Freedom is both a blessing and a curse. Handled correctly, it is a great blessing. Handled incorrectly, it is a great curse. We all need to take freedom by the horn and learn everything we possbly can about the Bible and the Apostles. Life is short and we must do all we can to be a good steward of the freedom God has given us to learn about the word of God.
A Little Salvation story.
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TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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We all know paul had been set free by CHRIST
We all know peter had
james had
john had
THEY sure never used this freedom to do that which ought never to have been done .
IN FACT i seen lots of warnings from paul
ABOUT NOT BEING unequally yoked .
About NOT finding common ground with darkness . EVERY OTHER RELIGOIN IS IN DARKNESS
and satan knows how to unite by using a concept that seems as though its for a good cause .
WE BEING DUPED . WE are BEING DECIEVED .
Wise scholars and free thinkers have destroyed much and done great damage to this people .
Marvelloustime
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@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
@synergy
“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”
2 Corinthians 6:14 KJV
Marvelloustime
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@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”
2 Corinthians 6:14 KJV
Marvelloustime
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@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
“For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.”
Galatians 5:13 KJV
I'm curious. Which denomination (if any) are you equally yoked with?
dwight92070
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One of the go-to verses for the Baptismal Regeneration crowd is Acts 2:38 " ... Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
They say: "See, baptism is for the forgiveness of your sins, and the time that you will receive the Holy Spirit."
False! Luke 24:47: Jesus said, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem."
Acts 10:43 "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
Repentance and believing in Him is what brings forgiveness of sins.
By the way, repentance and belief are two sides of the same coin. Hebrews 6:1 says " ... not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, ... "
When one repents from sin against God and man, it is assumed that he also believes in God. Conversely, when one believes in God, it is assumed that he will repent of his sins against God and man.
Peter, in Acts 2:38 did not need to tell the people to believe in God. When they asked: "Brethren, what shall we do?", Peter knew that they had believed his message about God and about Jesus. The only thing left was for them to repent, which was to be followed by them receiving the Holy Spirit, and then water baptism.
They say: "See, baptism is for the forgiveness of your sins, and the time that you will receive the Holy Spirit."
False! Luke 24:47: Jesus said, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem."
Acts 10:43 "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
Repentance and believing in Him is what brings forgiveness of sins.
By the way, repentance and belief are two sides of the same coin. Hebrews 6:1 says " ... not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, ... "
When one repents from sin against God and man, it is assumed that he also believes in God. Conversely, when one believes in God, it is assumed that he will repent of his sins against God and man.
Peter, in Acts 2:38 did not need to tell the people to believe in God. When they asked: "Brethren, what shall we do?", Peter knew that they had believed his message about God and about Jesus. The only thing left was for them to repent, which was to be followed by them receiving the Holy Spirit, and then water baptism.
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Behold
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Mary died about 11 yrs after Jesus rose from the Dead.
Paul and John lived 30-50 yrs after Mary died. Peter lived about 20 yrs after Mary died.
Paul gave the body of Christ all the Church Doctrinem and has NOTHING TO SAY about Mary...or praying to Mary, or Praying to Saints, who are dead.
John and Peter are silent regarding Mary's importance, and silent about "praying to Mary" or to Dead Saints.
Try to understand that if the Gospel requires WATER Baptism, and Paul is preaching the Gospel, and Paul says nothing about water, then what does this clearly show us?
See, Paul's Gospel is "Believe and Receive".. "Trust in Christ for the forgiveness of your sin".. ."all who call on the Name of Jesus (believing) shall be Saved".
So, Paul's Gospel shows us that Water Baptism, is not related to being Born again.....but Paul's Gospel IS related to being born again, as its "the Preaching of the Gospel, (the Cross) that is the Power of God.. unto Salvation, for everyone who BELIEVES"..... = no Water Baptism required for Salvation.
The Gospel is "Jesus on the Cross"........ or "the Preaching of the Cross"...........not get wet, get dunked, and go to heaven".
There is literal water baptism....and its Symbolic and a public confession, where the person is symbolically being lowered into the water as the old man, and then coming out of the water as risen in newness of Life.. as the New Man.
...Its symbolic.
