Diserner
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allah doesn't exist therefor there is no forgiveness of sins.
as you know he is a false god.
And we also do not want to make Yahweh in this false god's image.
The atonement on the Cross is Christianity's defining feature.
What is the Gospel
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And we also do not want to make Yahweh in this false god's image.
The atonement on the Cross is Christianity's defining feature.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Thus it is time to remind all of the absolute and dire need TO beleive on HIM .
Be not as the many who preach this interfaith . who have made the road chalked full of sin and unbelief .
Tothalordbeallglory
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Stay refreshed and stirred up in the Truth of the LORD and HIS gospel and all scriptural reminders .
There is a dire need to be reminded of the true faith that was once delivered to the saints .
I see selah was here . Hello my friend . Let us whose faith be in Christ
not be distracted but rather focused on HIM at all times . Stay in prayer , in the bible ,
be diligent in the walk .
There is a dire need to be reminded of the true faith that was once delivered to the saints .
I see selah was here . Hello my friend . Let us whose faith be in Christ
not be distracted but rather focused on HIM at all times . Stay in prayer , in the bible ,
be diligent in the walk .
Paul explains where the this One Gospel can be found, why this Gospel is so important, and why those to whom it was first preached, didn't benefit from it.
Rom. 1: 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. (Gentile)
17 For therein (Within the Gospel of Christ) is "the righteousness of God revealed" from faith to faith: as it is written, "The just" shall live by faith. (Faith defined as unconditional belief in God, shown by works)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven (Same as the Righteousness of God is revealed) against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God "is manifest in them"; for God hath shewed it unto them. (In the Gospel of Christ where it is written, "The Just shall Live by Faith", Hab. 2:4)
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, "neither were thankful"; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
This is Paul explaining what has happened throughout the history of the world. God offers repentance and forgiveness to men, through the unblemished sacrifice of the "Lamb of God". This is the Good News of the Gospel of Christ shown to Israel, most of whom did not believe it. This same Gospel was preached, as Prophesied, by the Messiah the Jesus "of the bible", to the multitudes and His Disciples while Paul was still persecuting the Church of God. For several years after the death and resurrection of Christ, the first Church of God under His New High Priest lived by and were thankful for the Gospel of Christ. Stephen was promoting the Gospel of Christ when Paul participated in his murder.
When Paul was brought into God's Church, by the Spirit of Christ, HE too came to the knowledge where the Gospel of Christ is found, and the importance of Glorifying the God promoted therein, "As God", just as Jesus spent His entire Life teaching as well.
Rom. 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that "ye present your bodies" a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
God's definition of Holy and Righteousness is revealed in the Gospel of Christ, the Law and Prophets which Prophesy of the "man, who has shown us the truth".
There are deceivers in this world, prophesied deceivers, who would promote a theology that the Gospel of the Christ didn't exist, or wasn't given to men, until Paul was knocked off his horse and converted. This is "another gospel" that Paul warned about. The Good news of the Gospel of the Christ "of the Bible" has been around for a long time. Zacharias, Simeon and Anna were partakers of the Gospel of Christ.
Heb. 3: 12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, "as in the provocation". (revealed in the Gospel of Christ)
16 For some, when they had heard, (The Good News) did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. (In the Gospel of Christ)
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed "with faith" (Unconditional belief in God, shown by works) "in them that heard it."
In other words, when they knew God, they didn't Glorify Him as God.
Paul said these stories were written for the members of the Body of Christ, that they may learn not to lust after disobedience, like the examples God had written for our admonition did.
Yes, Paul defines the Gospel of the Christ, "of the Bible", in his teaching to both Jews and Gentile.
Acts 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was "not disobedient" unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
The same message of God/Christ to Abraham, Israel and us. The Gospel of Christ.
Tothalordbeallglory
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anyone who beleives and teaches that somehow paul preached a different gospel than did peter
has not the knowledge of GOD . you are correct friend .
Paul did not START THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL , HE was simply brought INTO IT by JESUS THE CHRIST .
Paul was actually trying to destroy this gospel that peter and the church did preach at the first .
