Under Grace : How ??

[Behold]

Reader,

This short Thread will help you to spot people who do not understand Salvation, and whose Theology opposes God's Grace.
And, it'll help you if you worry about "sin".


A.) Jesus said from The Cross... "IT <...... is finished"

So, what is "it"?
?
?

Let me show you from the word.

1.) Jesus said...""""" I come to do thy will, O God. = He taketh away the first, that He may establish the second."""" (Hebrews Chapter 10)

So, this is explaining that through Jesus's sacrifice, (The Cross) .... God has removed the Old Covenant, that is Law and Commandments, and replaced it with the New Covenant, which is... The Grace of God. The Mercy of God. The "Blood atonement".
Notice. .. "The Law came by Moses (there is your 1st Covenant) but ""Grace and TRUTH, came by Jesus"" = there is your NEW Covenant, which is the NEW Testament.

Now to get INTO the New Covenant, .. Jesus said.. ."you must be BORN....again".
So, until a person come to Faith in Christ and is born again, .. then they remain under the 1st (Old) Covenant, = Under the Law, and "by the Law is the knowledge of Sin".

The Good News, is...."Christ has Redeemed us from the Curse of the LAW"..... "Christ is the END of the Law for Righteousness, to/for everyone who BELIEVES"...
And the """curse""" is to be under the Law, which allows the Law to judge you as a SINNER.
So, the Grace of God, is the NEW Covenant, that takes the LAW's dominion off of you forever, and puts you here...= "Not under the Law, but under Grace".

See that Grace of God?
That is the NEW Covenant, and that is where God spiritually rejoins Mankind for eternity... , only based on the Cross of Christ.

Now one more....
Jesus said "IT"......"is finished"?
What is finished?

A.) Our Salvation......, as Jesus just finished it, and told you...."IT", our Salvation, is FINISHED.

How did He do that?

A.) """"For God hath made JESUS to be sin for us""".... and what does that do for you?
A.) "Jesus is the one time.....ETERNAL.....Sacrifice for SIN"....

This :

"""""This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more."""""

Notice carefully Reader....., their """SINS and Iniquities"""" = """God will remember = no more.""""

So how did that happen, ?? What caused God to never again see your sin, or you as a sinner... ???? (If you are born again, and not just water baptized and religious). ??

A.) """" But this Man, Jesus The Christ"....after HE had offered ONE sacrifice for sins FOREVER on the Cross.....sat down on the right hand of God""

Reader, did you notice that the sacrifice for your SINS, is "FOREVER"..
That means yesterday, today, and forever.

This means that you are forgiven, FOREVER.. As Salvation is not a part time Redemption, ...it is ETERNAL ... = "forever".

And.....The Reason that Jesus sat down after He returned to Heaven, is because "IT"... Your Salvation..."Is FINISHED", and if you are born again, you now belong to God for as long as God lives.

Now.
Do you see the completeness of the Cross of Christ, as your Salvation?
So, the answer is...."JESUS is your Salvation"... just like He is your Eternal LIFE.
And JESUS is inside you, as "Christ IN YOU, the hope of Glory"...if you are born again, and you now exist as "IN Christ", = "ONE with God".

For how long?
For as long as God and Christ LIVE.

NOW, edited, do not understand this at all.
They do not understand "FOREVER".
They do not understand "COMPLETED".
They do not understand "God Grace"
They do not understand the "IT is finished".
They do not understand the "Blood Atonement".

So, what will teach you, is that Jesus STARTED your Salvation, and now its on your back to complete it, by SELF EFFORT, .....which is manufactured Self Righteousness.
And THAT Theology, that tells you that you are still a sinner, and you have sin,= denies the Cross of Christ and Rejects the Grace of God, and is designed to deceive you and keep you away from the Truth.

 

[Rockson]

Reader,

This short Thread will help you to spot people who do not understand Salvation,

That's your claim. The question is are you right? Everyone will have to assess.

And, it'll help you if you worry about "sin".

Well you haven't defined what you mean by that. One better make sure they're not being presumptuous in thinking they have a relationship with God when in fact they don't. Matt 7:23

A.) Jesus said from The Cross... "IT <...... is finished"

So, what is "it"?

