Were the Men of Sodom Homosexual?

[MTMattie]

you have no clue what the ECHAD of God is. so, no need to reply.

Best news ever....

I sense, while , the links I provided something touched

a nerve and someone is afraid of further confirmation.

Yippee.... My "work" on that will continue to grow the knowledge of those who need it as they read, and soon I will post yet more, but not to this one for I dont think he could take it.

101G.

 

[101G]

View attachment 2046 View attachment 2047 Best news ever....View attachment 2052

View attachment 2048I sense, while View attachment 2049, the links I provided something touched

a nerve View attachment 2050 and someone is afraid of further confirmation.

Yippee.... View attachment 2051 My "work" on that will continue to grow the knowledge of those who need it as they read, and soon I will post yet more, but not to this one for I dont think he could take it.

Ok, let see if you know the "Lord" who save Lot, Genesis 19:18 "And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord:" Genesis 19:19 "Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:" Genesis 19:20 "Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live."

Lot call the men "Lord". now whom is it that is Lord. Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

he who sits, is this the Lord Jesus, yes or No. now we will see the ECHAD of God. your answer please.

101G

 

[101G]

@MTMattie
the party is over.... (smile). it's the Lord Jesus who sits on the throne. as said, you have no clue of the ECHAD of God.

warn you, ..... don't answer. ......

101G.

 

[MTMattie]

@MTMattie
the party is over.... (smile). it's the Lord Jesus who sits on the throne. as said, you have no clue of the ECHAD of God.

warn you, ..... don't answer. ......

101G.

I would not have if you had not had ants in your pants waiting for my answer.

You wrote at 11:26 AM and again at 11:48 AM to answer your opwn question.

See, you did not need me.

Some people.... me... actually have a life rather then using this forum as social media.

I had a meeting with my financial advisor.

Who thinks like I do.

So no more answers.... you lost

 

[101G]

I would not have if you had not had ants in your pants waiting for my answer.

You wrote at 11:26 AM and again at 11:48 AM to answer your opwn question.

See, you did not need me.

Some people.... me... actually have a life rather then using this forum as social media.

I had a meeting with my financial advisor.

Who thinks like I do.

So no more answers.... you lost

LOL, so you didn't know that the Lord Jesus sits on the throne, nor that he as God stand before the very throne he sits on. so, no 101G do not need you, because you cannot comprehend the concept of the Godhead as to what 101G has just said.

he who sits is he who stand...... that's way above your head..... (smile). so as said before, no need to answer, because you have no clue or understanding. good day.

101G.

 

[MTMattie]

LOL, so you didn't know that the Lord Jesus sits on the throne, nor that he as God stand before the very throne he sits on. so, no 101G do not need you, because you cannot comprehend the concept of the Godhead as to what 101G has just said.

he who sits is he who stand...... that's way above your head..... (smile). so as said before, no need to answer, because you have no clue or understanding. good day.

101G.

Reporting myself and delete my account of suspend me for however long you feel necessay

WTF are you babbling about.

I am the one who continually posts

The Bible indicates that Jesus sits on the throne with God in several passages, notably Revelation 3:21, which states, "The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." Additionally, Revelation 22:1 mentions "the throne of God and of the Lamb," suggesting a shared throne.

You, on the other hand are so busy countering every thing that you do not read unless it is in a reply to you.

NOW... read and shut up because I am finished replying to you and I may well be off here in a bit depending on what they want to do with me.

Jesus Sitting At The Right Hand Of God​

Romans 8:34​

Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

Mark 16:19​

So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

Revelation 3:21​

The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

1 Peter 3:22​

Who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

Colossians 3:1​

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Acts 7:56​

And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

Hebrews 10:12​

But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,

Hebrews 8:1​

Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,

Hebrews 1:3​

He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

John 10:30​

I and the Father are one.”

Matthew 26:64​

Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Acts 7:55​

But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

​

Colossians 2:9​

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

Colossians 1:19​

For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,

Psalm 110:1​

A Psalm of David. The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”

​

Revelation 5:1-14​

Then I saw in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?” And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it, and I began to weep loudly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.” ...

Hebrews 12:2​

Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Ephesians 1:20​

That he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,

​

Mark 14:62​

And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

​

Psalm 110:1-7​

A Psalm of David. The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.” The Lord sends forth from Zion your mighty scepter. Rule in the midst of your enemies! Your people will offer themselves freely on the day of your power, in holy garments; from the womb of the morning, the dew of your youth will be yours. The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.” The Lord is at your right hand; he will shatter kings on the day of his wrath. ...

Psalm 47:8​

God reigns over the nations; God sits on his holy throne.

Psalm 47:2​

For the Lord, the Most High, is to be feared, a great king over all the earth.

​

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[101G]

The Bible indicates that Jesus sits on the throne with God in several passages, notably Revelation 3:21, which states, "The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." Additionally, Revelation 22:1 mentions "the throne of God and of the Lamb," suggesting a shared throne.

