What Baptism won't do:

With your belief, the problem remains (and you can't get around it), that salvation is not earned, you can't do any works to obtain it, except the "work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29) This is the ONLY "work" that God accepts to be saved, not baptism, not circumcision, not any physical work. God honors and even commands good works after we're saved but He never accepts any works in order to be saved.
You constantly refer to faith as mental assent, but that's not the Bible definition. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Mental assent implies simple agreement, nothing more. Faith involves trusting in God's faithfulness to forgive our sins and in His goodness to reward us as we seek Him. Without it, we cannot please God. With it, we will please Him so much that He counts our hearts as being righteous - saved, born again.
 
dwight92070 said:
With your belief, the problem remains (and you can't get around it), that salvation is not earned, you can't do any works to obtain it, except the "work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29)
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Salvation cannot be earned. That is correct.
But listen to the message in this video:
Each of us are piloting our own plane, and none of us can see where we are going, or what is around us until we run into it. Only the "man in the tower" (God) can see us, see what is around us, and navigate us to where we are meant to be. But we have to listen to His voice, and we have to obey His directions to get our plane on the ground (Heaven) safely. He said that repentance leads to receiving salvation, meaning we are headed for a wall, and if we don't turn around we are going to die. He said that confessing Him as Lord leads to receiving salvation, meaning we must admit that we cannot see where we are going and need Him to direct our maneuvers as we pilot our plane. And He said that baptism puts us into Him, into relationship with Him, meaning that we must submit to His seemingly ridiculous directions even though we cannot see how it affects our destination.
dwight92070 said:
This is the ONLY "work" that God accepts to be saved, not baptism, not circumcision, not any physical work. God honors and even commands good works after we're saved but He never accepts any works in order to be saved.
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That statement is in direct contradiction of Scripture (Rom 10:9-10). Confession of Jesus as Lord with the mouth LEADS TO salvation. It does not follow after, but results in our receiving salvation.
dwight92070 said:
You constantly refer to faith as mental assent, but that's not the Bible definition. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
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I contrast the common misconception that BELIEF is just intellectual (mental) assent. But faith is, as you say, much more than that. It is the substance and evidence, it requires action or it is dead. Faith, not belief, is the only "work", as you pointed out from John 6:29. But faith must include the actions that Jesus said lead to our receiving salvation, or we don't really have faith, we don't really believe, we haven't done the "work" that leads to receiving salvation.
dwight92070 said:
Mental assent implies simple agreement, nothing more. Faith involves trusting in God's faithfulness to forgive our sins and in His goodness to reward us as we seek Him. Without it, we cannot please God. With it, we will please Him so much that He counts our hearts as being righteous - saved, born again.
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Exactly. And that faith must include repentance (Acts 3:19), confession of Jesus as Lord (Rom 10:9-10), and baptism (Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, Matt 28:16, 1 Pet 3:21, Eph 5:25-27, Gal 3:27).
 
“Those who accepted his message were baptized…” —Acts 2:41

The way I read Acts 2:41 is first you accept the gift of salvation then you get baptized.

Baptism is often described as an outward sign of an inward change. It is a public testimony that you believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Your baptism powerfully proclaims what God has done, and is doing, in your life. In addition, as a follower of Jesus, you are publicly saying that you join with Christians from around the world who are unified by faith in Jesus’ death and resurrection.
 
Begotten said:
“Those who accepted his message were baptized…” —Acts 2:41

The way I read Acts 2:41 is first you accept the gift of salvation then you get baptized.

Baptism is often described as an outward sign of an inward change. It is a public testimony that you believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Your baptism powerfully proclaims what God has done, and is doing, in your life. In addition, as a follower of Jesus, you are publicly saying that you join with Christians from around the world who are unified by faith in Jesus’ death and resurrection.
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Please show me in Scripture where anything even resembling "an outward sign of an inward change" is found. I have never found even that concept in Scripture.

Rom 6:1-7 is very clear that we die to sin and are resurrected during baptism by the action of the Holy Spirit. 1 Pet 3:21 makes it clear that it is during water baptism (like the Flood) that we are saved by the working of the Holy Spirit through the power of Jesus' blood. Mark 16:16 makes it clear that those who believe AND are baptized will be saved. Gal 3:26-27 makes it clear that those who have been baptized into Christ are the ones who are children of God and are clothed in Christ. Eph 5:26-27 makes it clear that it is in baptism that the bride of Christ (the Church) is washed clean and made perfect.
 
Doug Brents said:
Please show me in Scripture where anything even resembling "an outward sign of an inward change" is found. I have never found even that concept in Scripture.