People have different ways of saying it. One way is to say that there was the plan that Jesus would die as the sacrifice for sin. The OT had types of lambs being slain but they all pointed to the Christ to come......when Jesus died on the cross the plan was completed.

"""""This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more."""

When one is born again their sins are remitted and blotted out. So very true above. Doesn't mean their future sins don't need to be dealt with though 1 Jn 1:9 says speaking to believers that if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. You can't just say sins will be remembered no more in a universal sense with no way of understanding the phrase outside of what you say.

NOW, HERETICS, do not understand this at all.

I'd dial back and not be quick on claiming everyone who disagrees with you are heretics. Perhaps you need to consider what they say as well?

 

[Behold]

The question is are you right?

Yes.

Well you haven't defined what you mean by that.

I can teach you, but i can't learn it for you, @Rockson .

Keep that in mind.

People have different ways of saying it.

Its not about "saying".
Its about understanding.
And like i told you.
People who do not UNDERSTAND Salvation, will talk about works, water, commandments, self effort, enduring, and any other SELF EFFORT to save yourself, that you can put on your list.
And all of that, is against the Grace of God.
Why?
Because when you try to save yourself, you are rejecting the Savior.

When one is born again their sins are remitted and blotted out. So very true above. Doesn't mean their future sins don't need to be dealt with though

1 John 1:9 is not for the born again.
Its for the unbeliever who still have their sin.
Now, go to 1 John 3:9, as That VERSE if for the Born again.
Read it carefully.

Did you not read my = Thread?
I just explained in the Thread that ALL the sin of the born again, is dealt with FOREVER = by the "one time eternal sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross".

And like i stated in the Tread.
"HERETICS" do not understand any of this, and want to post instead about their SIN.

Thats on you. @Rockson

 

[civic]

1 John 1:9 is not for the born again.
Its for the unbeliever who still have their sin.
Now, go to 1 John 3:9, as That VERSE if for the Born again.
Read it carefully.

What makes you say its for an unbeliever ?

Did John write his epistle to unbelievers or to believers ?

 

[Behold]

What makes you say its for an unbeliever ?

Did John write his epistle to unbelievers or to believers ?

Because Salvation is based on Jesus on the Cross, paying for all your sin, forever.
If it didn't , then you'd still have them, and be on your way to hell.

Notice....

"God hath made JESUS... to be SIN for us".

Which?

ALL OF THEM..

"Jesus is the ONE TIME.... ETERNAL... Sacrifice for sin".

So, now.....notice this again.. that i wrote in the THREAD.

A.) """" But this Man, Jesus The Christ"....after HE had offered ONE sacrifice for sins FOREVER on the Cross.....sat down on the right hand of God""

So, once the believer understands FOREVER, then when you read a verse in the bible that indicates that sin is present, then you know that this verse is not talking to someone who is "made righteous", having become = the "righteousness of GOD, in Christ".

Those verses are speaking to The unbelievers, who have their, sin, who are 1 John 1:9.

Whereas....

The born again , are this..... 1 John 3:9

Amazing that in these end times, so called "Christians" who claim they are saved for decades, still have no idea that Jesus came to deal with all SIN., and did, which explains these verses.

John 3:17
2 Corinthinans 5:19


= all sin is dealt with....Not just some of it.
Salvation is not part time.
Eternal Life is not Temporary,.

But "FOREVER" is the answer = "ONE TIME>.. Eternal Sacrifice for SIN" = Christ on The Cross.

"SIN" is plural... = all of it, is taken care of by the BLOOD of JESUS.

So, Believers are not to run around worrying about sin, that Christ became and died to remove... and did.
Believers are to understand who they have become "IN CHRIST"....and why and teach that, and not create Churches and FORUMS and Threads and Posts... to try to deny the Cross, and reject the Grace of God.
And then when they read this verse, they will understand "Forever" and "made righteous"... as ONE TRUTH.

= "As Christ is, so are the born again , in THIS WORLD"..


So, does Christ have sin?

DOES CHRIST HAVE SIN ???

And the born again are "IN Christ"..,. "made righteous".., "ONE with God".

 

[Rockson]

Yes.

Well here we'll let readers decide.

I can teach you, but i can't learn it for you, @Rockson .

Keep that in mind.

Sure Behold. Goes the other way too, right?

