Whatever punishment you deny Jesus took for you—you have to take for yourself.

[Dizerner]

There's lot of rooms for false doctrines as a forgivable sin, very few people seem to put in the effort to seek God and be completely honest, to get their doctrine straight.

But some doctrines strike more at the heart of core beliefs and necessary truths that contain God's grace for us.


Say, just for example, I believe God doesn't punish sin at all.

Say that I believe, just for example, that the Blood of Jesus doesn't really do anything for sinners, Jesus was just a perfect man who was martyred for being righteous.

Say that I believed Jesus dying on the Cross was not to really atone for any sin at all, it was just to show how loving and forgiving Jesus was.


No sin.

No wrath.

No holiness.

No vicarious punishment for sins.


Now step back, and say I call this "atonement."

Jesus "atoned" for sins by just showing how loving he was to be killed by some sinners.


But your sins?

Jesus didn't need to get "beat up by his Dad" to pay for your sins, that's nasty and grotesque and makes God a big mean old monster.

God can forgive without beating up an innocent bystander!


So then, how are sins being "atoned" for at all?

 

[civic]

The question is who punished who . I have the biblical answer in my thread exposing the Fathers wrath on the Son fallacy which is the unbiblical model known as PSA taken from 1 verse in Isaiah 53 to develop and entire doctrine in isolation from the rest of scripture.

hope this helps !!!

 

[e v e]

the ones to be punished are of the satanic realm, not His souls.

His souls are returning to Him in paradise.

 

[civic]

The OP thread title does not have scripture to support that assertion . If it does please post scripture to support the threads title . Thanks

 

[Eleazar]

the ones to be punished are of the satanic realm, not His souls.

His souls are returning to Him in paradise.

I spent 15 years in the Satanic Realm thank God I made it out alive with only a half a dozen scars or so to show for it. Biggest mistake I ever made in my life. Paradise sounds good to me. Come soon Lord Jesus.

 

[e v e]

I spent 15 years in the Satanic Realm thank God I made it out alive with only a half a dozen scars or so to show for it. Biggest mistake I ever made in my life. Paradise sounds good to me. Come soon Lord Jesus.

That is so sweet you want Him to return soon...

 

[e v e]

Our Change as Paul describes
when in a twinkling we will go to Him
on the clouds
is any day now...