Why Nobody Graduates From The Bible?

[Runningman]

so you are saying Jesus cannot be a High Priest because of his divinity!! You sure are limiting what God can do.

A reminder. You quote scripture as if you are making an argument. I reminded you that you are not showing a denial of Jesus divinity with your scripture quotes. Oh well for the unitarian weaknesses showing up again.

Jesus is a high priest, but not God because he is a high priest. People are not God because they are divine in the Bible.

The leap you are making to get to your conclusion is a common mistake made by Trinitarians. For example, being divine doesn't mean deity, being divine doesn't make someone God.

2 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Actually, Jesus isn't the only priest. Scripture states Jesus has made other priests to his God, the Father.

Revelation 1
6who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen.

 

[mikesw]

Jesus is a high priest, but not God because he is a high priest. People are not God because they are divine in the Bible.

The leap you are making to get to your conclusion is a common mistake made by Trinitarians. For example, being divine doesn't mean deity, being divine doesn't make someone God.

2 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Actually, Jesus isn't the only priest. Scripture states Jesus has made other priests to his God, the Father.

Revelation 1
6who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen.

Wow. I cannot believe how bad your memory is. I speak of divinity as being God. So if God is not God, the whole logic of scripture disappears. I suppose that is what gives room for the unitarian heresy to continue.

Being partakers of the divine nature speaks of Christ's Spirit in us. If Jesus is not divine, then his spirit cannot be in us. You again take a verse that you wish to deny Christ that actually reveals aspects of the Triune God.

I do not know why you keep posting with such big errors. I think you do so because you cannot see what the passages reveal. You will even doubt the meaning after it has been shared.

 

[mikesw]

Jesus is a high priest, but not God because he is a high priest. People are not God because they are divine in the Bible.

The leap you are making to get to your conclusion is a common mistake made by Trinitarians. For example, being divine doesn't mean deity, being divine doesn't make someone God.

2 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Also, proof texting is not bible study nor good debating. The interpretation has to be related to the context of the verse. In fact, your interpretation would support Mormonism, where everyone becomes a god and gets their own planet -- or something like that.
So you are providing some reasons why people do not graduate from the bible and not even get through the first grade of it.

 

[Runningman]

Wow. I cannot believe how bad your memory is. I speak of divinity as being God. So if God is not God, the whole logic of scripture disappears. I suppose that is what gives room for the unitarian heresy to continue.

Being partakers of the divine nature speaks of Christ's Spirit in us. If Jesus is not divine, then his spirit cannot be in us. You again take a verse that you wish to deny Christ that actually reveals aspects of the Triune God.

I do not know why you keep posting with such big errors. I think you do so because you cannot see what the passages reveal. You will even doubt the meaning after it has been shared.

Being divine isn't what makes someone God. That is nothing near what is ever stated anywhere in the Bible.

The wall you are going to keep hitting is that you are mixing your philosophy with the language of the Bible and isn't working out well for you.

Of course, you would need to deny that others are divine and change it some some religious sounding mumbo jumbo instead of using the language of the Bible. That's why you deny 2 Peter 1:4.

Let's ask you bluntly. Is it possible for you to share in the divine nature of God? A yes or no will suffice.

 

[Runningman]

Also, proof texting is not bible study nor good debating. The interpretation has to be related to the context of the verse. In fact, your interpretation would support Mormonism, where everyone becomes a god and gets their own planet -- or something like that.
So you are providing some reasons why people do not graduate from the bible and not even get through the first grade of it.

This seems to be a debate between your philosophy and the Bible. I think you're just looking for validation from other people because you can't find it in the Bible.

 

[mikesw]

Being divine isn't what makes someone God. That is nothing near what is ever stated anywhere in the Bible.

The wall you are going to keep hitting is that you are mixing your philosophy with the language of the Bible and isn't working out well for you.

Of course, you would need to deny that others are divine and change it some some religious sounding mumbo jumbo instead of using the language of the Bible. That's why you deny 2 Peter 1:4.

Let's ask you bluntly. Is it possible for you to share in the divine nature of God? A yes or no will suffice.

