Who is Jesus?

[TomL]

Nothing about no offer in none of those scriptures

Again you offer only denial of scripture

These are clear offers

Isaiah 45:22 (LEB) — 22 Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none besides me.


God is telling men to turn to him and be saved.

Clearly there is an offer to be saved based on a condition: turning to God.

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.



John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

 

[TomL]

Not one

You even deny basic english

offer

present or proffer (something) for (someone) to accept or reject as desired:
John 3:15–18 (KJV 1900) — 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Isaiah 45:22 (LEB) — 22 Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none besides me.


God is telling men to turn to him and be saved.

Clearly there is an offer to be saved based on as condition turning to God

 

[brightfame52]

Again you offer only denial of scripture

These are clear offers

Isaiah 45:22 (LEB) — 22 Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none besides me.


God is telling men to turn to him and be saved.

Clearly there is an offer to be saved based on a condition: turning to God.

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.



John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

No offer there

 

[brightfame52]

You even deny basic english

offer

present or proffer (something) for (someone) to accept or reject as desired:
John 3:15–18 (KJV 1900) — 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Isaiah 45:22 (LEB) — 22 Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none besides me.


God is telling men to turn to him and be saved.

Clearly there is an offer to be saved based on as condition turning to God

There's no offer there

 

[TomL]

There's no offer there

You have a spiritual vision issue.

And consistently deny evidence and scripture.

You even deny basic english

offer

present or proffer (something) for (someone) to accept or reject as desired:

John 3:15–18 (KJV 1900) — 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Isaiah 45:22 (LEB) — 22 Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none besides me.


God is telling men to turn to him and be saved.

Clearly there is an offer to be saved based on a condition of turning to God.

Your denial of the word of God is rather saddening.

 

[TomL]

No offer there

Once Again you offer only denial of scripture

These are clear offers

Isaiah 45:22 (LEB) — 22 Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none besides me.


God is telling men to turn to him and be saved.

Clearly there is an offer to be saved based on a condition: turning to God.

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.



John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

 

[Peterlag]

1 Timothy 3:16 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. There are some Greek manuscripts that read, “God appeared in the flesh.” This reading of some Greek manuscripts has passed into some English versions, and the King James Version is one of them. Trinitarian scholars admit, however, that these Greek texts were altered by scribes in favor of the Trinitarian position. The reading of the earliest and best manuscripts is not “God” but rather “he who.” Almost all the modern versions have the verse as “the mystery of godliness is great, which was manifest in the flesh,” or some close equivalent.

 

[brightfame52]

You have a spiritual vision issue.

And consistently deny evidence and scripture.



Your denial of the word of God is rather saddening.

Neither of those scriptures are offers of salvation, you've been deceived into thinking that way.

 

[Amy]

Not one

Correct, many.

 

[Matthias]

Correct, many.

Does this count as a offer?

And they will dash you down to the ground, you [Jerusalem] and your children within you; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, [all] because you did not come progressively to recognize and know and understand [from observation and experience] the time of your visitation [that is, when God was visiting you, the time in which God showed Himself gracious toward you and offered you salvation through Christ].
Luke 19:44

 

[Matthias]

Universal atonement is the view that best accords with the bona fide gospel offer of salvation to all, and correlatively with the command to preach that gospel to all. The gospel sincerely offers salvation to any who will meet the conditions of repentance and faith.

 

[TomL]

Neither of those scriptures are offers of salvation, you've been deceived into thinking that way.

LOL you are moved even beyond blindness

John 3:15–18 (KJV 1900) — 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Isaiah 45:22 (LEB) — 22 Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none besides me.

 

[Matthias]

LOL you are moved even beyond blindness

John 3:15–18 (KJV 1900) — 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Isaiah 45:22 (LEB) — 22 Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none besides me.

Turn to me and be saved,

sounds like a offer to me..

 

[TomL]

Turn to me and be saved,

sounds like a offer to me..

Yes. That guy however, refuses to believe any verse that is contrary to his assumed theology.

 

[brightfame52]

Correct, many.

Im sure you think so

 

[dwight92070]

Hold your horses Bob... I'm just getting warmed up. Okay what about Creeds? Do they teach us about Jesus?

The word creed is from the Latin word credo, meaning “I believe.” Creeds are simple summaries of beliefs. A creed should give you a basic idea about your belief in Jesus. Let's find out what this one:

The Apostles’ Creed is perhaps the oldest and most widely accepted Christian creed. Though it is called the Apostles’ Creed, the apostles did not write it. In fact, no one knows for certain exactly when this creed was written. It is called the Apostles’ Creed because it summarizes the teachings of the apostles passed on to believers.

I believe in God, the Father almighty, Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried; he descended into hell;
on the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

The catholic church part Isn't exactly my cup of tea. But the rest of it teaches you about Jesus.

May I add my own testimony, which obviously is not direct Scripture?

Jesus is the purpose and meaning of life. Every word that proceeds from His mouth is the Word of God. We live and are sustained by His word.

Every creature in heaven, which includes ten thousand times ten thousand angels, and on earth and under the earth shouts out, "You are worthy of all glory and honor and blessing and dominion and riches, and wisdom, and might, and power, for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation." Taken from Rev. 5:12-13

The creeds are not scripture. I don't see Jesus descending into hell in the Bible. 1 Peter 3:18-20 seems to refer to the Holy Spirit in Noah preaching to his generation, not Jesus going into hell. Also Jesus said that He was three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, which seems to be saying simply that He was dead for three days and three nights.

