1000 thousand years is not literal

[civic]

That last bit makes absolutely no sense. First of all it was 1948. Second of all, it is a regathering following their last and final exile recorded in the Old Testament. The regathering is for judgment, after which there will be a regathering to redemption, which we see in Zechariah, Revelation, and other prophecies.

What do you make of Daniel 12:4 with our specific generation ? There was no other generation that could travel like we do now or have the knowledge we now possess with AI.

But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase.”

 

[GallagherM]

I’m sure the apostles knew what was up once the Holy Spirit dropped.

And a promised return to those in that day to a day which would never be so great again happened.

Of course it’s by faith I believe so. No proof needed.


Some continuously say for each and every generation this supposed great and dreadful day is suppose to happen but it wasn’t written to us but those twelve tribes in that day.

 

[GallagherM]

There is no longer any bloodline documents which you can say “I’m of Abraham’s loins.”

 

[GallagherM]

I talked to a dude at Taco Bell during the Hillary vs trump elections speaking on dual prophecy before. So I think some of that stuff is just a lot of political and religion brought up to today’s generation.

 

[armylngst]

What do you make of Daniel 12:4 with our specific generation ? There was no other generation that could travel like we do now or have the knowledge we now possess with AI.

But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase.”

Makes sense to me. Consider the two witnesses. Before now it would not be possible for the whole world to see them after they are killed by the beast. Now, it's in the palm of your hand, on your TV, or on your computer. Facebook, youtube, Twitch, etc. Totally possible now.

 

[armylngst]

I’m sure the apostles knew what was up once the Holy Spirit dropped.

They knew something was happening, however, they may not have understood the scope of the church, which was not mentioned in the Old Testament, but was a mystery, and the church age. Just as Jesus didn't come as the end of the world, but had to die first, return to heaven while His church was built, and then return at a later time. Even in Matthew 24 it said that the gospel would reach the whole world, all the nations, before the end.

And a promised return to those in that day to a day which would never be so great again happened.

He promised to return, and He will. He is still building HIs church, and it still awaits, or is in the midst of, the great falling away, the great deception. The church is at the point where many aren't even bothering to defend against false teachings anymore. They welcome it with open arms.

Of course it’s by faith I believe so. No proof needed.

Some continuously say for each and every generation this supposed great and dreadful day is suppose to happen but it wasn’t written to us but those twelve tribes in that day.

The New Testament was written for the church, so includes today. However it is true that we must never forget the audience, or well will miss some of the meaning. Such as, when it says women are to be silent in the church, doesn't mean to tell them to shut up. It has to do with what was happening in that particular church at that time. The women were disrupting the service, interrupting the pastor/preacher/teacher to ask questions. Paul was simply saying the women were not to disrupt the service. Instead, ask their husbands at home. Paul put the husbands on notice. Just as they were to ask their husbands at home, they were to be able to answer... The spiritual head of the family.

Jesus is returning, and it will be at the end of the church age. Two parts of one program. The redemption of Israel the nation (that is the elect that are still within), and the redemption of the church (Jew and Gentile believers in the church.) Daniel speaks of the Kingdom coming to Earth when the rock destroys the statue that is the image of the times of the Gentiles, and the four great empires. Nebuchandezzar (as the gold head represents him, not Babylon), the Medo-Persian empire, the Greek Empire, and Imperialism, which started with Rome. The Colonial period was all about Imperialism. And then the newly formed Unitted States of America just happens to choose a government based on the Republic of Rome. What goes around comes around.

 

[GallagherM]

I disagree with you.

That's all I can do. I'm okay with whatever people believe for themselves.

I just don't have to agree, it's that simple really.

I have no faith in that Jesus is coming today. I do have faith that he did return as promise to those people in that day whom made up the church which the Apostles governed over. They are all gone now.

 

[armylngst]

I disagree with you.

That's all I can do. I'm okay with whatever people believe for themselves.

I just don't have to agree, it's that simple really.

I have no faith in that Jesus is coming today. I do have faith that he did return as promise to those people in that day whom made up the church which the Apostles governed over. They are all gone now.

What is the issue in believing that? I think Jesus was pretty clear in Matthew 24 that when He returned, every believer would be taken to Him (the elect), and therefore there would be no believers left on Earth. However, John the apostle didn't die until after 100 AD. If all the believers were taken away, there could be no believers today. Scripture is clear, salvation comes from hearing the word. If there was no one to preach the word, no salvation. That means, everyone, every last man, woman, and child, born after Jesus returned is... well, hellbound. No salvation.

 

[GallagherM]

Who said to stop sharing Jesus and his accomplishments?

 

[GallagherM]

People specualate on all kinds of things.

I just believe Jesus, and his apostles when readining the narrative of how they were told to continue to wait and watch and continue to have faith and they would see him.

