When You See JERUSALEM Surrounded By Armies, Luke 21
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Selah
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The First Resurrection to immortality (ETERNAL LIFE) happens when Jesus returns as King of kings and Lord of lords (7th trumpet). Only believers who were never deceived attain to this First Resurrection.
Revelation 20:4-6 (NKJV) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received [his] mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Right. This shows those who were beheaded (or generally killed) were raised at an early time. The wicked seem to be left to be judged after that 1000s years period -- probably being judged in part by being witnesses to what the missed for not responding to the gospel.
That’s my point. We will receive bodies that will not die, and be like the angels at His coming and the resurrection.
That has not happened yet.
Amen.
The dead in Christ will be resurrected at His coming and the end of the age.
I will share now that the resurrection did happen at the expected time. But there is something to recognize in what Paul says, as in 1 Cor 15:50-52. Those who were alive certainly could not be resurrected like those who died because those alive already alive. What Paul was saying was those still living at the moment would not lose the benefits of the dead. So he shared that the living would still go on living as they were, among all other people. But they would have this change in what we might say is a spiritual attribute (spiritual body of 1 Cor 15:44) Otherwise, without Paul sharing this, their fear was they would lose out of this benefit. Though, they would not notice this benefit while they kept living.
I think this point will be disregarded and disliked. Yet, this seems to be the objective behind what Paul shares.
Tothalordbeallglory
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The sheep be looking forward TO THAT DAY indeed . To the LORD be the Glory to the LORD be all the praise .
The resurrection and rapture occur at His coming.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15
we who are alive and remain = are raptured
those who are asleep = are resurrected
When? The coming of the LORD; the second coming of Christ.
that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
Tothalordbeallglory
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Tothalordbeallglory
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Folks need to read them bibles my friend .
Many have no idea what occured to the king of israel
has occurred to christendom and this world .
Who will go forth to decieve this people that they may merge as one
and FALL .
And a voice said , I WILL GO and will convince them
of the dire urgency to meet , find common ground and believe the lie .
HOW SO
I will be a mouth IN ALL them nar prophets and liberal progressive
and realms of men
and shall a preach a love that can unify them all as one to find common ground
and to beleive this is the way for PEACE N SAFETY .
AND SO IT HAS. AND SO IT HAS . THEY all merging under the same
LIE my friend . The false love that can unify them to beleive they serve the same
GOD and that all religoins just need to love and find common ground
and this is the solutoin for PEACE n safety . OH but it is a liar my friend .
Leading them all to the day OF DESTRUCTION and perdition of ungodly men .
That which is of anti christ has come in its own name and its own version of love to lead this people
to the day of their destruction .
@Tothalordbeallglory
I have been busy posting in other areas and doing other projects, so let me pickup here and see where it shall take us.
The rapture (simple means caught up) and the resurrection of ALL, both the just and unjust shall occur on the last day, Per Jesus' teachings. There will be NO secret rapture as taught by the Premillennialism school of eschatology.
Tom, this should stop every mouth who teach a separate resurrection of the just and unjust. When Jesus said: "Marvel not at this" ~he just finished speaking about the FIRST resurrection which takes place when a sinner is born of the Spirit of God! Please consider carefully the Lord words:
This is the first Resurrection that we read about in Revelation 20 which I'm covering now in another thread. I have not yet gotten to that verse, but will by tomorrow I trust.
Yes the resurrection of our bodies are still in the future, but the time is drawing near, and is sooner than most believe, but the day and hour is hidden from us, even the year, we can only get close to the little season which without question is upon us, and has been I think since around 1850 when all begin to changed in a big way. Maybe more on this later.
God did allow their spirit which was WITH HIM to reunite with the bodies that had fallen to sleep, and that's all that is told us, nothing more. Just as Moses and Elijah appeared on teh mount with Christ, ALL three having their glorified bodies, yet afterward all return back normal. I'm assuming they return back with Christ, in their new bodies, much is still hidden form us, but we shall soon know even as we are known. We know that our gloried bodies will have the power to THINK/WILL to be somewhere and THEN appear, just as Christ did after his resurrection, again, at the moment our understanding is limited by God not revealing all to us.
