1000 thousand years is not literal

[civic]

In dispensational premillennialism, the 70 weeks of Daniel (Daniel 9:24-27) is interpreted as a precise, literal 490-year timeline that God has determined for the nation of Israel and the city of Jerusalem. The "weeks" (Hebrew shabuim) are understood to be sevens of years (70 x 7 = 490 years in total), not days.
The prophecy is broken down into three main periods, with a significant "gap" in time after the 69th week:

The First 69 Weeks (483 Years)
This period is divided into two sections totaling 69 weeks (7 weeks + 62 weeks, or 49 years + 434 years = 483 years).

• Starting Point: The timeline begins with the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, most commonly identified as the decree by King Artaxerxes in 445 or 444 B.C..
• Duration: This 483-year period covers the time of the rebuilding of Jerusalem (in "troublous times") and extends until the coming of the Messiah.
• End Point: At the end of the 69th week, the Messiah (Jesus Christ) would be "cut off" (crucified). This event is precisely dated by some calculations to the time of Jesus' Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem. The destruction of the city and the temple by the Romans in 70 A.D. is also seen as occurring "after" the 69 weeks, within the subsequent gap.

The "Gap" (The Church Age)
A central tenet of the dispensational view is the insertion of an indefinite time gap or "parenthesis" between the 69th and 70th weeks.

• Reasoning: During this unprophesied gap, God's prophetic "clock" for Israel is paused. This entire period, lasting nearly 2,000 years (our current age), is understood as the Church Age, during which God focuses on building the Church (composed of both Jews and Gentiles).
• Biblical Basis: Dispensationalists argue that the Old Testament prophets often merged the first and second comings of the Messiah into one prophetic view, allowing for this extended gap in time between the events.

The 70th Week (The Final 7 Years)
The final "week" (a literal seven-year period) is seen as a future event that will restart God's timeline for Israel after the Church is raptured (removed from the earth). This period is commonly identified as the Great Tribulation.

• The Antichrist's Covenant: The 70th week begins when a future world leader (the Antichrist, or "the prince who is to come" mentioned in seven-year peace covenant with Israel.
• The Abomination of Desolation: In the middle of this week (after 3.5 years), the Antichrist will break the covenant, stop the Jewish sacrifices in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, and set up an idol, an event referred to as the "abomination of desolation".
• The Second Coming: The final 3.5 years mark the "Great Tribulation" (or "time of Jacob's trouble"). The period ends with the literal, physical return of Jesus Christ to defeat the Antichrist and establish His Millennial Kingdom.

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[civic]

Isreal 1948 is a fulfillment of bible prophecy


For many evangelical Christians, particularly those adhering to
dispensational premillennialism, the establishment of the modern state of Israel on May 14, 1948, is considered a significant and miraculous fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
This perspective views the event as a major "sign of the end times" and a necessary step for the remaining end-time prophecies to unfold.

Key Prophecies Cited as Fulfilled in 1948
Proponents of this view often point to several Old Testament passages as predictions of this event:

• A Nation "Born in One Day": such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment?". The declaration of independence happened quickly on May 14, 1948, immediately after the British mandate ended, which is seen as a literal fulfillment of being "born at once".
• The Regathering of the Jewish People:Prophecies from Ezekiel and Jeremiah regarding the return of the Jewish people from their global dispersion to the land of Israel are seen as having begun with the establishment of the state.
  • Ezekiel 36:24 "For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land."
  • Jeremiah 16:15 Mentions bringing the children of Israel "again into their land that I gave to their fathers."
• A Regathering in Unbelief: Many dispensationalists believe the initial regathering in 1948 occurred while the majority of the Jewish people were in a state of spiritual "unbelief" (not yet accepting Jesus as the Messiah), which they see as another specific element of prophecy that sets the stage for the Tribulation and their eventual mass conversion.

Significance in Dispensational Theology
For this theological framework, the 1948 event is crucial because:

• It restarts God's "prophetic clock" for Israel, which was "paused" during the Church Age.
• It is a prerequisite for the rebuilding of the Third Temple in Jerusalem, as a sovereign Jewish entity must be in place to allow for temple worship and sacrifices to resume.
• It confirms a belief that God still has a distinct, literal plan for the nation-state of Israel, separate from the Church, thus refuting "replacement theology" (which holds that the Church has superseded Israel).

This interpretation is highly popular among many evangelicals and Christian Zionists, who view modern Israel's existence as powerful evidence of the accuracy of the Bible and a clear indicator that the return of Jesus Christ is drawing near.

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[civic]

Gotta love AI.

we are living in the bible's prophetic last days before Jesus returns

The belief that humanity is currently living in the "last days" or "end times" preceding Jesus' return is
a central tenet of Dispensational Premillennialism and is widely held within many evangelical and fundamentalist Christian circles.