LOL, LOL, LOL, a there is only ONE who sits on the throne, listen, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."

now since there is one who sit, listen, Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."

you said both sits on the throne, which is INCORRECT, listen, Revelation 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." WITH indicate the same ONE PERSON, see, I told you that you have no KNOWLEDGE of the Godhead .... see that term "WITH" destroyed your nonsense. just as he, the Lord Jesus, is "EQUAL WITH" listen, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" so, you're reproved again. lol, lol, lol, Oh my.

now since you said both sits on the throne, well then who is the LAMB.... who was slain that stand before throne? evelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."

well MT, who is the Lamb? ..... (smile)... YIKES!

see MT, just as the two who showed up in town, the two men, or the angels, represent a type, or a figure, or the shadow of the ECHAD to come.... (smile), this is too easy.

NOW... read and shut up because I am finished replying to you and I may well be off here in a bit depending on what they want to do with me.

Jesus Sitting At The Right Hand Of God​

Oh yes, you're OFF... (smile), lol, lol, lol, my God MT... why don't you read first before you answer. sitting at the right hand is not a physical phenomena... lol, lol, Oh dear. sitting at the right hand mean one is in POWER.

you're RIGHT you do not need to reply to 101G ... Thanks..... Hooray. it's criminal that one has no clue what "SITTING ON THE RIGHT HAND". look up thing.... this is what the internet is for.

101G.

 

[civic]

Reporting myself and delete my account of suspend me for however long you feel necessay

WTF are you babbling about.

I am the one who continually posts

The Bible indicates that Jesus sits on the throne with God in several passages, notably Revelation 3:21, which states, "The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." Additionally, Revelation 22:1 mentions "the throne of God and of the Lamb," suggesting a shared throne.

You, on the other hand are so busy countering every thing that you do not read unless it is in a reply to you.

NOW... read and shut up because I am finished replying to you and I may well be off here in a bit depending on what they want to do with me.

Jesus Sitting At The Right Hand Of God​

Romans 8:34​

Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

Mark 16:19​

So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

Revelation 3:21​

The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

1 Peter 3:22​

Who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

Colossians 3:1​

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Acts 7:56​

And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

Hebrews 10:12​

But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,

Hebrews 8:1​

Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,

Hebrews 1:3​

He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

John 10:30​

I and the Father are one.”

Matthew 26:64​

Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Acts 7:55​

But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

​

Colossians 2:9​

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

Colossians 1:19​

For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,

Psalm 110:1​

A Psalm of David. The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”

​

Revelation 5:1-14​

Then I saw in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?” And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it, and I began to weep loudly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.” ...

Hebrews 12:2​

Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Ephesians 1:20​

That he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,

​

Mark 14:62​

And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

​

Psalm 110:1-7​

A Psalm of David. The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.” The Lord sends forth from Zion your mighty scepter. Rule in the midst of your enemies! Your people will offer themselves freely on the day of your power, in holy garments; from the womb of the morning, the dew of your youth will be yours. The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.” The Lord is at your right hand; he will shatter kings on the day of his wrath. ...

Psalm 47:8​

God reigns over the nations; God sits on his holy throne.

Psalm 47:2​

For the Lord, the Most High, is to be feared, a great king over all the earth.

​

​

Don’t take the bait going down the oneness rabbit trails, it’s the modalism heresy

 

[101G]

Don’t take the bait going down the oneness rabbit trails, it’s the modalism heresy

NO ONE IS GETTING UPSET HERE, 101G hope not. no one needs to delete any account ... ect, we all are grown here. and above all 101G never take anything personal. so, no harm here.

only one thing, 101G apologize for MTMattie MIS-USE OF A FEW COLORFUL ..... "letters", .... but no harm done. as said 101G never gets upset at or by anyone. as far as 101G position .... matter closed.

lastly, @civic ... that's "Diversified Oneness" (smile), with the capital "D" in Diversified Oneness. only the trinity doctrine is modalism in reverse..... YIKES! ...... (smile), be blessed... both of you.

101G.

 

[101G]

Now back to the subject at hand, this one scripture, with the context of Judges chapter 19 reveals the actions of the men of Sodom. Genesis 19:9 "And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door."

now to all homosexual experts out there, who believe that the men of Sodom want to have a sexual relation with the two men under Lots roof, question, "How do one in a homosexual act do one worse?". based on the definition of "deal worse "
H7489 רָעַע ra`a` (raw-ah') v.
1. (properly) to spoil.
2. (literally) to ruin by breaking to pieces.
3. (causative) to make good for nothing.
4. (figuratively) to be good for nothing.
5. (physically, socially or morally) to be bad.
[a primitive root]
KJV: afflict, associate selves (by mistake for H7462), break (down, in pieces), + displease, (be, bring, do) evil (doer, entreat, man), show self friendly (by mistake for H7462), do harm, (do) hurt, (behave self, deal) ill, X indeed, do mischief, punish, still, vex, (do) wicked (doer, -ly), be (deal, do) worse.
See also: H7462

in the definition 101G just don't get any, sexual activity at all, especially any homosexual act...... at all.