BUT was later BROUGHT TO THE REVELATION OF IT BY JESUS THE CHRIST on the road to damascus .
PAUL was ADDED IN , HE DID NOT BEGIN the gospel or another gospel
HE was added INTO the same faith GOD commands BOTH JEWS and GENTILES TO BELIEVE IN .
James and paul did not contradict each other , and those who think they did
or try and act like what james taught does not apply to gentile beleivers
ONCE AGAIN do not have the HOLY KNOWELDGE OF GOD , but rather still have the carnal knowledge of men
WHO they themselves Long ago brought into the churches .
IN fact i will be as bold to say
That even those who try and promote in any way A JESUS that is contrary TO THE GOD of the torah
DOES NOT KNOW GOD . JESUS did not come so that man could have PEACE IN HIS SIN
HE is not and never will be the ministir of any sin . WHAT IS SEEN as evil to GOD
BELIEVE YOU ME its seen as EVIL TO JESUS . as if GOD and JESUS somehow oppose one the other . THIS
generation is in deadly trouble now . too many follow another god and another jesus
And believe you me when i say , IT CANNOT SAVE THEM
it merely uses THE NAME of GOD of CHRIST to SEDUCE THEM .
Diserner
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How about those who rob the Cross if its real meaning?
Who say God is not so holy that he requires Jesus to pay the price of our sin?
Who say God forgives without the Cross of Christ?
This is a very serious error, and against the Gospel of Christ.
Nicely put,
Tothalordbeallglory
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Give an example please .
Because What i say to one i say to all . THERE IS NO FORGIVENSS OF SINS if one beleives NOT that JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
And any jesus who honors or accepts sins , IS NO JESUS CHRIST OF GOD and it cannot save
no matter how much one cries and rejoices in and thanks this jesus .
JESUS AINT the minstir of sin . I repeat HE IS NOT the minstir of sin .
HERE is why HE came into the world , it was to save sinners , to call them TO REPENTANCE
TO testify OF THE TRUTH .
If any man hears my voice and cometh unto me i will in no way cast him out .
The problem is , however , many came to the voice of THE STRANGER
who can indeed deck himself in wool and even use the name of JESUS but has given them
a jesus that feeds their own lustful hearts desires .
IF I HEAR ONE MORE person try and preach a rainbow jesus , I am going all out
to deliver them over unto destruction .
IF i hear another person preach an intefaith all incluisvie jesus , and wont repent , Prepare
to meet the ROD . i am wore out with this stuff that the church has been allowing for so long
AND THEN wonders WHY On earth the church has gotten SO ROTTED to the core .
ENOUGH with this judge not correct not .
But do give me some examples of what you mean so as i can respond .
Diserner
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Even demons believe Jesus is the Christ.
We must believe Christ suffered the punishment our sins deserved on the Cross.
That is God's atonement for our sin—he substitutes Christ in our place.
If we deny we need the Cross for forgiveness, we have created a different Jesus.
The name "Jesus" does not save—understanding what Jesus did for us saves.
Tothalordbeallglory
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like i said many beleive in another jesus .
IF WE BELIEVE IN JESUS , WE HAD BELEIVED HIS WORDS .
Diserner
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And you believe Jesus nailed your sins to his Cross and suffered your punishment?
Or do you reject that.
Tothalordbeallglory
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I beleive what is written in the bible my friend . SO , OH yes I BELIEVE that .
Do be encouraged and thanks for asking the question .
Remember there are some of us who have long loved to read the Holy and pure words of Truth
in the scriptures daily and for hours for over nineteen years .
The only reason i even brought that up was so i can help to explain
WHY on earth i am not seated in so called churches of christendom .
Now i aint saying all churches are false . BUT good night its a rare find
to even FIND true leaders who have not compromised parts of that holy and glorious Bible .
And have done major damage and destruction unto themselves and unto all
who heed them . That is not an accusation . IT is a fact . My soul weeps and weeps and weeps
for this people . The truth is that most dont even agree to with or even beleive the basics .