Arguments for Living in the Last Days
Proponents of this view cite several contemporary global trends and events as specific fulfillments of biblical prophecy, suggesting the return of Christ is imminent:

• The Rebirth of Israel (1948): As mentioned previously, this is considered the most significant sign. The existence of the modern State of Israel is seen as the "fig tree blossoming," indicating that all other end-time events can now begin to unfold.
• A "One World" System: The rise of globalism, international governing bodies (like the UN), international finance systems, and advanced technology are often interpreted as preparing the groundwork for the Antichrist's single global government, economy (Mark of the Beast), and religion predicted in the Book of Revelation.
• Moral Decay and Lawlessness: Observers point to high crime rates, the normalization of behaviors traditionally considered sinful, and a general abandonment of Christian morality as evidence of the spiritual decline described in Matthew 24.
• Increased Knowledge and Travel: The rapid advancement of technology, instantaneous global communication (the internet, smartphones), and ease of worldwide travel are sometimes seen as fulfillments of which speaks of "many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased" in the time of the end.
• Global Instability: The continuous cycle of wars, widespread natural disasters, pandemics, and civil unrest are interpreted as the "birth pains" or "beginning of sorrows" described by Jesus in Matthew 24.
• The Church's Role: Many feel that the global preaching of the gospel is nearing completion, which is a prerequisite before the end comes

 

[civic]

AI role in Daniels prophecy that knowledge will increase in the last days



In dispensational premillennialism, AI and rapid technological advancement are often seen as direct fulfillments of the prophecy in
Daniel 12:4
.
The verse states: "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased".
Here's how AI is interpreted within this framework:

• Exponential Knowledge Growth: The development of computers, the internet, and now artificial intelligence has led to an explosion of information, where global knowledge is estimated to be doubling at an incredibly rapid rate, far beyond anything experienced in history. This aligns remarkably with the prophecy that "knowledge shall be increased".
• A Sign of the End Times: For those holding this view, the current technological revolution serves as a clear indicator that humanity is living in the "time of the end" that Daniel was told about.
• Global Connectivity: The phrase "many shall run to and fro" is often interpreted in two ways:
  • Increased Travel: The development of modern transportation (cars, airplanes) has made global travel commonplace, a phenomenon unique to the last century.
  • Information Flow: It also describes people urgently seeking knowledge or the rapid, instantaneous dissemination of information globally via digital technology.
• Tool for the Antichrist: While technology itself is seen as a fulfillment of prophecy, the application of AI is also viewed with discernment. The potential for AI to manage a global, cashless economy, use sophisticated surveillance, and facilitate a one-world system is seen as paving the way for the Antichrist to exert unprecedented control during the Tribulation period, including implementing the Mark of the Beast.
• A Deeper Understanding of Prophecy: The increase in knowledge is also believed to involve a deeper understanding of biblical prophecies themselves. Events that were sealed to Daniel and difficult to comprehend are becoming clearer as modern events mirror the prophetic descriptions.

In essence, AI is seen not as explicitly mentioned in the Bible, but as the powerful means through which specific end-times conditions, described thousands of years ago, are finally made possible.

 

[Achilles]

The thousand years’ reign is the direct administration of divine government on earth for one thousand years by our Lord and His saints. Its earthly center will be Jerusalem and the nation Israel, though Christ and His saints will rule in heavenly resurrection bodies in the New Jerusalem and will take the place now occupied by angels (Hebrews 2:5–8). Satan, as we have seen, will be in the abyss during the thousand years; and his “host of the high ones on high” will be “prisoners gathered in the pit, and shut up in the prison” during that time (Isaiah 24:21–23).

William R. Newell, The Book of Revelation

Now that we have that out of the way...what time is breakfast ready?

 

[GallagherM]

Doesn’t matter all ai is doing is taking what others said and putting it together…

 

[GallagherM]

I disagree with you no matter what you say.

Or share…

I’ve stated already people need to look at the narrative itself.

 

[GallagherM]

I love freedom of choice.

I believe Jesus came and was seen just as he was promised to when he first left.

That’s my choice. I don’t have any proof but I will say if the people in that day whom were waiting were lied too…

Then so are many other people continued to be lied too, not only by the narrative but by others themselves.

Be ignorance or just willingly ignoring those things.



It’s not a judgement of their character it’s a judgement of the flawed perspective of which has been doubtlessly thrown around for 1000 years.


It’s like, when you have a day and you say this is the longest day of my life when there remains 24 hours of every day regardless of it.

 

[armylngst]

Show me John’s gravesite.

St. John's Basilica in Ephesus, Turkey.

Show me Jesus’s gravesite.

Sry, He's not here, He got up and left a long time ago, after hanging out with the disciples showing them where they went wrong with prophecy. They got it wrong again when it came to what comes next. How do we know they still weren't fully tracking on future prophecy? The question they asked in Acts. "Will you now restore the Kingdom to Israel?" He not only didn't say no, He said it was none of their business knowing when, now get out their and preach. Peter got it wrong on Pentecost, though he wasn't wrong about the Holy Spirit coming, he was wrong about timing. The prophecies in the Old Testament speak of a later outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Israel, while Acts was the coming of the Holy Spirit marking the birth of the church. Just as the disciples got it wrong with Jesus first coming not being when He would crush the Romans and establish the Kingdom, they missed the church because the Old Testament doesn't speak of the church. As Paul says, the church was a mystery in the Old Testament. We are not in the Kingdom, we are in the time of the church, and the spread of the gospel around the world. If Jesus came in 70 AD and started the Kingdom then, why was Polycarp still here? Irenaeus? Papias? The apostle John, who was a driving force in Polycarp becoming the Bishop of Smyrna, of which God, in Revelation, had absolutely NOTHING bad to say about? He didn't say, to the Bishop of Smyrna, get your life right or you die, did He? Polycarp was a disciple of John the apostle as was Ignatius. Papias was a disciple of Polycarp. [Disciple meaning student.]

no one can.