I don't believe that has anything to do with us today.

While that discourages people - saying "well where is your hope matthew?"

I hope to live in this world, and then die and be resurrected and go on to be with God.......

That's not to hard to understand for most people and much more simple than anything else.


Cause people need to be doing everything that Jesus said in order to get to the heavenly kingdom in that day, otherwise they would miss the boat well - which was said to a few churchs founded in revelation.


I don't accept the whole "John died in 100ad theory." I believe he was taken when Jesus came, and didn't live past 100ad.



But hey these types of things come up with people all the time... so its no real reason to debate it...

while people can say well Matthew 24... yeah there is also Mark, and Luke to look at as well....

but alas believe what you want. I don't care in the end.

Never trust me or others.

 

[armylngst]

Who said to stop sharing Jesus and his accomplishments?

All those who knew/know Him are gone, so who can?

 

[GallagherM]

Uh you.


lol I love still going through the bible.


But if you don’t get why idk what to tell you.

 

[armylngst]

People specualate on all kinds of things.
I just believe Jesus, and his apostles when readining the narrative of how they were told to continue to wait and watch and continue to have faith and they would see him.
I don't believe that has anything to do with us today.

While that discourages people - saying "well where is your hope matthew?"

I hope to live in this world, and then die and be resurrected and go on to be with God.......

That's not to hard to understand for most people and much more simple than anything else.


Cause people need to be doing everything that Jesus said in order to get to the heavenly kingdom in that day, otherwise they would miss the boat well - which was said to a few churchs founded in revelation.


I don't accept the whole "John died in 100ad theory." I believe he was taken when Jesus came, and didn't live past 100ad.

Why don't you accept the historical fact? He lived long enough to see Polycarp at Smyrna after 95AD. Even Iraeneus said that the people saw John after 96AD when Domitian died. (Towards the end of his reign). He also took Revelation to Smyrna to be published and spread out throughout the church.

Consider:
"30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

I don't remember Josephus writing anything about the sign of the Son of man, and seeing the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven, do you?

Matthew 24: "14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

The whole world will hear of Christ before He returns. That is all the nations. It doesn't speak to every individual.

 

[GallagherM]

I just don’t have to accept it.

I believe Jesus already returned… without proof and in faith.

So there is no reason to debate…

I’m okay with seeming foolish to people.

 

[GallagherM]

Show me John’s gravesite.

Show me Jesus’s gravesite.

no one can.

 

[civic]

What is the issue in believing that? I think Jesus was pretty clear in Matthew 24 that when He returned, every believer would be taken to Him (the elect), and therefore there would be no believers left on Earth. However, John the apostle didn't die until after 100 AD. If all the believers were taken away, there could be no believers today. Scripture is clear, salvation comes from hearing the word. If there was no one to preach the word, no salvation. That means, everyone, every last man, woman, and child, born after Jesus returned is... well, hellbound. No salvation.

And this world has never experienced 1,000 years of peace let alone 10 years. So we know the millennium is still future.

And we know His 2nd Coming with is visible that everyone in the world will see it. This will be the most grandiose event the world has ever seen or experienced. If it happened it would be in the history books, not some secret return only a few had seen.

 

[GallagherM]

don’t believe anyone and what they say don’t get tangled in politics either realize the narrative of the gospel and acts and onward.

Free your mind from countless of thousands of years of religious oppression.

Cause if they aren’t doing everything that was stated …

lol…
What does that mean.

 

[GallagherM]

It means people are promoting false hope.

 

[civic]

Even AI got it right lol.

Yes, Christian theology describes Jesus' second coming as a literal, visible, glorious, and worldwide event, a climactic moment when He returns to Earth, with every eye seeing Him, followed by the resurrection and glorification of believers and judgment for the unrighteous, fulfilling prophecies and establishing His eternal kingdom. While preceded by signs like wars, famines, and the spreading of the Gospel, the exact time remains unknown, emphasizing the need for constant readiness.
Key Characteristics of the Second Coming:

• Literal & Visible: Unlike His first coming, Jesus will return physically, visibly, and personally, with great power and glory, as described in Acts 1:11 and Revelation 1:7.
• Worldwide & Universal: It will be seen by people across the entire globe, not a secret event.
• Climactic & Glorious: It's the culmination of history, a moment of ultimate judgment and the establishment of Christ's kingdom.
• Accompanied by Resurrection: The righteous dead will be resurrected, and the righteous living will be transformed (glorified) to meet Him.

Signs & Precursors Mentioned in Scripture:

• The Gospel preached to all nations (Matthew 24:14).
• Wars, famines, earthquakes, and pestilences.
• False Christs and prophets deceiving many (Matthew 24:5, 24).
• Signs in the heavens (darkened sun, falling stars).
• A great tribulation period.

