What Baptism won't do:

[Doug Brents]

Wow. You can't even affirm the Trinity. Got it.

Your heresy gets worse and worse.

You interpret plain English so terribly wrongly, no wonder you have problems with Scripture.

I did not deny the Trinity. I said we cannot tell if the three are separate beings, or one being with multiple manifestations. Yes, there are three distinct ways in which God shows Himself in Scripture. Yes, they are shown as separate, God in Heaven, Jesus as a Man, and the Spirit coming down on Him as a dove. But they are ONE, not three separate Gods.

 

[Fred]

You interpret plain English so terribly wrongly, no wonder you have problems with Scripture.

Get a mirror.

I did not deny the Trinity.

Then you do so below.

I said we cannot tell if the three are separate beings,

Tritheism.

or one being with multiple manifestations.

Modalism.


Either choice is heresy.

Total chaotic madness on your part.

 

[Doug Brents]

Total chaotic madness on your part.

You like to give names to everything except the truth. I accept that there are things I do not, and cannot, know. You act like you know everything.

 

[Fred]

You like to give names to everything

Doing so involves the truth.

I accept that there are things I do not, and cannot, know.

Irrelevant.
You either affirm Tritheism or Modalism.
Thus, you are to be rejected as a heretic.

You act like you know everything.

Your go to line because your heresy has been exposed.

 

[Doug Brents]

Doing so involves the truth.

Irrelevant.
You either affirm Tritheism or Modalism.
Thus, you are to be rejected as a heretic.

Your go to line because your heresy has been exposed.

Heretic - You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

It does not mean that something is wrong. It means that it does not agree with the current orthodox religious doctrine. But if the current orthodox religious doctrine is wrong (Pharisees), then it is right to disagree with it (Jesus).

Trithhesim is clearly wrong, for there is only one God regardless of how many manifestations of Him there are, so clearly I do not promote or agree with this doctrine (as is clear from my posts above).
But I cannot agree with modalism either, because they may not be different manifestations of a single being, but three separate beings so united (as in marriage) that they are one. We cannot know until we get to Heaven and see Him as He is.

 

[Fred]

Heretic - You keep using that word.

See Bible.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

Says the person who rejects Greek lexicons.
Classic.

Trithhesim is clearly wrong, for there is only one God regardless of how many manifestations of Him there are, so clearly I do not promote or agree with this doctrine (as is clear from my posts above).
But I cannot agree with modalism either, because they may not be different manifestations of a single being, but three separate beings so united (as in marriage) that they are one. We cannot know until we get to Heaven and see Him as He is.

Those are the only two choices based on what you wrote in post 42.

I can know. Pay attention. It's called the Trinity.