People who do not UNDERSTAND Salvation, will talk about works, water, commandments, self effort, enduring, and any other SELF EFFORT to save yourself, that you can put on your list.
And all of that, is against the Grace of God.

On the surface there's nothing what you say above I disagree with. Problem is so many when you take the wraps off of what they're really saying some label works as anything one does or has to do with cooperating with God.

1 John 1:9 is not for the born again.

I'd say it most certainly is. 1 John 1:7 states if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. So it's speaking of one's who are walking in the light but it doesn't say people won't fall or slip into sin. What it's saying is if you're walking in the light there will be no problem for you'll confess your sins and he'll cleanse you from all unrighteousness IF, IF you commit them. Cleansing one from all sin is a continual action the saint can experience all their lives. Paul even stated he didn't consider himself having arrived and that he was not perfect. Phill 4:13

Now, go to 1 John 3:9, as That VERSE if for the Born again.
Read it carefully.

So how about you put it down so we can read it. But here it is.

Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 1 Jn 3:9

It didn't say that the born again can't sin. It speaks of walking in sin as a continual pattern of life. Saints can sin and do.....but the inward witness within them reminds them this if not what they truly are. Or to put it another way it's like going to the showier with your socks on. You can do it but....it just doesn't feel right. Now go back to 1 Jn 1:9 which says If we confess our sins he's faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. It most certain does belong to believers.

I just explained in the Thread that ALL the sin of the born again, is dealt with FOREVER = by the "one time eternal sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross".

Jesus and what he did on the cross will ALWAYS be our basis to receive forgiveness and cleansing. If a Christian sins however they need to repent and ask forgiveness.

And like i stated in the Tread.
"HERETICS" do not understand any of this, and want to post instead about their SIN.

You might be being extreme in your statement. There's a truth that ones focus on claiming they're a sinner but they don't focus on they're really a new creature created in Christ Jesus with the life of God within but sin at times needs to be dealt with. All believers can still sin and let's be honest.....they probably will. By doing so in a right way (talking about sin) we bring people out of feeling condemnation for a sin and to see them established with a righteousness consciousness. because of the precious blood of Christ. Still needs to be done though.

Thats on you. @Rockson

It's on all of us to get things right.

 

[Behold]

It's on all of us to get things right.

And the reason that most dont, is because they do not understand "Salvation".
They never did what Hebrews 13:9 says you have to do with your heart, or a CULT will get you., as the verse describes.
And this is because, heretics create confusion and teach "doctrines of devils", and this theological vomit, ... if its Calvinism, or whatever "ism", always mixes enough truth in it, so that the DECEPTION that is the CORE of it, can ruin your faith.

So, my Thread is going to help those who can be helped, and if the person is a Titus 3:10, then nothing is going to help.
Not my Threads.
Not the Bible.
Not the Holy Spirit.
And that is talking to a Believer, who is so subverted...so TWISTED within their Theological Mentality, that when they hear the Grace of God being taught or preached..... they believe this is, "wrong" and its upsets them.
So, once you get to that corrupted place in your belief system... , then you'll never get out,.... because the demonic stronghold.. the root of deception is so deep in the mind, that TRUTH can't penetrate, ever again.

Thats a fact.

And Paul says...>"Get them out of your Church", because they will ruin it.

And he's talking about born again Believers, who are beyond recovery, theologically speaking.
"subverted within themselves"
Past the point of no return.

Want to spot one, reader?

Then just state that Salvation, once received is ETERNAL, and a heretic will come running with 1 John 1:9 and Hebrews 10:26.

Thats one.
You spotted them, and if that's you, then you have a big big issue regarding not understanding God's Grace, at all..
= Really..

And these people, live on FORUMS.
They Create them, just to ruin the faith of a real believer, and the entire time they are doing this for years, they believe their are "led of the Spirit".

So, that is how DARK is their inner darkness.
Some of them.... are actually ANTI-CROSS Born again Christians, and are defined by Jesus as :

Luke 11:35.

What ive discovered over YEARS...... is that most Forums have some of these faith ruined people as their MODS if not all..
And that is why Christian Forums are Theological poison.

A new believer, can come to this forum, or any of them online......ALL of them, and the heretics will descend on them, with... just the worst type of Grace Denying Teaching.
Its really just a terrible situation, when a new Believer, has not ONE FORUM online (worldwide). = "christian" forum, where they can go and not be harmed, theologically.