101G.

 

[101G]

The only sexual activity that went on in a similar incident as here in Lot case is found in Judges chapter 19. and this acitivty took place in ISRAEL, and not in Sodom. Let's see. Judges 19:11 "And when they were by Jebus, the day was far spent; and the servant said unto his master, Come, I pray thee, and let us turn in into this city of the Jebusites, and lodge in it." Judges 19:12 "And his master said unto him, We will not turn aside hither into the city of a stranger, that is not of the children of Israel; we will pass over to Gibeah." ....... Judges 19:16 "And, behold, there came an old man from his work out of the field at even, which was also of mount Ephraim; and he sojourned in Gibeah: but the men of the place were Benjamites." ............ Judges 19:20 "And the old man said, Peace be with thee; howsoever let all thy wants lie upon me; only lodge not in the street." Judges 19:21 "So he brought him into his house, and gave provender unto the asses: and they washed their feet, and did eat and drink." just as it was with Lot. ....... LISTEN REAL GOOD .... Judges 19:22 "Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him." STOP KNOW him? this is the exact same word used in Lot case,
KNOW: H3045 יָדַע yada` (yaw-dah') v.
1. (properly) to ascertain by seeing.
2. (generally) to know.
3. (used widely) to observe, care, recognize, etc.
4. (causatively, used widely) to instruct, designate, punish, etc.

was these men homosexual?

Judges 19:23 "And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly." Judges 19:24 "Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing." Judges 19:25 "But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." Judges 19:26 "Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light." Judges 19:27 "And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold." Judges 19:28 "And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ***, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place."

well now, we get the revelation, Judges 19:25 "But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." ... and the woman died from the abuse.

if KNOW, as was in Lot case, was sexual in nature, then these men would be BI-Sexual then. for they KNEW the concubine ... and abused her all the night until the morning. but one problem. the term KNEW here is the same word as KNOW,

KNEW: H3045 יָדַע yada` (yaw-dah') v.
1. (properly) to ascertain by seeing.
2. (generally) to know.
3. (used widely) to observe, care, recognize, etc.
4. (causatively, used widely) to instruct, designate, punish, etc.

so, again 101G ask, was the men of Sodom Homosexual, or was they BI-Sexual. and was Homosexuality was the reason God destroyed Sodom? again, 101G say no. but God destroyed Sodom for just what he said in Ezekiel 16:48 "As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters." (WHAT?), Ezekiel 16:49 "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:50 "And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

so, God did not destroy Sodom for Homosexuality, no, but for what he said, Ezekiel 16:49 & 50.

101G.

 

[civic]

A text without the context is a pretext for a proof text.

Complete and utter proof texting.

 

[civic]

Nothing but theological nonsense

if the literal sense makes sense, seek no other sense, lest it become nonsense.

 

[101G]

A text without the context is a pretext for a proof text.

Complete and utter proof texting.

Nothing but theological nonsense

if the literal sense makes sense, seek no other sense, lest it become nonsense.

lol, so you cannot prove that the men of Sodom were homosexual. anytime someone ... "ASSUME" . that is the pretext to fales doctrine.

101G.

 

[civic]

lol, so you cannot prove that men were homosexual. anytime someone ... "ASSUME" . that is the pretext to fales doctrine.

101G.

Jude tells us they were so does Paul in Romans 1 and Moses in the law and in the passage from Genesis

Next fallacy

 

[101G]

Jude tells us they were so does Paul in Romans 1 and Moses in the law and in the passage from Genesis

Next fallacy

grasping for straws? was that not address? see post https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/were-the-men-of-sodom-homosexual.2578/post-173778.
(smile).... YIKES! try again,

101G.

 

[civic]

It’s already been refuted by several believers in this thread exposing your fallacious arguments

 

[101G]

Paul in Romans 1 and Moses in the law

please show in scriptures where in the Law of Moses or in Romans that Homosexuality is addressed to the men of Sodom..... "ONLY?".

It’s already been refuted by several believers in this thread exposing your fallacious arguments

well scripture that points to the men of Sodom that they "ONLY" were homosexuals.

(smile), game over for you.

101G.

 

[civic]

I’ve already quoted them and you denied them

 

[101G]

I’ve already quoted them and you denied them

no, you have not. now post the scriptures that say the Men of Sodom were homosexuals. scriptures that DIRECTLY that charge against the men o Sodom

if you said you posted them, then the POST number please? and don, post Roman 1. or Jude 1 for those have been clearly reproved. now, your post # please. ..... (smile)

101G.