Whereas being Baptized INTO the Spirit of God, is to become "IN Christ".. and "ONE with God" and that is to become Born... again.
This spiritual baptism is God's Holy Spirit BIRTHING the believer's Spirit as "IN CHRIST", and "one with God".
Behold
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Jesus came to the Jews, to teach them that the "Kingdom of God" had arrived and """will you have it.""""
The didnt., so He died for the world's Sins, and the Times of the Gentiles began, and Jesus went back to Glory.
Paul came to the GENTILES, who make up most of the Body of Christ,...... that was birthed by the Cross of Christ, based in The Blood Atonment.
Paul's ministry is not simply to teach you have to live as a disciple.......its to teach you Church Doctrine, that is His Theology.
Paul gave us... "THe Gospel" for the "time of the Gentiles" and we are IN IT..... and Paul's Gospel, has no water baptism in it...
Paul's Gospel is not Acts 2....>>"repent and get wet".....>>Paul's Gospel is....."Justificstion by Faith" without works or deeds of the law."
Paul's Gospel is...>>"All who believe in Jesus, shall be saved".
Paul's Gospel delivers to us The Cross of Christ as God's Blood Atonement, and Paul delievers us to us the understanding that Jesus is the "new Covenant".
Paul teaches us that the born again are "not under the Law......but under Grace".
Behold
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And you can speak of water washing away your sin, and it never did, never can, and never will.
See The Cross of Christ for the update on .. why God will accept you, or not.
Behold
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You are teaching "Cult of Mary"" nonsense, and claiming its "bible..
You are teaching "Baptismal Regeneration"....and that is a 100% Catholic Cult teaching.
This teaching falsely claims that you are "born again BY water".
And you are not born again by water, you are born again by the Holy Spirit, and that does not require water.
Behold
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Paul said....>"Be a follower of Me, as i follow Christ".
So, that is how you prefect your theology and your discipleship.
"Following Paul" does not mean to bow to Paul as you find "cuilt of mary" members bowing to Mary or to Peter.
So, it not that cultic cultish man made nonsense.
"Following Paul'" means.......you are to learn what He teaches, and present your body as a living sacrifice to God, as Paul's example shows you how.
Jesus Taught Paul , The Gospel, and all the Church Doctrine.
In Acts 15, Paul taught Peter.
in 2nd Peter.........Peter said that Paul's letters, are "Scripture", equal to the Torah, and Peter was correct.
Water Baptism, has notiing to offer, except "symbolism" and "public confession".
Millons of people who become Born again Christians, will never be water baptized.
1.) People in Prison, who trusted in Christ
2.) People on their deathbed, who trusted in Christ.
3.) People who have trusted in Christ where Chrisitianity is not allowed......so, no bibles, and no water baptism.
So, we see that "water never washed their sin away"........and we see that you can be born again without Water Baptism.
The "Cult of Mary" is a "heretical" man made religious Theater.
The "Cult of Mary" services are lovely, and the Leadership constumes are very well crafted.
The 10 ft tall or (3 meter tall) Plastic Mary's are nicely assembled.
No Cult has more "eye candy" in it, then the Catholic Cult.
GodsGrace
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So are the saved one body or two different bodies?
The Gentiles make up most of the body of Christ because the JEWS denied Him.
I HAVE OTHER SHEEP I MUST GO TO.
So do we not obey Jesus?
You like Paul better?
He seems easier to follow than following Jesus?
What do you think Paul teaches differnetly than Jesus?
Grace?
What do you make of these verses from Paul?:
Ephesians 2:10
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works,
Colossians 3:23-24
23Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward. 24You are serving the Lord Christ.
Galatians 6:9
9And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
Titus 2:14
14Who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.
1 Timothy 6:17-29
As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life.
Paul also taught what NOT to do...:
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In every letter of Paul's he made statements such as the one in Galatians....I could post them if necessary.
Paul taught exactly what Jesus taught.
Because Jesus was his teacher.
GodsGrace
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Do you only read part of my posts?
Members do this.
It makes it really difficult to have a conversation.
AFTER believing...
We are to be baptized in order to obey Jesus.
I'm for obeying Jesus.....
HE said to get baptized.
YOU make baptism sound like it's something separate from salvation.
