A Little Salvation story.

[GodsGrace]

You can't walk away from a spiritual birth.

Stop trying to prove and believe, that Jesus's Salvation is only as good as your current behavior.

Do you really not comprehend that you came to Jesus as a LIFETIME SINNER.....and God accpted you "while you were YET a sinner".....and now, that God has taken a SINNER and given them His Salvation, this same person thinks......that their behavior is now WHY God will keep you, when He took you when you were a sinner.

Maybe.

But here's what Jesus said:


John 5:28-29
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Sounds like our behavior means something.


Here's what Paul said:


Romans 2:6-8
6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

 

[GodsGrace]

So, this that you posted.... is the cult thinking, the heretical teaching that WATER is able to wash away sin of an Infant.......and this is exactly the same for Adults.

This is the heresy, that claims that water baptism, can deal with your sin.

So, that literally denies the Cross of Christ where God's' Son's BLOOD and DEATH, dealt with the sin of the World.

A BABY DOESN'T HAVE SIN.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Maybe.

But here's what Jesus said:


John 5:28-29
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Sounds like our behavior means something.


Here's what Paul said:


Romans 2:6-8
6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

Notice it says who do not OBEY the TRUTH .
WHO IS TRUTH . GOD IS , CHRIST IS
and if one rejects the testimony The FATHER gave of the SON
guess who they call a liar . GOD . Dont expect to see them dancing in paradise . cause the lake of fire awaits such .
JESUS saves , interfaith and the lie graves .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Maybe.

But here's what Jesus said:


John 5:28-29
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Sounds like our behavior means something.


Here's what Paul said:


Romans 2:6-8
6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

all who loved and make a lie . lake of fire .
The broad path , THAT IS THE LIE and yet many sure seem to love that broad all inclusive sin accepting
unbelief accepting path they call love . THEY wont be dancing in paradise
the lake of fire awaits
and how deadly great a damanation awaits all who USED THE NAME OF JESUS to promote this lie .
Man is that super deadly , to even use The Glorious NAME of JESUS THE CHRIST
to promote a CHRIST DENYING LIE . oh i shudder for the many who do this . repentance is a dire must
on their behalf and fast .

 

[GodsGrace]

Notice it says who do not OBEY the TRUTH .
WHO IS TRUTH . GOD IS , CHRIST IS
and if one rejects the testimony The FATHER gave of the SON
guess who they call a liar . GOD . Dont expect to see them dancing in paradise . cause the lake of fire awaits such .
JESUS saves , interfaith and the lie graves .

Great T !
OBEY THE TRUTH
WHO IS TRUTH
CHRIST

Thanks!

Just like my signature line:
Jesus is not the messenger...
Jesus is the message.

Tomorrow...very late here.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Great T !
OBEY THE TRUTH
WHO IS TRUTH
CHRIST

Thanks!

Just like my signature line:
Jesus is not the messenger...
Jesus is the message.

Tomorrow...very late here.

Onward in the trenches my friend . Yes the hour is very late .
Let us always remember to put Christ before all .
When one puts and honors GOD above all
you can bet their words will be HIS words which is what will work to the good of all who hear them and love HIM .
Obey Him .
The Words of the LORD are pure and holy and a song of great beauty .
To those who believe and do they work good
to those who dont and thus dont they will be the judge . My words shall be your judge .
But LORD , Lord didnt we ....................................I never knew you , you who worked inquity .
Therefore Who so cometh to me and hears my sayings and does them
Built that house on a solid foundation
Those who hear but do not , Had no foundation and thus its all coming down on the day of the LORD .
Who we love is who we obey . Let us heed the Spirit and not the flesh .
Be armed up in prayer , scriptures and be hearers and doers of the Word . Let none
who name the name enter into the broad inclusive interfaith finding common ground path .
For that is a broad road and its end is destruction .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

our sister from the UK has been spotted . march onwards in the LORD dear sister

 

[Marvelloustime]

Onward in the trenches my friend . Yes the hour is very late .
Let us always remember to put Christ before all .
When one puts and honors GOD above all
you can bet their words will be HIS words which is what will work to the good of all who hear them and love HIM .
Obey Him .
The Words of the LORD are pure and holy and a song of great beauty .
To those who believe and do they work good
to those who dont and thus dont they will be the judge . My words shall be your judge .
But LORD , Lord didnt we ....................................I never knew you , you who worked inquity .
Therefore Who so cometh to me and hears my sayings and does them
Built that house on a solid foundation
Those who hear but do not , Had no foundation and thus its all coming down on the day of the LORD .
Who we love is who we obey . Let us heed the Spirit and not the flesh .
Be armed up in prayer , scriptures and be hearers and doers of the Word . Let none
who name the name enter into the broad inclusive interfaith finding common ground path .
For that is a broad road and its end is destruction .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭24‬-‭27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Marvelloustime]

our sister from the UK has been spotted . march onwards in the LORD dear sister

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY You got me!

