civic
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Very true thanks for the friendly reminder.
I remember @sethproton use to say that all the time on the old forum allot of us came from.
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I remember @sethproton use to say that all the time on the old forum allot of us came from.
Before being regenerated ?
That does not coincide with your doctrine of total inability
Believing is not a good thing?
And the rest of your cut and paste really does not address my contention.
No man, not some, can Christ Lord but by the Spirit.
Flesh does not give birth to Spirit.
Did you actually read
(Hart’) And hearing this the gentiles were elated and gave glory to the Lord’s word,
and as many as were disposed to the life of the Age had faith;
(2001) Now, when those who came from the nations heard this, they started rejoicing and glorifying the Word of the Lord. And all those who were inclined to accept age-long life became believers.
(Mace) when the Gentiles heard this, they received the word with joy, glorifying the Lord: and as many as were dispos'd to eternal life, believed.
(Diaglott-NT) Having heard and the Gentiles rejoiced, and glorified the word of the Lord; and believed as many as were having been disposed for life age-lasting.
(Etheridge) And when the Gentiles heard, they rejoiced and glorified Aloha; and they believed who were disposed [Or, set unto.] unto eternal life.
(LHB) And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were disposed to eternal life believed.
(LONT) And the Gentiles hearing this, rejoiced, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were disposed for eternal life, believed.
Sure it does. No mention of regeneration in the text. More presuming
praise_yeshua
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Again. In your totally depraved heart, you see yourself. God arranged salvation for Gentiles. Those who did not seek Him.
Not all Gentiles are saved, thusly you can not apply the statement as an exhaustive applicable in any way.
You really are silly.
Genius, who claimed all the Gentiles were saved?
The ones appointed to eternal life certainly did.
Er you were answered but ignored the reply
and obeying the law not belief was the issue with Paul
and the only cut and paste was the citation of Adam Clark
Nothing about arranged. They were actually appointed to believe. You know, like the text says
praise_yeshua
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No. Arranging precedes believing.
God sent the Gospel to transform mankind. Your evil heart assumes you are included when you're not mentioned at all.
By all means, show me that you were appointed. All I've seen from you is false gospel that seeks to damn mankind to hell.
civic
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Yes God has appointed both Jews and Gentiles to salvation. All mankind can freely receive His gracious gift of salvation by faith.
Whosoever will let him come and drink FREELY- Choose this day who you will serve.
hope this helps !!!
but ignored these
Did you actually read
(Hart’) And hearing this the gentiles were elated and gave glory to the Lord’s word,
and as many as were disposed to the life of the Age had faith;
(2001) Now, when those who came from the nations heard this, they started rejoicing and glorifying the Word of the Lord. And all those who were inclined to accept age-long life became believers.
(Mace) when the Gentiles heard this, they received the word with joy, glorifying the Lord: and as many as were dispos'd to eternal life, believed.
(Diaglott-NT) Having heard and the Gentiles rejoiced, and glorified the word of the Lord; and believed as many as were having been disposed for life age-lasting.
(Etheridge) And when the Gentiles heard, they rejoiced and glorified Aloha; and they believed who were disposed [Or, set unto.] unto eternal life.
(LHB) And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were disposed to eternal life believed.
(LONT) And the Gentiles hearing this, rejoiced, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were disposed for eternal life, believed.
and even your reading is insufficient to prove your view as previously shown
praise_yeshua
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Yeah. Like Abel is a Jew and Satan is "God".
You're reading English words far removed from the hand of Luke. You're dying from a lack of knowledge. You're letting others believe for you.
civic
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yes the means in the gospel and one must believe the message about the Person and work of Christ.
God saves the man who believes.
Of course the backwards masking calvinists deny this simple truth and get it backwards, upside down.
Johann
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Here is the order-
Eph 1:13 in ἐν whom ᾧ you ὑμεῖς, also, καὶ having heard ἀκούσαντες the τὸν word λόγον - τῆς of truth, ἀληθείας, the τὸ gospel εὐαγγέλιον your ὑμῶν, of τῆς salvation, σωτηρίας in ἐν whom ᾧ also καὶ having believed πιστεύσαντες you were sealed ἐσφραγίσθητε with τῷ the τῷ Holy Ἁγίῳ, Spirit Πνεύματι - τῆς of promise, ἐπαγγελίας
Eph 1:14 who ὅ* is ἐστιν [the] guarantee ἀρραβὼν of our ἡμῶν, - τῆς inheritance κληρονομίας to εἰς [the] redemption ἀπολύτρωσιν of the τῆς acquired possession, περιποιήσεως, to εἰς [the] praise ἔπαινον of τῆς His αὐτοῦ. glory. δόξης
Eph 1:13 In Christ you(p) also trusted after you(p) heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your(p) salvation, in Whom also after you(p) believed, you(p) were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 which is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory.
ye also
Eph 2:11-12 [11] Therefore remember that once you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “uncircumcision” by that which is called “circumcision” (in the flesh, made by hands), [12] that you were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Col 1:21-23 [21] You, being in past times alienated and enemies in your mind in your evil deeds, [22] yet now he has reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and without defect and blameless before him, [23] if it is so that you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the Good News which you heard, which is being proclaimed in all creation under heaven, of which I, Paul, was made a servant.