Why?
Because the DEVIL is the god of this world and he has his game together, using FORUMS and FAKE Bibles, and Fake Denominations.


Ok then.
My Thread is available.

 

[Soyeong]

Reader,

This short Thread will help you to spot people who do not understand Salvation, and whose Theology opposes God's Grace.
And, it'll help you if you worry about "sin".

Indeed, this thread shows that you do not understand salvation and have theology that opposes God's grace because you essentially want the box that the gift salvation came in without wanting the content of the gift. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously training us to do these works is itself to do these works is itself the content of His gift of salvation, but you consider participating in this training to be self-effort and to be rejecting the grace of God. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

A.) Jesus said from The Cross... "IT <...... is finished"

So, what is "it"?
?
?

Let me show you from the word.

In Titus 2:14,m it describes the "it" by saying that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in the "it" that Jesus finished (Acts 21:20), while returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from is to reject the content of the "it".

1.) Jesus said...""""" I come to do thy will, O God. = He taketh away the first, that He may establish the second."""" (Hebrews Chapter 10)

So, this is explaining that through Jesus's sacrifice, (The Cross) .... God has removed the Old Covenant, that is Law and Commandments, and replaced it with the New Covenant, which is... The Grace of God. The Mercy of God. The "Blood atonement".
Notice. .. "The Law came by Moses (there is your 1st Covenant) but ""Grace and TRUTH, came by Jesus"" = there is your NEW Covenant, which is the NEW Testament.

In Jeremiah 31:33 and Hebrews 8:10, the New Covenant involves God putting His law in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so it is still a covenant of law, grace, and mercy, like the Mosaic Covenant. In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so grace and truth came through Jesus because he seen this ministry leading us to obey God's law by word and by example. There is no "but" in John 1:17, rather John 1:16 says grace upon grace, so John 1:17 is listing one example of grace being added upon another.

Now to get INTO the New Covenant, .. Jesus said.. ."you must be BORN....again".
So, until a person come to Faith in Christ and is born again, .. then they remain under the 1st (Old) Covenant, = Under the Law, and "by the Law is the knowledge of Sin".

In 1 John 3:4-10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not born again, and in Romans 8:4-14, those who are born again of the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh, who are enemies of God, who refuse to submit to God's law.

The Good News, is...."Christ has Redeemed us from the Curse of the LAW"..... "Christ is the END of the Law for Righteousness, to/for everyone who BELIEVES"...
And the """curse""" is to be under the Law, which allows the Law to judge you as a SINNER.
So, the Grace of God, is the NEW Covenant, that takes the LAW's dominion off of you forever, and puts you here...= "Not under the Law, but under Grace".

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Good News to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Good News, which you reject.

In Deuteronomy 28, it describes the blessing of living under God's law and the curse of lawlessness, so being redeemed from the curse of lawlessness is being set free to enjoy the blessing of living in obedience to God's law. Again, Titus 2:14 does not say that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from God's law, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness. The grace of God does not remove the dominion of the Law of God, but rather it removes the dominion of the law of sin while God is gracious to us by teaching us to obey His law. We need to be set free from the law of sin in order to be free to obey the Law of God, not the other way around.

So, what will teach you, is that Jesus STARTED your Salvation, and now its on your back to complete it, by SELF EFFORT, .....which is manufactured Self Righteousness.
And THAT Theology, that tells you that you are still a sinner, and you have sin,= denies the Cross of Christ and Rejects the Grace of God, and is designed to deceive you and keep you away from the Truth.

Self-effort does not involve relying on anyone else, so it is contradictory to think that it is self-effort to rely on God's instructions. Our righteous actions in obedience to God's law have nothing to do with manufacturing self-righteousness, but rather it is the way to testify about God's righteousness, just as our good works in obedience to God's law bring glory to Him by testifying about His goodness (Mathew 5:16). Rather, it is returning to the lawlessness that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from that denies the cross and rejects the grace of God. In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so your post is designed to keep people away from the Truth.

 

[Studyman]

Reader,

This short Thread will help you to spot people who do not understand Salvation, and whose Theology opposes God's Grace.
And, it'll help you if you worry about "sin".