If John can said that, then we surely must say the same.
There's another post you made I want to say something. I'll find later, and then post. Thank you for your time.
Greetings Tom,
I have been busy posting in other areas and doing other projects, so let me pickup here and see where it shall take us.
The rapture (simple means caught up) and the resurrection of ALL, both the just and unjust shall occur on the last day, Per Jesus' teachings. There will be NO secret rapture as taught by the Premillennialism school of eschatology.
John 5:28
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.Tom, this should stop every mouth who teach a separate resurrection of the just and unjust. When Jesus said: "Marvel not at this" ~he just finished speaking about the FIRST resurrection which takes place when a sinner is born of the Spirit of God! Please consider carefully the Lord words:
John 5:25
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”This is the first Resurrection that we read about in Revelation 20 which I'm covering now in another thread. I have not yet gotten to that verse, but will by tomorrow I trust.
Tom, not all arose, but many did.
Matthew 27:52
“And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,”God did allow their spirit which was WITH HIM to reunite with the bodies that had fallen to sleep, and that's all that is told us, nothing more. Just as Moses and Elijah appeared on teh mount with Christ, ALL three having their glorified bodies, yet afterward all return back normal. I'm assuming they return back with Christ, in their new bodies, much is still hidden form us, but we shall soon know even as we are known. We know that our gloried bodies will have the power to THINK/WILL to be somewhere and THEN appear, just as Christ did after his resurrection, again, at the moment our understanding is limited by God not revealing all to us.
1st John 3:2
“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”If John can said that, then we surely must say the same.
There's another post you made I want to say something. I'll find later, and then post. Thank you for your time.
MTMattie
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But you do not know that it didn't. I assume you are a regional flood person also?
And what do you do with those who insist the rapture happened in 70AD. Some preterists are adamant about it.
Or those who are certain Satan is bound today... and had his little loosening between the resurrection and 70AD before being bound again.... (Yes, I have read those who believe this)
MTMattie
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No problems. But I would follow your study if you start one.
Like I shared. Words are given in context. Additionally, Matthew records the focused interaction of Jesus with the people of Israel in accord with the prophecies pointing to their reconciliation with God achieved through their response to Jesus's warning of judgment of them. All that comes to the climax in the first century. However, I do not take this context as an exclusion that the gentiles were being included in the benefits through Christ.
I do not find it proper or meaningful to use the word "rapture" with any theological significance. The word suggests a physicality that does not fit with the apocalyptic language used by Paul.
As to the interpretations by the full preterists, they force a square peg into a round hole. Shrinking the 1000s years period to 40 is unacceptable. I think they get so driven by some findings in scripture that their momentum takes them beyond logic while failing to figure out details that demand deeper thought.
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Marvelloustime
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@Tothalordbeallglory
“And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.”
1 Kings 22:21-23 KJV.
I see you don’t find the scriptures reasonable.
There is great danger in that my friend.
You have refused to answer any question I have asked.
Those who refuse to stay in alignment with the doctrine of Christ do not have God.
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9
People who teach the resurrection is past are promoting a cancer.
And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:17-18
Those who,do not love the truth will indeed be swept up in the coming strong delusion that GOD is sending.
and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
Cute. You disregard that there are various competing interpretations. You disregard that Paul shared this over 1900 years ago as if nothing happened after he wrote the warnings. You fail to recognize these were warnings to people who would have known whether the resurrection had happened because they would not be on earth anymore to read Paul's cautions. Perhaps you can explain how they would doubt if they were resurrected or not. Maybe, from your view, it would have been good for Paul to say "don't worry. You and I are still here. I would not be writing to you if we had been raptured away already." You can share your insight into that issue.
After you clarified those points, then you will earn a place in the discussion.