1Pe 2:10 In the past, you were not a people, but now are God’s people, who had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
after that ye heard
*Col 1:4-6 [4] having heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of the love which you have toward all the saints, [5] because of the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the Good News [6] which has come to you, even as it is in all the world and is bearing fruit and growing, as it does in you also, since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth,
Eph 4:21 if indeed you heard him and were taught in him, even as truth is in Jesus:
Jn 1:17 For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
Ro 6:17 But thanks be to God that, whereas you were bondservants of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were delivered.
Ro 10:14-17 [14] How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in him whom they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher? [15] And how will they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the Good News of peace, who bring glad tidings of good things!” [16] But they didn’t all listen to the glad news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” [17] So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Col 1:23 if it is so that you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the Good News which you heard, which is being proclaimed in all creation under heaven, of which I, Paul, was made a servant.
1Th 2:13 For this cause we also thank God without ceasing that when you received from us the word of the message of God, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, God’s word, which also works in you who believe.
the word
Ps 119:43 Don’t snatch the word of truth out of my mouth, for I put my hope in your ordinances.
2Co 6:7 in the word of truth, in the power of God, by the armor of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
2Ti 2:15 Give diligence to present yourself approved by God, a workman who doesn’t need to be ashamed, properly handling the Word of Truth.
Jas 1:18 Of his own will he gave birth to us by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.
the gospel
Mk 16:15-16 [15] He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to the whole creation. [16] He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who disbelieves will be condemned.
Ac 13:26 “Brothers, children of the stock of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, the word of this salvation is sent out to you.
Ro 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the Good News of Christ, because it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first, and also for the Greek.
2Ti 3:15 From infancy, you have known the holy Scriptures which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Tt 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
Heb 2:3 how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation—which at the first having been spoken through the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard,
ye were
*Eph 4:30 Don’t grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
*2Co 1:22 who also sealed us and gave us the down payment of the Spirit in our hearts.
Jn 6:27 Don’t work for the food which perishes, but for the food which remains to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For God the Father has sealed him.”
Ro 4:11 He received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they might be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might also be accounted to them.
2Ti 2:19 However, God’s firm foundation stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let every one who names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.”
Re 7:2 I saw another angel ascend from the sunrise, having the seal of the living God. He cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was given to harm the earth and the sea,
holy
*Ac 2:33 Being therefore exalted by the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this which you now see and hear.
Joe 2:28 “It will happen afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters will prophesy. Your old men will dream dreams. Your young men will see visions.
Lk 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?”
Lk 24:49 Behold, I send out the promise of my Father on you. But wait in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high.”
Jn 14:16-17 [16] I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, that he may be with you forever: [17] the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive, for it doesn’t see him and doesn’t know him. You know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
Jn 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you.
Jn 15:26 “When the Counselor has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will testify about me.
Jn 16:7-15 [7] Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I don’t go away, the Counselor won’t come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. [8] When he has come, he will convict the world about sin, about righteousness, and about judgment; [9] about sin, because they don’t believe in me; [10] about righteousness, because I am going to my Father, and you won’t see me any more; [11] about judgment, because the prince of this world has been judged. [12] “I still have many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now. [13] However, when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he hears, he will speak. He will declare to you things that are coming. [14] He will glorify me, for he will take from what is mine and will declare it to you. [15] All things that the Father has are mine; therefore I said that he takes of mine and will declare it to you.
Ac 1:4 Being assembled together with them, he commanded them, “Don’t depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which you heard from me.
Ac 2:16-22 [16] But this is what has been spoken through the prophet Joel: [17] ‘It will be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh. Your sons and your daughters will prophesy. Your young men will see visions. Your old men will dream dreams. [18] Yes, and on my servants and on my handmaidens in those days, I will pour out my Spirit, and they will prophesy. [19] I will show wonders in the sky above, and signs on the earth beneath: blood, and fire, and billows of smoke. [20] The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and glorious day of the Lord comes. [21] It will be that whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ [22] “Men of Israel, hear these words! Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God to you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him among you, even as you yourselves know,
Ga 3:14 that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Reciprocal
Ex 28:11 With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, you shall engrave the two stones, according to the names of the children of Israel. You shall make them to be enclosed in settings of gold.
2Ch 16:7 At that time Hanani the seer came to Asa king of Judah, and said to him, “Because you have relied on the king of Syria, and have not relied on Yahweh your God, therefore the army of the king of Syria has escaped out of your hand.
Ps 86:2 Preserve my soul, for I am godly. You, my God, save your servant who trusts in you.
Ps 125:1 A Song of Ascents. Those who trust in Yahweh are as Mount Zion, which can’t be moved, but remains forever.