For John the apostle's tomb, that is what is believed. The Basilica was built in the 4th century, supposedly with apostle John's tomb inside/underneath. Perhaps like Lazarus's tomb, which was discovered in 290AD I believe. The inscription on the tomb could only be said of Lazarus. It is believed that Lazarus freed Israel after being threatened with death, and became the Bishop of a church. It is believed that he died around the age of 60, about 30 years after his first death.

 

[armylngst]

And this world has never experienced 1,000 years of peace let alone 10 years. So we know the millennium is still future.

And we know His 2nd Coming with is visible that everyone in the world will see it. This will be the most grandiose event the world has ever seen or experienced. If it happened it would be in the history books, not some secret return only a few had seen.

I'm sure there isn't a historian in the world who wouldn't try to be the first to report on it if it already happened.

 

[GallagherM]

Good luck proving all that.

 

[civic]

Show me John’s gravesite.

Show me Jesus’s gravesite.

no one can.

John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.

2 Corinthians 5:7
For we walk by faith, not by sight.

Romans 8:24-25
For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? / But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.



hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

Good luck setting your mind on the things above that you cannot see or setting your mind on the Spirit whom you cannot see.

Colossians 3:2
Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.

Romans 8:5-6
Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. / The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,

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[GallagherM]

It doesn’t negate what’s has been talked about.

 

[GallagherM]

I simply asked a question. To show me those things. Historically you really can’t show me where he was buried or where John was buried or when he “died”.

 

[GallagherM]

You can only debate about the matters and there are always two or more different views.

@civic.

That doesn’t add any weight to your argument that Jesus is coming back today.

That’s all I have to say. It doesn’t help.

You also don’t like the way I say things either so it doesn’t matter to you what I may say or think.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

The Thousand Years: Symbolic Completion, Not Chronological Countdown

In the final analysis, it's really nothing but "Man's Theology", which is like noses. Everybody's got one. In my case, one of two things will happen:

In the not-so-distant future, my physical life will terminate, And I expect to have a NEW HOME on the other side of the grass.

OR:

I'll hear a trumpet, and be OUTTA HERE and in my NEW HOME on the other side of the grass.

I'll take it in whatever form it comes, and simply IGNORE "Man's religious opinions" about the future.

 

[Durg]

You would be hard pressed to convince me of that. How many times is the "1,000 years' mentioned? Only to say it doesn't imply 1,000 literal years.

 

[armylngst]

I simply asked a question. To show me those things. Historically you really can’t show me where he was buried or where John was buried or when he “died”.

John was buried (they believe) under the Basilica in Ephesus, Turkey. It is believed he died around 100 AD, while most agree it was of natural causes. Before he died (which puts it at 100AD or later), John backed Polycarp becoming the Bishop of Smyrna. Polycarp, also died. There is a record of it, and what he had to say before they killed him. If you want to read a true story of faith, read about Polycarp's martyrdom. It is something else. A true man of God.

John died, everyone died. Lazarus died... again. The inscription on the tomb discovered in 890 AD, I believe, is pretty clear that it is the grave/tomb of Lazarus by the inscription “Lazarus the Four Days Dead, a friend of Christ.”

So while we can't be sure when he died, we may know exactly where he was buried. They built a church on the spot, which is something the icon worshiping Catholics/orthodox are, I want to say, well known for. The point is, especially for the preterists, Jesus has not returned yet. However, if you look at it from a Dispensational viewpoint, it is getting closer. The one thing we do not know is... when is the rapture? Imminent. We have all the signs that speak to the coming Tribulation. We have the Old Testament prophecies. Going by that, the end has not happened yet. And I would say that it is because God is still working with the church, which was a mystery in the Old Testament that the disciples did not fully grasp, though Peter did come to see it as one can see in his epistles. It was becoming more obvious to him that he wrote that God was not being slack in His promise, but that for the sake of the elect of whom He wants none to perish, he has not returned yet. This is also why so many speak of people running around saying Jesus is here, or He's out in the wilderness. Even with the idea of imminency, do not believe them. And don't side with those who mock the idea that Christ has not yet returned... He will, and they won't be happy to see Him.

 

[GallagherM]

Okay cool. Army. Idk what is true or not. People have to think for themselves correct?

Just cause you may believe a certain way about things doesn’t mean a person can’t have a different opinion.

It’s not like the person you are talking to ; that being me. Is not a believer in the resurrection of Yeshua including the death - burial.

I just also believe Jesus came back as promised compared to man’s opinion of him never having come.

You understand that reasoning don’t you.