I think you blanked out when I shared with you about Christ being in Christians. So we have a down payment of God's Spirit in Christians. I guess that idea does not apply to you. You seek to diminish who Christ is while drastically overstating what people can do for righteousness.

The analysis I see of 2 Pet 1:4 of enjoyment of the Spirit of God in us. Here is a commentary to give some detail

In contrast to Hellenistic ideas, Peter maintains that corruption and mortality are not due to matter, but to sin. You do not escape them by cult initiation now and the immortality of the soul after death, but by God implanting a new nature, Christ’s own, within you, which will produce holiness of life now, and will flower into the fullness of knowing him after this life is over

Michael Green, 2 Peter and Jude: An Introduction and Commentary, vol. 18, Tyndale New Testament Commentaries (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1987), 85.

 

[mikesw]

This seems to be a debate between your philosophy and the Bible. I think you're just looking for validation from other people because you can't find it in the Bible.

Proverbs 16:25 (ESV)
25There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.

Your dependence solely on what seems right to you actually turns out to be a precarious path. If you have keener insight than all other people, you will have to demand that people bow down and worship you.

Okay. My point is that you do not have sufficient scope of understanding to even prove the minutes beliefs of your unitarian system of interpretation. You are wavering between unitarian beliefs and Mormon beliefs now. Those are pretty wild interpretations paths you take.

 

[Runningman]

I think you blanked out when I shared with you about Christ being in Christians. So we have a down payment of God's Spirit in Christians. I guess that idea does not apply to you. You seek to diminish who Christ is while drastically overstating what people can do for righteousness.

I just filter out your noise most of the time and stay on track to what will help you get saved. As far as Christians having the spirit of christ, yes, if by that you mean that Christians have the same spirit of anointing that Jesus has. The word "christ" does not exclusively refer to Jesus because the word "christ" means anointing. I am sure that is something you will reject as well.

The analysis I see of 2 Pet 1:4 of enjoyment of the Spirit of God in us. Here is a commentary to give some detail

So 2 Peter 1:4 explicitly states Christians can share in the divine nature. This is the very same divine nature of God. Don't overthink it. Can you have the nature of God or not?

 

[Runningman]

Proverbs 16:25 (ESV)
25There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.

Your dependence solely on what seems right to you actually turns out to be a precarious path. If you have keener insight than all other people, you will have to demand that people bow down and worship you.

Okay. My point is that you do not have sufficient scope of understanding to even prove the minutes beliefs of your unitarian system of interpretation. You are wavering between unitarian beliefs and Mormon beliefs now. Those are pretty wild interpretations paths you take.

Since the trinity is not stated in the Bible, described, or explained, and you use non-Biblical vocabulary to explain ideas that the Bible doesn't mention. Then do you understand that you are using philosophical reasoning to interpret the Bible with?

Scriptures teaches you are deceived. Doesn't feel good to find out you're deceived, but you must be made aware, and look internally for what went wrong instead of blaming those around you.

Colossians 2
8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ.

 

[mikesw]

I just filter out your noise most of the time and stay on track to what will help you get saved. As far as Christians having the spirit of christ, yes, if by that you mean that Christians have the same spirit of anointing that Jesus has. The word "christ" does not exclusively refer to Jesus because the word "christ" means anointing. I am sure that is something you will reject as well.

Wow. Again the unitarian diminishes who Christ is. Now the unitarians become annointed ones by their own ability instead of by Christ Jesus. I do not think you can hold to that doctrine while truly being a Christian.

So 2 Peter 1:4 explicitly states Christians can share in the divine nature. This is the very same divine nature of God. Don't overthink it. Can you have the nature of God or not?

I can appreciate your ignorance on these issues since you have already been misguided into unitarianism. I have shared the biblical concepts. You have rejected them.

 

[mikesw]

Since the trinity is not stated in the Bible, described, or explained, and you use non-Biblical vocabulary to explain ideas that the Bible doesn't mention. Then do you understand that you are using philosophical reasoning to interpret the Bible with?

Scriptures teaches you are deceived. Doesn't feel good to find out you're deceived, but you must be made aware, and look internally for what went wrong instead of blaming those around you.

You deny the divinity of Christ who is God per John 1:1. You deny his pre-existence in real form before Abraham and pretend that is just some textual prophecy. You are like one who crucifies Christ instead of following him.