 

[Marvelloustime]

our sister from the UK has been spotted . march onwards in the LORD dear sister

March on in the trenches brother @TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[GodsGrace]

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY You got me!

You're a sister?
From the UK?
So nice to have you here.
I feel very lonely at times!
Except I'm from the US.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

You're a sister?
From the UK?
So nice to have you here.
I feel very lonely at times!
Except I'm from the US.

To the trenches for the enemy has come with a peace offering of a trogan horse
but within are but death and delusion .
And as men sleep those within cloaked in wool have opened the gates to a great delusion that cometh in the name
of what it calls love and claims is for peace .
To the trenches my friend and my friends . The last hours delusion has grown massive .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Let each be faithful to the gift GOD has give them in order for edification .
Prayers are needed . be in prayer , in scripture reading .
Be diligent for the adversary does not come as a monster with horns
but as a sheep like appearance and a love that is of the world to decieve and to take captive all to a lie .
Its course of ecuminism has led to great rebellion towards GOD and to His saints .
Soon this will lead to the largest crusades against the saints . And when the saints are persecuted
and many even put to death , they who do so will beleive they do the love gods will for world peace n safety .
Satan has many trapped now in a delusion . Fear not what man can do . TO the trenches one and all .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

You're a sister?
From the UK?
So nice to have you here.
I feel very lonely at times!
Except I'm from the US.

Onward in the trenches one and all . The hour is even later than when i last said the hour is late .

 

[Marvelloustime]

You're a sister?
From the UK?
So nice to have you here.
I feel very lonely at times!
Except I'm from the US.

Hello sister. @GodsGrace
Yes I’m a sister.
No, I’m not in the US, unfortunately.
I’m in the UK.
For our blink, vapour of a life down here, thank the Lord, it doesn’t matter which land mass we happen to reside on. The lambs that are in and believe Jesus the Christ are all brethren and fellow citizens of Heaven. HOME. Praise the Lord. Looking very much forward to it, sister.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Hello sister. @GodsGrace
Yes I’m a sister.
No, I’m not in the US, unfortunately.
I’m in the UK.
For our blink, vapour of a life down here, thank the Lord, it doesn’t matter which land mass we happen to reside on. The lambs that are in and believe Jesus the Christ are all brethren and fellow citizens of Heaven. HOME. Praise the Lord. Looking very much forward to it, sister.

Home is where the heart of the sheep awaits . With the KING forever who saved them .

 

[dwight92070]

Is this a freudian slip??


You're not telling the story right Behold.

Getting baptized washes your sins away.
BUT even the CC teaches that you must believe and be TRANSFORMED/CONVERTED.

As to the man going to heaven?
Only God knows.

Notice that the homeless man, when asked if he wanted to be saved,
replied YES FATHER.

He wanted to be saved.
God looks at the heart.

The priest did not ask him if he wanted to be saved. He asked him if he wanted to go to heaven when he died. Probably 90% of everyone on earth would answer "Yes" to that question. There was no mention of Jesus, who He is, and what He did for us, and what we need to do to become a disciple of His. Therefore, the homeless man just got wet, nothing more, nothing less.

Nothing is said about repenting of his sins, and putting his faith in Jesus, so that his sins would be forgiven, and he could be born again or saved. A promise of going to heaven means nothing, if the person is not first genuinely saved.

 

[GodsGrace]

The priest did not ask him if he wanted to be saved. He asked him if he wanted to go to heaven when he died. Probably 90% of everyone on earth would answer "Yes" to that question. There was no mention of Jesus, who He is, and what He did for us, and what we need to do to become a disciple of His. Therefore, the homeless man just got wet, nothing more, nothing less.

Nothing is said about repenting of his sins, and putting his faith in Jesus, so that his sins would be forgiven, and he could be born again or saved. A promise of going to heaven means nothing, if the person is not first genuinely saved.

Wow. You sure do require a lot in order to get saved !
A true legalist.

Does Richard Dawkins want to go to heaven?
I don't think so.

If someone asks someone if they want to go to heaven and the reply is Yes....it shows a desire to want to be with God.
God will judge us on the light we've received.


So...here's what is necessary to get to heaven:
1. Believe in God.
2. Obey God.

Easy.

And, is being saved different than being GENUINLY saved??
What an odd thing to say.

Reminds me of those that say that one must be a TRUE believer.
Is that different than A BELIEVER?