By the way, why would Jesus go to hell in the first place? To preach to those who are being tormented? What would He possibly say to them? Their judgment is already set in stone.

One of the other creeds says that Jesus was "eternally begotten". Wrong, He was begotten only one time - from Mary's womb.

Then there are several creeds that are infested with Calvinism. BAD!!

For example, look at the following. The Heidelberg Catechism seems to be the only one that is not Calvinistic, but then, I don't know all of what it says either. I find it best to just focus on the Word and/or solid teaching on the Word.

1. The Westminster Confession of Faith emphasizes predestination and God's sovereignty.
2. The Belgic Confession outlines the Reformed faith, including the doctrines of grace.
3. The Heidelberg Catechism focuses on salvation through faith and God's covenant.
4. The Canons of Dort affirm the five points of Calvinism (TULIP).
5. The London Baptist Confession of 1689 reflects Calvinistic beliefs in Baptist theology.
6. The Synod of Dort established key Calvinistic doctrines in response to

So then, none of the creeds are "my cup of tea".

 

[civic]

May I add my own testimony, which obviously is not direct Scripture?

Jesus is the purpose and meaning of life. Every word that proceeds from His mouth is the Word of God. We live and are sustained by His word.

Every creature in heaven, which includes ten thousand times ten thousand angels, and on earth and under the earth shouts out, "You are worthy of all glory and honor and blessing and dominion and riches, and wisdom, and might, and power, for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation." Taken from Rev. 5:12-13

The creeds are not scripture. I don't see Jesus descending into hell in the Bible. 1 Peter 3:18-20 seems to refer to the Holy Spirit in Noah preaching to his generation, not Jesus going into hell. Also Jesus said that He was three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, which seems to be saying simply that He was dead for three days and three nights.

By the way, why would Jesus go to hell in the first place? To preach to those who are being tormented? What would He possibly say to them? Their judgment is already set in stone.

One of the other creeds says that Jesus was "eternally begotten". Wrong, He was begotten only one time - from Mary's womb.

Then there are several creeds that are infested with Calvinism. BAD!!

For example, look at the following. The Heidelberg Catechism seems to be the only one that is not Calvinistic, but then, I don't know all of what it says either. I find it best to just focus on the Word and/or solid teaching on the Word.

1. The Westminster Confession of Faith emphasizes predestination and God's sovereignty.
2. The Belgic Confession outlines the Reformed faith, including the doctrines of grace.
3. The Heidelberg Catechism focuses on salvation through faith and God's covenant.
4. The Canons of Dort affirm the five points of Calvinism (TULIP).
5. The London Baptist Confession of 1689 reflects Calvinistic beliefs in Baptist theology.
6. The Synod of Dort established key Calvinistic doctrines in response to

So then, none of the creeds are "my cup of tea".

Yep I do believe Jesus is the Eternal Son in the same way as we have the Eternal Father and Holy Spirit.

 

[dwight92070]

Yep I do believe Jesus is the Eternal Son in the same way as we have the Eternal Father and Holy Spirit.

Here we go again. Your response doesn't seem to have anything to do with my post. I reported this huge mixup just a few minutes ago. What's going on?

The posts that I referred to in my report show me saying things that I never said.

Also look at the numbers on these posts: #583 and #584 and #581 and #582. Something just went haywire!

 

[Samson]

When I look to Scripture to tell me about who Christ is, I'm immediately confronted with a question: Why did God see fit to provide the world with four Gospels? Why not just one definitive biography of Jesus?

It must have pleased God for His own reasons to give us four biographical portraits of Jesus, all looking at His person and work from slightly different perspectives.

In Matthew’s gospel, we are given a Jewish perspective; the emphasis is on Jesus as the fulfillment of numerous Old Testament prophecies, showing clearly that Jesus is the Messiah who had been promised in centuries past.

Mark’s gospel is brief and almost abrupt; it shows us the life of Jesus as a blaze of miracles across Palestine.

Then there is the portrait provided by Luke the physician, who was part of the Gentile community and a buddy of the Apostle Paul on his missionary journeys to the Gentile nations. He shows that Jesus did not come solely to save Jewish people, but also men and women from every tribe, tongue, and nation. Luke also provides many insights into the teaching of Jesus through parables.

Finally, my favorite, John. He provides a highly theological portrait of Christ, demonstrating that Jesus is the incarnation of truth, the light of the world, and the One in whom there is abundant life. Almost half of John’s gospel is devoted to the Passion Week of Jesus’ life, encompassing His triumphal entry into Jerusalem, His final teachings, and His betrayal, crucifixion, death, and resurrection.

But the gospel narratives do more than tell us about Jesus, His life, and His work; they also tell us how how we are to respond to Christ.

 

[Administrator]

Here we go again. Your response doesn't seem to have anything to do with my post. I reported this huge mixup just a few minutes ago. What's going on?

The posts that I referred to in my report show me saying things that I never said.

Also look at the numbers on these posts: #583 and #584 and #581 and #582. Something just went haywire!

I can delete them ( #33 or 34 or 35 or 36 or37 or #40) if you like.