Colossians 2
8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ.

Human tradition denies who Christ is. You are buried in human tradition.

 

[Runningman]

Wow. Again the unitarian diminishes who Christ is. Now the unitarians become annointed ones by their own ability instead of by Christ Jesus. I do not think you can hold to that doctrine while truly being a Christian.

So you are not anointed as Scripture states? I believe you are learning that you are actually not a Christian at all the more you read the Bible.

I can appreciate your ignorance on these issues since you have already been misguided into unitarianism. I have shared the biblical concepts. You have rejected them.

That explains why you are void of the Spirit of Truth. You reject it.

 

[Runningman]

You deny the divinity of Christ who is God per John 1:1. You deny his pre-existence in real form before Abraham and pretend that is just some textual prophecy. You are like one who crucifies Christ instead of following him.

Human tradition denies who Christ is. You are buried in human tradition.

But you deny Jesus completely. If we were to put you and Jesus side by side and listen to your sermons they would sound nothing alike. Jesus and the apostles preached God the Father, you're preaching something that was developed centuries later in the Catholic church.

 

[mikesw]

So you are not anointed as Scripture states? I believe you are learning that you are actually not a Christian at all the more you read the Bible.

That explains why you are void of the Spirit of Truth. You reject it.

You wish it were so in the hardness of your heart. Your doctrine is either always bad or you are becoming bitter and just sloppy in it.

 

[Runningman]

I can appreciate your ignorance on these issues since you have already been misguided into unitarianism. I have shared the biblical concepts. You have rejected them.

It also dawned on me after my last comment to you about having the nature of God. You don't want anything to do with that. It isn't that you are incapable of having it some day, but you are afraid to accept it because you believe having God's nature makes someone God. You reject the divine nature as something you can have, even though Peter said you could, because you use that as one of your talking points in your many arguments.

 

[Runningman]

You wish it were so in the hardness of your heart. Your doctrine is either always bad or you are becoming bitter and just sloppy in it.

The things you reject keep coming back to haunt you. So far, you seemed to have confessed to not being anointed, void of any spirit, and without a divine nature.

 

[mikesw]

So 2 Peter 1:4 explicitly states Christians can share in the divine nature. This is the very same divine nature of God.

We'll address this a bit more.
The lemma κοινων appears in 1 Timothy 5:22 (ESV)
Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, nor take part in the sins of others; keep yourself pure.

So you would be saying that a Christian laying hands on that sinful person becomes that sinful person. You then are saying in 2 Peter 1:4 that you are becoming God, taking on his nature -- without Christ's Spirit in you. You are your own god.

I would trust what the commentaries share about Christ Jesus's Spirit being in the Christians more than us becoming gods like mormons and, now, unitarians claim.

 

[mikesw]

The things you reject keep coming back to haunt you. So far, you seemed to have confessed to not being anointed, void of any spirit, and without a divine nature.

So you are saying I am confused since I do not see myself as the Messiah? I hardly think anyone would find that in my writing.

 

[Runningman]

So you are saying I am confused since I do not see myself as the Messiah? I hardly think anyone would find that in my writing.

Well, doesn't the Bible teach Christians to be Christ-like? Doesn't mean they are to be Jesus himself. Just be like Jesus. Sorry, yeah, you need to be like the Messiah, but not the Messiah. Not like the Messiah in a token sort of way, or in name only, but truly like Jesus. That's what the Bible teaches. I think even Trinitarians are supposed to agree with this part.

 

[mikesw]

Well, doesn't the Bible teach Christians to be Christ-like? Doesn't mean they are to be Jesus himself. Just be like Jesus. Sorry, yeah, you need to be like the Messiah, but not the Messiah. Not like the Messiah in a token sort of way, or in name only, but truly like Jesus. That's what the Bible teaches. I think even Trinitarians are supposed to agree with this part.

so you are backing off your claim that people will become additional gods. You are backing off saying followers of Christ become official anointed ones as if Christians also became God like Jesus.
The instructions are to live in unity, good temperament, taking care of the poor, humility. These make us adherents closer to his teachings but do not make us anointed ones independent of God's Spirit in us.