 

[dwight92070]

Wow. You sure do require a lot in order to get saved !
A true legalist.

Does Richard Dawkins want to go to heaven?
I don't think so.

If someone asks someone if they want to go to heaven and the reply is Yes....it shows a desire to want to be with God.
God will judge us on the light we've received.


So...here's what is necessary to get to heaven:
1. Believe in God.
2. Obey God.

Easy.

And, is being saved different than being GENUINLY saved??
What an odd thing to say.

Reminds me of those that say that one must be a TRUE believer.
Is that different than A BELIEVER?

Jesus said "Repent and believe in the gospel", which is Christ died for our sins, He was buried and He was raised on the 3rd day.

If that's too much for you, then I guess we won't be seeing you in heaven.

Is being a legalist different than being "a true legalist"?
What an odd thing to say.

Which are you?

If someone says that they want to go to heaven, it often shows a desire that they have to not go to hell.

There's no scripture that says: Here's what is necessary to get to heaven ... Even Jesus said very little about the need for people to go to heaven. His message was focused on the Kingdom of God and the importance of entering into it - which is not synonymous with heaven.

It's strange that your list of two requirements to get to heaven doesn't even mention Jesus - yet Jesus said that no one comes to the Father but through Him.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus said "Repent and believe in the gospel", which is Christ died for our sins, He was buried and He was raised on the 3rd day.

§That sure is a lot of theology packed into one sentence.
Let's go over what you stated is necessary for salvation:
You stated: (in post 117 - my reply is in green).

The priest did not ask him if he wanted to be saved. He asked him if he wanted to go to heaven when he died.
Some might wonder what being saved means. This is a theoligical question and everyone is not as informed as you are.
However, if someone knows about heaven and wants to go there...they most probably believe in God and would like to be with HIM and not the evil one.

Probably 90% of everyone on earth would answer "Yes" to that question.
Have you done a survey?
Are you aware that most persons these days are either agnostic or atheirst?
To the question at hand, many would reply that they don't even believe heaven exists.
Would this be any different to YOU than someone saying: "Yes, I'd like to go to heaven".....
or is the fact that they don't now all your theology a disqualifying factor?

I'm happy to be sure that God loves humanity more than you do.

There was no mention of Jesus, who He is, and what He did for us,
Is Jesus God?
I DID state that they have to believe in God.
Maybe you don't believe Jesus is God.

and what we need to do to become a disciple of His.
Therefore, the homeless man just got wet, nothing more, nothing less.
According to the NT, baptism forgives sins.

Acts 2:38
38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Baptism is efficacious if the person desires it. Someone who wants to go to heaven most probably will want to be baptized.

Nothing is said about repenting of his sins, and putting his faith in Jesus, so that his sins would be forgiven, and he could be born again or saved. A promise of going to heaven means nothing, if the person is not first genuinely saved.
Is there a difference between saved and being genuinely saved?
I think I might have already asked this.ù
As far as I can understand,,,there seems to be no difference in the two terms.

If that's too much for you, then I guess we won't be seeing you in heaven.

You must be a new Christian and have taken on the responsibility of knowing who is going to heaven and who is not.
A responsibility I would not care to have.
Even Jesus said that we will be judged according to how we judge.
I'd leave judging a person's SOUL to God.

Is being a legalist different than being "a true legalist"?
What an odd thing to say.

You didn't reply.
Interesting.

You also said one must be GENUINELY SAVED.

I'm just wondering if there's a difference between your statement:

LEGALIST VS TRUE LEGALIST
SAVED VS GENUINELY SAVED
BELIEVER VS TRUE BELIEVER

I keep hearing these words added on to verbs and I'm just wondering if the added on word changes the meaning of the verb.

Which are you?

Let's leave that up to God.

If someone says that they want to go to heaven, it often shows a desire that they have to not go to hell.

Like I said, that depends on whether or not they believe in heaven and hell.
If they want to go to heaven, it shows some DESIRE to be with God.
We are saved by grace....through faith (whatever amount we have - even the size of a mustard seed).

God offers to all who want salvation the gift of salvation.

There's no scripture that says: Here's what is necessary to get to heaven ... Even Jesus said very little about the need for people to go to heaven. His message was focused on the Kingdom of God and the importance of entering into it - which is not synonymous with heaven.

More theology.
So what is the Kingdom of God?
And HOW does one enter into it?
And, if this was the main message of Jesus, why are YOU speaking about "being saved" instead of the Kingdom of God?
Did Jesus say we must be saved or did he say we must be born again?

It's strange that your list of two requirements to get to heaven doesn't even mention Jesus - yet Jesus said that no one comes to the Father but through Him.

What happens to all the humans that ever lived that never heard of Jesus?