You mean, this sermon will help people understand your religion, and your perception of God's Grace, and spot people who may not have adopted your particular religious philosophy, or who don't promote your religious sect. I don't know of anyone who opposes God's Grace, but I do know many who abuse it.

A.) Jesus said from The Cross... "IT <...... is finished"

So, what is "it"?
?
?
Let me show you from the word.

1.) Jesus said...""""" I come to do thy will, O God. = He taketh away the first, that He may establish the second."""" (Hebrews Chapter 10)

Hebrews 10: 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

The Jesus "of the Bible" became God's Prophesied High Priest, Yes? There was a Priesthood in effect, but it was Temporary. Hebrews called it the "Levitical Priesthood" "After the Order of Aaron". God took away the first Priesthood, "After the Order of Aaron" that HE might establish the Second Priesthood "After the Order of Melchizedek". This part of the Prophesy regarding Him was finished when men, who professed to know God, murdered Him, as they did other Prophets God sent to them.

But there are still very important Prophesies regarding our Redeemer, that must be fulfilled, therefore "ALL" has not yet been fulfilled.

If you were to read Heb. 7-10 you would find it discussing the Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi on Israel's behalf. You can read it for yourself.

The deceiver would have us believe the Old Covenant that disappeared was God's Laws and Commandments. But that isn't what the Scriptures teach at all. What changed is clearly seen in Jer. 31.

#1. The manner in which God's Laws are administered. (He writes them on the hearts of His People, as opposed to us relying on corruptible man to teach us)

#2. The manner in which sins are forgiven (No more taking a goat to the Levite Priest)

Since Jesus was from the Tribe of Judah, and Not Levi, the Priesthood Laws, by necessity, changed. You can also read this from you own Bible.

So, this is explaining that through Jesus's sacrifice, (The Cross) .... God has removed the Old Covenant, that is Law and Commandments, and replaced it with the New Covenant, which is... The Grace of God. The Mercy of God. The "Blood atonement".
Notice. .. "The Law came by Moses (there is your 1st Covenant) but ""Grace and TRUTH, came by Jesus"" = there is your NEW Covenant, which is the NEW Testament.

John 1: 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Grace and Truth is not the New Covenant, the Holy One of Israel, the Rock of our Salvation always promoted Grace and Truth.

Mal. 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

Gen. 6: 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

In the religion you have adopted and are now promoting, is this not the Same "Lord" who became a man in the person of Jesus?

Grace and Truth was always administered by God's True Priests, and the Rock that fed and watered Israel provided this Grace and Truth. It's just that Israel didn't believe. At least according to Scriptures.

Heb. 4: 1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, "as well as unto them": but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Duet. 32, speaks to this as well. 3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. 4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he."

This is the Same Rock Paul spoke of in 1 Cor. 10, Yes? Or do you promote another?


The deceiver would have us believe that there was no Grace and Truth in the Law and Prophets. Some use translations where a "but" was placed to make it appear that God's Law, and Grace and Truth oppose one another. But even a child can read God's instruction in Righteousness and understand "the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith" existed since before Noah. "If you do well, shall you not be accepted"?

Now to get INTO the New Covenant, .. Jesus said.. ."you must be BORN....again".
So, until a person come to Faith in Christ and is born again, .. then they remain under the 1st (Old) Covenant, = Under the Law, and "by the Law is the knowledge of Sin".

This is your religion, and you are free to promote it. But the Rock, the Holy One of Israel, teaches something altogether different.

Ez. 18: 30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a "new heart and a new spirit": for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

How is this not the same doctrine from this same Christ, who became a man and dwelled among us?

Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

And again from God's Chosen Apostle.

Eph. 4: 20 But ye have not so learned Christ; 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 "And be renewed in the spirit of your mind"; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

How can you preach that this message to become a "new man" was not the same Gospel this same Christ taught when HE was Up where he was before?

The deceiver would have us ignore the Rock of Israel, the Redeemer, and replace Him with an image of God created in the likeness of a handsome long-haired man, who wasn't showing Israel in the way that they should go.

Jesus warns about these "many" who come in His Name, that we are to take Heed of them. I am hoping you might consider the Scriptures I posted.