Pr 16:20 He who heeds the Word finds prosperity. Whoever trusts in Yahweh is blessed.
So 2:12 The flowers appear on the earth. The time of the singing has come, and the voice of the turtledove is heard in our land.
So 4:12 My sister, my bride, is a locked up garden; a locked up spring, a sealed fountain.
So 8:5 Who is this who comes up from the wilderness, leaning on her beloved? Beloved Under the apple tree I awakened you. There your mother conceived you. There she was in labor and bore you.
Je 32:10 I signed the deed, sealed it, called witnesses, and weighed the money in the balances to him.
Eze 36:27 I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes. You will keep my ordinances and do them.
Da 3:28 Nebuchadnezzar spoke and said, “Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who has sent his angel and delivered his servants who trusted in him, and have changed the king’s word, and have yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god except their own God.
Zep 3:12 But I will leave among you an afflicted and poor people, and they will take refuge in Yahweh’s name.
Mt 12:21 In his name, the nations will hope.”
Lk 15:22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring out the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet.
Jn 4:14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never thirst again; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”
Jn 5:23 that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who doesn’t honor the Son doesn’t honor the Father who sent him.
Jn 7:39 But he said this about the Spirit, which those believing in him were to receive. For the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus wasn’t yet glorified.
Jn 14:1 “Don’t let your heart be troubled. Believe in God. Believe also in me.
Jn 17:23 I in them, and you in me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know that you sent me and loved them, even as you loved me.
Ac 9:31 So the assemblies throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were built up. They were multiplied, walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit.
Ro 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, set apart for the Good News of God,
Ro 5:5 and hope doesn’t disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Ro 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.
Ro 8:15-16 [15] For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” [16] The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God;
Ro 15:12 Again, Isaiah says, “There will be the root of Jesse, he who arises to rule over the Gentiles; in him the Gentiles will hope.”
1Co 15:19 If we have only hoped in Christ in this life, we are of all men most pitiable.
2Co 1:20 For however many are the promises of God, in him is the “Yes.” Therefore also through him is the “Amen”, to the glory of God through us.
2Co 5:5 Now he who made us for this very thing is God, who also gave to us the down payment of the Spirit.
Ga 2:5 to whom we gave no place in the way of subjection, not for an hour, that the truth of the Good News might continue with you.
Ga 3:2 I just want to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by hearing of faith?
Ga 4:6 And because you are children, God sent out the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!”
Eph 1:12 to the end that we should be to the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Christ.
Eph 6:5 Servants, be obedient to those who according to the flesh are your masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as to Christ,
Php 1:27 Only let your way of life be worthy of the Good News of Christ, that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your state, that you stand firm in one spirit, with one soul striving for the faith of the Good News;
Php 2:1 If therefore there is any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassion,
Php 2:19 But I hope in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy to you soon, that I also may be cheered up when I know how you are doing.
2Ti 1:12 For this cause I also suffer these things. Yet I am not ashamed, for I know him whom I have believed, and I am persuaded that he is able to guard that which I have committed to him against that day.
Jas 1:21 Therefore, putting away all filthiness and overflowing of wickedness, receive with humility the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
1Pe 1:8 whom, not having known, you love. In him, though now you don’t see him, yet believing, you rejoice greatly with joy that is unspeakable and full of glory,
1Pe 1:21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope might be in God.
civic
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Overwhelm them with the truth, AMEN !
Kenny
Active Member
@civic
I'm a free willing whosoever, And I'm so glad Jesus set me free.
Singing glory, hallelujah
Jesus set me free.
@civic
I used to be a Calvinist but Jesus set me free.
Calvinism had me bound
But Jesus set me free
Calvinism had me bound
But Jesus set me free
Calvinism had me bound
But Jesus set me free
Singing glory, hallelujah
Singing glory, hallelujah
Singing glory, hallelujah
Jesus set me free
I'm a free willing whosoever, And I'm so glad Jesus set me free.
Singing glory, hallelujah
Jesus set me free.
@civic
I used to be a Calvinist but Jesus set me free.
Calvinism had me bound
But Jesus set me free
Calvinism had me bound
But Jesus set me free
Calvinism had me bound
But Jesus set me free
Singing glory, hallelujah
Singing glory, hallelujah
Singing glory, hallelujah
Jesus set me free
civic
Active Member
That use to be me, I resemble that remark/song.
praise_yeshua
Active Member
Isn't it a wonder to be able to tell EVERYONE that God has made a way for them where they can live forever? Isn't it wonderful to be able to tell everyone that CHRIST is the Elect of God. That through Christ... EVERYONE has equal access and opportunity to fellowship with God.
I just saw the other day where a person asked Mike Winger about doubting the benevolence/love of God within the context of loving their own family..... Just how can God love "me" and not love those........ I LOVE......
I can't imagine how someone can believe God loves them yet hates those just like them. I've tried to get others to deal with this very real and tangible world experience for a very long time..... Praise God you're free!
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