I don't know ANY denomination that teaches that bapism saves.
Not even the CC.
GodsGrace
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Actually, there are many Protestant theologians that believe the water in John 3 refers to baptismal water.
Personally, I like the idea of a physical birth better...
but that's a different topic.
And please explain HOW I'm teaching the cult of Mary?
BTW,,,I don't come here to teach....
GodsGrace
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Later...
Behold
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A word of advice for you @GodsGrace ..
If you tell the members that you are not going to post on My Thread, and you then come and post again, and again, then they will notice that you are not honest.
So, ...... thats FYI.
Listen,
One body of Christ., and its mostly Gentiles.
All Believers are born again..
All believers are "heirs of God".. "joint heirs with Jesus" and have become "Saints"., long before the Catholic Cult started handing out SaintHood medals.
The body of Christ (That is not the "cult of Mary)..= was birthed by The Cross of Christ and not by ....... water baptism.
Jesus is my Lord and Savior and King and Advocate.
The Holy Spirit is the Teacher, and Paul's Doctrine is Church Doctrine... that is revealed to real students of the bible by the Holy Spirit.
So, when the "Christian" understands all this, then they are "following Jesus", by studying Paul's Doctrine, Ministry, and Lifestyle.
This is what Paul means when He says """be a follower of me, as I .....follow Christ""".
Paul's theology is NT Church Doctrine.
So, to learn it, is to follow Jesus, because Jesus gave it to Paul to teach to the born again.
Its what i Teach, and nothing else.
Paul's Doctrine, is not what Jesus was giving to the Jews,.... as Paul's Doctrine is created for the Body of Christ that began, AFTER Jesus Died.
Christians are....."created for Good work"..
This Means.......that the Christian is supposed to..>>"present your body to God, as a living sacrifice, as your reasonable SERVICE".
See, Disciple is service that happens after we are Saved.
Salvation is to become a Christian, based on God accepting our "FAITH in Christ' .........and that is not water baptism.
That is Christian Discipleship.
That is Christian discipleship.
Christian Discipleship, is to do good works for God.......as our "reasonable service"...Paul teaches
Its a service, its not our Salvation., as JESUS is our Salvation..
Salvation is Jesus on the Cross......and not water baptism.
"Good works".........this is Chrisitan Discipleship..
Everyone who is born again is already IN the Kingdome of God, so, we are already "Heirs of God" and "joint heirs with Christ".....= Paul Teaches.
The Christian has "passed from DEATH..........to LIFE". and that is... to become no longer separated from God, by sin.
Paul taught the Gentiles.......so, that is not what Jesus was teaching the "house of Israel".
2 Different Ministries, 2 Different Groups......and Jesus could not teach the JEWS = Paul's Gospel, as Paul's Gospel is "the Preaching of the Cross".......so, duiring Jesus's earthlyh Minsitry to the "House of Israel".., He could not give the Jew's Paul's Gospel, because Jesus had not died on the Cross yet, during His Jewish minstiry.
His Death, ended it, regarding the Jews.
In the TRIBULATION>.... that follows the "time of the Gentiles".......God will resume His dealing with the JEW..... specifically.
Yes.
Jesus came to Paul........and gave Paul ... "Paul's Gospel",... and that is not "repent and get wet". Its not water baptism is required..
Its "The Gospel of the Grace of God"..... "justificaiton by FAITH".........without works, or water.
Now, Should you be water baptized AFTER you are born again?
A.) Of course., but if this does not happen........its OK., as sometimes its impossible.
Behold
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Jesus doesn't.
Jesus understands that you are born agian by the Holy Spirit..........and water is just water.
It was just water, when your mother's water broke, and out you came "born of water"
And its just water that we get into, after we born again.......and later are water baptized.
"Water baptism" is requried for Salvaiton = "Bapstismal Regeneration" = "cult of Mary" Theology.
"Water baptism washes away sin"... = "Cult of Mary".. = Theology.
Also, the verse that says, in John 3......>"born again BY water".......is found in the Satanic "Douay Rhemis" Catholic bible.
You wont find that nonsense in a Real Bible.
MTMattie
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Look into the church of Christ. They tie salvation to baptism.
