What are people baptized into?

[360watt]

So, we see in scripture being baptized 'into'

The question is what this is into?

Because 'body' in 'body of Christ' may not necessarily mean all redeemed.

There is a local body of believers..and then all believers as a body.

All believers as a body. .I believe is the New Jerusalem in the end. Not a body of Christ now.

I think this where distinctions can be made and made clear in separating baptism from salvation.

So for eg.. Corinth.. you have people baptised into the body AT Corinth.

Is this salvation, or actually water baptism as a pre requisite to join a local body. I.e the body AT Corinth.

Because 1 co 12 describes something unified, together and localized. That's not all redeemed.

 

[dwight92070]

The body of Christ is universal, comprised of believers from every corner of the earth. We, as believers, are all part of the universal body of Christ.

 

[360watt]

The body of Christ is universal, comprised of believers from every corner of the earth. We, as believers, are all part of the universal body of Christ.

Ok..yes this is popular to say..but 1 co 12 is of a unified, together body where one member grieves with another.

That is really all redeemed?

 

[atpollard]

So, we see in scripture being baptized 'into'

The question is what this is into?

Water. The word "baptized" is a transliteration (changing the letters of a foreign word to create a new English word) of "baptizo" ... a Greek word that means to plunge under, to dip into or to 'whelm'.

So when Peter said: "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38), every person in the crowd knew exactly what he meant and was immersed in water in a ritual bath for the cleansing from sin (something they knew from Judaism and from John the Baptist). The whole "and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" - which they had just witnessed in Acts 2 - was something completely new that God had just added (and Jesus had promised).

However, to answer your question, in Acts 2, they were (immersed, plunged, dipped, whelmed) into "water" ... because God said to do it!

 

[360watt]

Water. The word "baptized" is a transliteration (changing the letters of a foreign word to create a new English word) of "baptizo" ... a Greek word that means to plunge under, to dip into or to 'whelm'.

So when Peter said: "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38), every person in the crowd knew exactly what he meant and was immersed in water in a ritual bath for the cleansing from sin (something they knew from Judaism and from John the Baptist). The whole "and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" - which they had just witnessed in Acts 2 - was something completely new that God had just added (and Jesus had promised).

However, to answer your question, in Acts 2, they were (immersed, plunged, dipped, whelmed) into "water" ... because God said to do it!

Yes, I agree. So do you see baptism in 1 co 12 as baptism in water?

Because the body I see in 1 co 12 isn't all redeemed.

 

[atpollard]

Yes, I agree. So do you see baptism in 1 co 12 as baptism in water?

Because the body I see in 1 co 12 isn't all redeemed.

I assume you are focusing on this : 1 Corinthians 12:13 [ESV] For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

No. In that case, focusing on the word "baptizo" misses the context of the message which has NOTHING to do with salvation or Justification. The recurring theme of the chapters leading up to this and continuing on past it are ...

• The individual, the local body of believers, Christ the head and the growth of the Church (universal).
• The Holy Spirit, Love, Gifts and service.

Within this broader context ... "immersed" is a better translation of 'baptizo' since the verse becomes: "For in one Spirit we were all IMMERSED into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit." This makes more clear the symbolic imagery that Paul is using.

• Emphasis on UNITY rater than Individuality and Divisions.
• We are united by the work of ONE - the Holy Spirit - working in all.
• All have been immersed into one BODY ... another picture of unity and "one another" over the individual.
• Specific examples of diversity being joined into unity :
  • Jews or Greeks ... that would be all people groups are equal
  • slave or free ... that would be all social groups are equal
• All were made to drink of ONE SPIRIT - invokes "of God rather than of man" and unity in Christ (supper) rather than any talk of human immersions in water.

The context makes this unity with Christ, unity in the local assembly and unity with the Church Universal only clearer.

 

[360watt]

I assume you are focusing on this : 1 Corinthians 12:13 [ESV] For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

No. In that case, focusing on the word "baptizo" misses the context of the message which has NOTHING to do with salvation or Justification. The recurring theme of the chapters leading up to this and continuing on past it are ...

• The individual, the local body of believers, Christ the head and the growth of the Church (universal).
• The Holy Spirit, Love, Gifts and service.

Within this broader context ... "immersed" is a better translation of 'baptizo' since the verse becomes: "For in one Spirit we were all IMMERSED into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit." This makes more clear the symbolic imagery that Paul is using.

• Emphasis on UNITY rater than Individuality and Divisions.
• We are united by the work of ONE - the Holy Spirit - working in all.
• All have been immersed into one BODY ... another picture of unity and "one another" over the individual.
• Specific examples of diversity being joined into unity :
  • Jews or Greeks ... that would be all people groups are equal
  • slave or free ... that would be all social groups are equal
• All were made to drink of ONE SPIRIT - invokes "of God rather than of man" and unity in Christ (supper) rather than any talk of human immersions in water.

The context makes this unity with Christ, unity in the local assembly and unity with the Church Universal only clearer.

Okay, so 1 co 12:13-- I am not seeing this as salvation or justification.. but baptism after salvation as a pre-requisite for joining a local body of believers.

All baptised into one body.. meaning all baptised into a particular local body.. Paul in reference to the body he joined.. the Corinthians to the body at Corinth.. whether Greek or Slave..bond or free.