The Good News, is...."Christ has Redeemed us from the Curse of the LAW"..... "Christ is the END of the Law for Righteousness, to/for everyone who BELIEVES"...
And the """curse""" is to be under the Law, which allows the Law to judge you as a SINNER.
So, the Grace of God, is the NEW Covenant, that takes the LAW's dominion off of you forever, and puts you here...= "Not under the Law, but under Grace".

Again, if a man considers what is actually written, this popular religious philosophy of this world, is exposed as from man, and not the Inspired Word of God.

Consider Paul's own words.

Rom. 6: 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (That means NO!)

Why not? You preach the Law is gone now and no longer has dominion over us. But what does Paul say?

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin (Transgression of God's Law) unto death, or of obedience (to God's Law) unto righteousness?

This is years after Jesus ascended, and Paul is still teaching the Body of Christ, that "yielding oneself" to disobedience to God still brings death. While "Yielding oneself" a servant to obey God's Law, brings righteousness.

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of (God's) righteousness.


The deceiver would have us believe Jesus came to free us from God's Righteousness. Don't be snared by this world's powerful religious traditions. Jesus said "Now go and Sin no more"! He didn't say, "No go and obey God no more".

This is why Jesus warned specifically about "Christianity" and Paul warned specifically about men, who transform themselves into Apostles of Christ. To reject or ignore, or exclude ourselves from these warning of the Jesus "of the Bible", will create religions filled with many that Jesus describes for us.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This is why, in my view, this same Christ inspired it to be written "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

 

[e v e]

a soul needs to die to the Self

 

[e v e]

of what use is all this long winded whatever

none.


only we ve be like a little child.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Reader,
This short Thread will help you to spot people who do not understand Salvation, and whose Theology opposes God's Grace.
And, it'll help you if you worry about "sin".
A.) Jesus said from The Cross... "IT <...... is finished"
So, what is "it"?
?
?
Let me show you from the word.

1.) Jesus said...""""" I come to do thy will, O God. = He taketh away the first, that He may establish the second."""" (Hebrews Chapter 10)

So, this is explaining that through Jesus's sacrifice, (The Cross) .... God has removed the Old Covenant, that is Law and Commandments, and replaced it with the New Covenant, which is... The Grace of God. The Mercy of God. The "Blood atonement".
Notice. .. "The Law came by Moses (there is your 1st Covenant) but ""Grace and TRUTH, came by Jesus"" = there is your NEW Covenant, which is the NEW Testament.

Now to get INTO the New Covenant, .. Jesus said.. ."you must be BORN....again".

No, Jesus did not say that.
He said, except a man be born-again He cannot see the kingdom of God.
The kingdom of God is Himself: Christ.
There is no mention of New Covenant in His dialogue with Nicodemus.

So, until a person come to Faith in Christ and is born again, .. then they remain under the 1st (Old) Covenant, = Under the Law, and "by the Law is the knowledge of Sin".

The Law was NEVER given to Gentiles. Gentiles do not remain under the Mosaic Covenant because they were never included in the Mosaic Covenant. Nor were Gentiles included in the Abrahamic Covenant.
Let's be precise.

The Good News, is...."Christ has Redeemed us from the Curse of the LAW"..... "Christ is the END of the Law for Righteousness, to/for everyone who BELIEVES"...
And the """curse""" is to be under the Law, which allows the Law to judge you as a SINNER.
So, the Grace of God, is the NEW Covenant, that takes the LAW's dominion off of you forever, and puts you here...= "Not under the Law, but under Grace".

Again, Gentiles were never under the Law so there is no redeeming "from under the Law" for them.
Israel was under the Law and the words you are quoting from the writings refer to them.

See that Grace of God?
That is the NEW Covenant, and that is where God spiritually rejoins Mankind for eternity... , only based on the Cross of Christ.

You need to read the Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures in context to WHOM God the Holy Spirit is writing to and that would be the Jews - all Israel - in covenant with God.
God made no covenant with Gentiles. He saves Gentiles without a covenant.

Now one more....
Jesus said "IT"......"is finished"?
What is finished?
A.) Our Salvation......, as Jesus just finished it, and told you...."IT", our Salvation, is FINISHED.

When you say "our" you no doubt are referring to hard-core, uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles and you would be in error.
Israel's Redeemer and King was covenanted and prophesied and promised to Israel from 'among their brethren,' and at the appointed time He came to and for Israel as promised.