Theological Significance:

• It fulfills Old Testament prophecies about Israel's restoration and the world-wide regathering.
• It's the hope of the church, the "grand climax of the gospel".
• It marks the defeat of the Antichrist and Satan.

The Unknown Time:

• Despite the signs, Jesus emphasized no one knows the "day or hour," urging believers to be ever-ready, as the event could happen at any unexpected moment (Matthew 24:36, 42, 44)

The global nature of the Second Coming stands in contrast to some views of the "rapture" (which is a separate theological concept for many denominations), which is sometimes described as a silent and secret removal of believers. The Second Coming, by contrast, is a definitive and undeniable public event that will climax world history

 

[civic]

continued:

Christian beliefs about the specific timeline of events preceding Jesus' return vary among different denominations and theological interpretations (e.g., dispensational premillennialism, amillennialism, postmillennialism). The following sequence generally reflects a common futurist, premillennial view, which is popular in many evangelical traditions:

General World Conditions ("Beginning of Sorrows")
Many Christians believe the return of Christ will be preceded by a general worsening of global conditions, often referred to as the "beginning of sorrows". These signs include:

• Widespread Wars: An increase in global conflict and rumors of wars.
• Natural Disasters: An increase in the frequency and intensity of famines, pestilences (diseases), and earthquakes in various places.
• Moral Decay and Lawlessness: A significant decline in societal morality, an increase in wickedness, and a "falling away" from true faith within the church.
• Rise of False Prophets and Christs: The emergence of many false religious leaders and individuals claiming to be the Messiah to deceive people.
• Global Preaching of the Gospel: The gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world to all nations before the end comes.

Specific Prophetic Events
More precise events that many believe will occur closer to the time of the Second Coming include:

• Restoration of Israel: The re-establishment of Israel as a nation and the regaining of Jewish control over Jerusalem are seen by many as key signs that the "end-time clock" has begun to tick.
• The Rapture (in some views): In the pretribulation view, the Church (all true believers) will be suddenly "caught up" to meet Christ in the air before a period of severe judgment begins on Earth.
• The Seven-Year Tribulation:A seven-year period of intense suffering and divine judgment on Earth. This period is marked by several events:
  • Covenant with Israel: A charismatic leader (the Antichrist or "man of lawlessness") will rise to power and confirm a peace covenant with Israel for seven years.
  • The Two Witnesses: Two prophets will preach in Jerusalem for 3.5 years, performing miracles before being killed and publicly resurrected.
  • Abomination of Desolation: At the midpoint of the seven years (3.5 years in), the Antichrist will break the covenant, occupy the rebuilt Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and declare himself to be God, demanding worship.
  • The Mark of the Beast: A system is established where people cannot buy or sell without receiving a specific mark (666).
  • Divine Judgments (Seals, Trumpets, Bowls): A series of increasingly severe judgments will be poured out upon the Earth, including natural disasters, cosmic disturbances, and widespread death.
• The Battle of Armageddon: At the end of the Tribulation, the nations of the world will gather to a place in the Middle East called Armageddon to fight against Jerusalem.

The Second Coming
Immediately following the Tribulation, Jesus will return in glory to defeat the Antichrist and his armies at the Battle of Armageddon and establish His kingdom on Earth

Premillennialism is a Christian eschatological (end-times) belief that Jesus Christ will return to Earth physically and visibly to establish a literal 1,000-year reign (the Millennium) before the final judgment and the creation of a new heaven and new earth.
This view is largely based on a literal interpretation of biblical prophecy, particularly Revelation 20:1-6, and the conviction that Old Testament promises to Israel regarding a future kingdom must be fulfilled literally on Earth.

Core Tenets of Premillennialism

• Literal Interpretation: Premillennialists typically interpret biblical prophecy literally (historical-grammatical hermeneutic), believing that prophecies concerning Christ's second coming should be fulfilled as literally as those about His first coming.
• Christ's Return: Jesus' Second Coming occurs before (pre-) the Millennium to initiate His earthly kingdom.
• Earthly Reign: Christ will set up His throne in Jerusalem and reign over the entire world for 1,000 years, bringing about universal peace and righteousness.
• Fulfillment of Covenants: This reign is seen as the necessary fulfillment of unconditional covenants made with Israel (e.g., the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants regarding land and a perpetual throne), which have not yet been fully realized

• Dispensational Premillennialism:
  • Israel and the Church: Views Israel and the Church as two distinct entities with separate plans in God's overall historical plan (dispensations).
  • The Rapture: Teaches a "pre-tribulation" rapture, where the Church is secretly and suddenly removed from Earth before a seven-year period of Great Tribulation begins.
  • Timeline: Features a highly detailed timeline of events, including the Antichrist's rise, the Tribulation, the Second Coming, the Millennium, and the final judgment, in that order.