They twist his Words , omit his words as they hug on their second , third or even fourth wife
and listen to their FEMALE pastor and rainbows go high and the love of money is taught .
And that list can get a whole lot longer real fast . SO i have one simple solution for all
today that do read this , GET IN THE BIBLE for YOU and learn it for you and keep reading it for you .
Tothalordbeallglory
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Onward in the trenches one and all . The fight for the true faith is a dire must in these final , late and last hours
upon earth . Final , late and last hours . And that is not and ought not to be mocked .
Cause by the signs of the times , about the only thing i can say is
BEHOLD the COMING OF THE LORD draweth nigh . And while they are hollering their beloved peace
n safety under this all inclusive interfaith , peace covenant of ANTI CHRIST , cause woe that is who it is of ,
SUDDEN destruction cometh upon them all and my friend , they will not escape .
Now its time we get real grave again , serious again and do what must be done for the sakes of this people
and do all things UNTO THE GLORY OF GOD ALL MIGHTY and THE LAMB .
civic
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Who believes that caricature above
Tothalordbeallglory
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There are some who actually Do beleive that it is irresponsible to beleive that CHRIST died for our sins .
I seen that firsthand on another site . That is deadly to omit that part .
Who else can pay the price of sin . We sure could not , nor could we set ourselves free from it .
JESUS did this for us , so that all who do beleive in HIM would not perish but have everlasting life .
And BY his blood we are cleansed to the inner conscious . By the Spirit we can now serve GOD
as GOD desires . But beware of the flesh for it is contrary . Let us HEED the SPIRIT
and let us stay continually stirred up by the reminders in the scrips as well .
Civic , i am very worried and highly concerned for what i am seeing in churches
as well as on sites . For them . many are abandoning even the basics . They dont even know
the basics . For far too long another kind of love and another gospel has been preached to them .
Another way of evangelizing has been given to the churches and it was bad my friend .
People have no idea what they have lost , nor that they are lost .
THIS is the most educated generation i have seen , and YET their education and wisdom
has led them far from GOD and from CHRIST .
I mean we got all sorts of people who can define greek , hermes , egigis
and YET they DO NOT know HIM nor the simplicity of CHRIST at all .
I also heard that charlie kirk has been shot dead . That is sad my friend .
I wish , however people would focus on CHRIST and not on politics .
I think Charlie used to expose a lot of evil and did try and witness about the NEED for Christ .
But lets not get caught up on politics . Rather let us preach the simplicity of Christ .
Let us return to what the early church , Christ and true men focused on , THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM
on SALVATION in CHRIST and instruction in righteousness by sound doctrine .
Diserner
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Those who deny Jesus Christ judicially took our place on the Cross, and recreate the atonement to no longer be about God's Holy Law and Christ's substitution on our behalf.
They create an atonement where the Cross is not necessary to forgive, and becomes superfluous to the remission of our sins through the Blood of Jesus nailed on there.
civic
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false gospel adding to the gospel outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-15.
Galatians 1:6
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
So since there is only One Gospel- there is only one way to be saved.
Paul defines that Gospel by which we are saved below:
1 Corinthians 15:1-19
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Reread this again my friend .
And now allow a question .
HOW come so many even within christendom now buy into another so called gospel .
And why would any who sits under Christ in any way be a co helper to any who brings this lie .
So why would we support men who bring us into this interreligious dialgoue of interfaith .
CAUSE what you wrote above , DARN SURE aint what i seen them telling these false religoins .
They lie to them and they lie to us . Now who wants to be a co helper or supporter
OF THEM . Not this sheep . we better watch out
because this ecumincialsim interfaith unity stuff , ITS ALL over the place now . And many do its work .
civic
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The enemy is the great counterfeit. A counterfeit looks almost identical to the real thing. Its an imposter. It takes training and discernment to tell the difference between the true gospel and the false gospel. No one would be fooled if it didn't sound good or right. We see it more blatantly by some who would add to the gospel with such things as PSA, tulip, works just to name a few. Or leaving out repentance is another one. Some never count the cost as Jesus said. We see it in the parable of the sower and the other parables that follow. Easy believism.
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