bible believer not a Bible denier.
But many will speak against the word and claim Simon did not believe.
Acts 8:15-17; 18,
- who when they(apostles) were come down prayed for them(the saved multitude) that they might
receive the
Holy Spirit
- for the Holy was fallen on none of them, only they were baptized in the name of the Lord
TomL, believers are saved not lost.
Why have these saved believers not received the Holy Spirit if they are saved?
Its because water baptism washes away our sins not Holy Spirit baptism.
Their salvation was not dependent on them receiving miraculous power from the Holy Spirit.
Why don't you believe the word over your man made theology?
Acts 8:17-20
- then they(apostles) laid hands on them(saved believers) and they received the Holy Spirit
- and when Simon saw that through the laying on of the
apostles hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money
- saying give me also this
power that on whomever I lay my hands he may receive the Holy Spirit
- but Peter said unto him thy money perish with thee because thou has thought the
gift of God may be purchased with money
- thou hast neither part nor lot in the matter, for thy heart is not right with God
Simon wanted the power to lay hands on others to impart the Holy Spirit.
Only the apostles received this because only the apostles were promised Holy Spirit baptism.
No other new testament Christian received the same promise.
Peter told Simon he had no part nor lot in the matter.
Why,
In this case Peter said because of the wickedness in your heart thinking this gift could be purchased with money.
But also Simon has no right to this gift because he is not of the chosen by Jesus who was promised this power that would be poured out on the apostles on pentecost.
Simon, like all Christians can sin against God.
And Simon made his living as a magician.
So the temptation to have this power was great with him, possibly thinking he could profit from it.
The people already thought of Simon as a great magician.
With this gift he really would appear great.
But his motives His heart was evil. Therefore he desired this gift for the wrong reasons.
God knew this, and this is why Peter rebuked him.
Peter then commands him to repent or perish in his sin.
Simon agrees and even asks the apostles to pray for him that these damnations do not come upon him.
This proves Christians can fall from grace, Galatians 5:4.
And one can be saved without any miraculous baptism taking place.
So by this example along with the multitude who got saved without any miraculous baptism.
We know that water baptism is the baptism the forgives sins not Holy Spirit baptism.
Many believe today that a miraculous baptism must take place because they believe regeneration aka born again, spiritual birth can only be miraculous.
This belief came from the false doctrinal teaching of reformed theology aka calvinism.
Total depravity, total inability to love God and give ones life to him is impossible in this theology.
The only way to be regenerated is to be given a new heart.
This can only be accomplished with a miraculous working of the Holy Spirit because of the individuals total depraved wicked sinful nature.
Thus the evolution of miraculous Spirit dry baptism as the baptism that supposedly saves.
All of this is unscriptual error.p
Man can chose to give his life to Jesus.
Man does have the ability to have faith in Christ from hearing the gospel, Romans 10:17.
Being born again is spiritual new birth but no miracle is required.
Miracles are the violation of Gods nature laws.
God violates the physical universal laws when He works miracles.
This is a violation of the physical.
Therefore miracles have no part in the spiritual.
Salvation is 100 percent spiritual regeneration.
Born again is 100 percent spiritual regeneration.
No natural laws here in the physical world need to be violated in order to save someone spiritually.
Salvation is a spiritual work of God not a physical work.
Just as there are natural laws created by God.
There are spiritual laws.
To be born physically requires no miracle.
To be born spiritually requires no miracle.
Spiritual rebirth is 100 percent spiritual in nature.
Only calvinism teaches miracles must take place because our physical nature can only be changed to believe in Jesus by a miraculous violation in changing our physical sinful nature.
God does work His power in giving us the new birth.
But He does not need to do any miracle to work His spiritual work on us.
God is not transforming our physical as calvinism teaches.
God is changing our current spiritual state to one that is justified.
Miracles do not take place today, 1Corinthians chapter 13.
All spiritual work of God takes place in water baptism where we contact the blood of Christ that washes away our sins.
Mark 1:4,
- preach the baptism of repentance
for the forgiveness of sins
Water has no power to cleanse the spiritual soul.
Therefore God is working through spiritual laws to cleanse us in water baptism.
Colossians 2:12,
- buried with Jesus in baptism wherein also ye are risen with Him through faith of the
working of God who raised Him from the dead
Water baptism is also spiritual baptism just as Holy Spirit baptism is spiritual but it is also miraculous.
Water baptism is not natural or merely physical. What takes place in water baptism is spiritual.
Holy Spirit baptism always 100 percent in every case gives miraculous power.
So anyone whom claims to be Holy Spirit baptized today must prove it by miracles.