Rom 6:1-7 is very clear that we die to sin and are resurrected during baptism by the action of the Holy Spirit. 1 Pet 3:21 makes it clear that it is during water baptism (like the Flood) that we are saved by the working of the Holy Spirit through the power of Jesus' blood. Mark 16:16 makes it clear that those who believe AND are baptized will be saved. Gal 3:26-27 makes it clear that those who have been baptized into Christ are the ones who are children of God and are clothed in Christ. Eph 5:26-27 makes it clear that it is in baptism that the bride of Christ (the Church) is washed clean and made perfect.
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Doug Brents said:
Gal 3:26-27 makes it clear that those who have been baptized into Christ are the ones who are children of God and are clothed in Christ.
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Grace ambassador said:
Galatians 3:27
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Galatians 3:27
For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Romans 6:3
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

Since being "baptized into Christ" in Romans 6:3 refers to the baptism with the Holy Spirit (see post 4), the same is true here in Galatians 3:27.


Notice that the beginning of Galatians 3 the focus in on the Holy Spirit - not water baptism.

Galatians 3:1-5
(1) You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you...
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Fred said:
Since being "baptized into Christ" in Romans 6:3 refers to the baptism with the Holy Spirit
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As I pointed out in that thread, this is your assumption, not Biblical truth. There is ONLY ONE BAPTISM IN THE NT CHURCH (Eph 4:5), and that one baptism requires human action (Matt 28:19), and is in water (Acts 8:38, 1 Pet 3:21), and results in our salvation (Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, Acts 22:16, Gal 3:26-27, Eph 5:26-27).
 
Doug Brents said:
As I pointed out in that thread, this is your assumption, not Biblical truth.
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Without convincing proof. See below

Doug Brents said:
There is ONLY ONE BAPTISM IN THE NT CHURCH (Eph 4:5),
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It doesn't read "only" in Ephesians 4:5. In fact, there still remained a “baptism” (Mark 10:35-39) for the apostle John to undergo (i.e., his death) years after Ephesians was written.

Thanks for making it so easy to refute your false teaching.
 
Fred said:
It doesn't read "only" in Ephesians 4:5. In fact, there still remained a “baptism” (Mark 10:35-39) for the apostle John to undergo (i.e., his death) years after Ephesians was written.

Thanks for making it so easy to refute your false teaching.
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So you are saying that there is more than one Lord? Or more than one faith? Or more than one God?
No, there is one faith, and one Lord, and one God, and one baptism. And as I said, that one baptism requires human action (Matt 28:19), and is in water (Acts 8:38, 1 Pet 3:21), and results in our salvation (Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, Acts 22:16, Gal 3:26-27, Eph 5:26-27).
 
Fred said:
Great. The "one Lord" applies to more than only one Person.

Did John have a baptism to undergo even after Paul wrote the Book of Ephesians?
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That is unknown. Was the baptism which James and John were promised accomplished on Pentecost? Or was it martyrdom (can't be, because John was not martyred for the faith)? Or was it some other baptism that had already been accomplished before Ephesians was written?

But whatever that baptism was, it is not the ONE baptism of the NT Church which everyone must receive to be saved.
 
Doug Brents said:
That is unknown.
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No, it isn't.


Doug Brents said:
Was the baptism which James and John were promised accomplished on Pentecost?
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Nope.


Mark 10:38
But Jesus said to them, "You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink,
or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?" (NASB)

The BDAG (3rd Edition) affirms that the baptism in Mark 10:38 is "of martyrdom" (baptizō, page 165)

Doug Brents said:
But whatever that baptism was, it is not the ONE baptism of the NT Church which everyone must receive to be saved.
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Thus proving there is not "only" one baptism.
The "one Lord" applies to more than only one Person.
 
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it will not save you, It will not make you right with God It will not circumcise your flesh, it will not make you born again.

Well water baptism will not

Spirit baptism done by the hand of God does all of these things
 
Fred said:
Mark 10:38
But Jesus said to them, "You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink,
or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?" (NASB)

The BDAG (3rd Edition) affirms that the baptism in Mark 10:38 is "of martyrdom" (baptizō, page 165)
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John was NOT martyred. So the baptism Jesus speaks of CANNOT be martyrdom.
Fred said:
Thus proving there is not "only" one baptism.
The "one Lord" applies to more than only one Person.
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Now look who is redefining Scripture. Just amazing. I'm done with you fred.
 
Fred said:
You already agreed that the "one Lord" applies to both the Father and to the Son.

Are you a Modalist now?
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No one can know if they are three distinct beings or one being represented in three ways. But either way, they are only one God, one Lord, one Master, one Creator, one King (not two or three).
 

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