How did He do that?
A.) """"For God hath made JESUS to be sin for us""".... and what does that do for you?
A.) "Jesus is the one time.....ETERNAL.....Sacrifice for SIN"....
This :
"""""This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more."""""
Notice carefully Reader....., their """SINS and Iniquities"""" = """God will remember = no more.""""

Notice carefully who this New Covenant was made: Israel.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah
Jer. 31:31.

This is important in understanding this "so-great salvation" which was prophesied by Israel's prophets to and for Israel.

So how did that happen, ?? What caused God to never again see your sin, or you as a sinner... ???? (If you are born again, and not just water baptized and religious). ??
A.) """" But this Man, Jesus The Christ"....after HE had offered ONE sacrifice for sins FOREVER on the Cross.....sat down on the right hand of God""
Reader, did you notice that the sacrifice for your SINS, is "FOREVER"..
That means yesterday, today, and forever.

Hebrews was written to the Hebrews, that is, Israel. Read it in the context to WHOM this writing is written to and come to the knowledge of the truth.

This means that you are forgiven, FOREVER.. As Salvation is not a part time Redemption, ...it is ETERNAL ... = "forever".
And.....The Reason that Jesus sat down after He returned to Heaven, is because "IT"... Your Salvation..."Is FINISHED", and if you are born again, you now belong to God for as long as God lives.
Now.
Do you see the completeness of the Cross of Christ, as your Salvation?
So, the answer is...."JESUS is your Salvation"... just like He is your Eternal LIFE.
And JESUS is inside you, as "Christ IN YOU, the hope of Glory"...if you are born again, and you now exist as "IN Christ", = "ONE with God".
For how long?
For as long as God and Christ LIVE.
NOW, edited, do not understand this at all.
They do not understand "FOREVER".
They do not understand "COMPLETED".
They do not understand "God Grace"
They do not understand the "IT is finished".
They do not understand the "Blood Atonement".
So, what will teach you, is that Jesus STARTED your Salvation, and now its on your back to complete it, by SELF EFFORT, .....which is manufactured Self Righteousness.
And THAT Theology, that tells you that you are still a sinner, and you have sin,= denies the Cross of Christ and Rejects the Grace of God, and is designed to deceive you and keep you away from the Truth.

You do not understand Jesus Christ was prophesied in the Jewish Scripture and as Jewish Messiah came as prophesied and while living taught Israel and eventually as per the Jewish prophet Isaiah's words in chapter 53 came and died for Israel as per covenant and prophecy.
You read the Hebrew Scriptures with a Gentile mindset and come away with error as I have shown you.
Read it as much as is possible in you to read it with a Jewish mindset and when you do that you'll come to the knowledge of the truth and your understanding will deepen.
You do want your understanding to deepen, yes?

 

[Behold]

No, Jesus did not say that.

John 19:

30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.​

 

[Behold]

The Law was NEVER given to Gentiles.

Paul is the "apostle to the gentiles".
He wrote most of the New Testament Epistles.

He wrote this to the Galatian Church, who were mostly Gentiles.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

That "our schoolmaster" is not just for Jews.., as how could MOSES LAW bring OT Jews to CHRIST when Christ is not in the OLD Testament, hanging on a Cross., or even born yet?

Now notice this verse.

"The born again are not under the Law, but under Grace"

Notice this verse.


"Jesus has redeemed US, from the curse of the law".. which is a NT verse given to the body of Christ, not to the House of Israel, as doctrine.

 

[Behold]

You mean, this sermon will help people understand your religion,

I dont have a "religion".

Im born again.

Why not? You preach the Law is gone now and no longer has dominion over us. But what does Paul say?

"Christ is the END of the LAW for Righteousness, to everyone who Believes"

"The power of SIN, is the Law". "The Law is the power of Sin".

"Jesus came to redeem us from the CURSE of the LAW"..

So, we see that heretics, who are Cross rejectors, would try to put the LAW back on a Christian, even tho Christ has freed them from the law.

How?

"You are no longer under the LAW, but under GRACE".

 

[jeremiah1five]

John 19:​

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30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.​

YOU SAID: So, this is explaining that through Jesus's sacrifice, (The Cross) .... God has removed the Old Covenant, that is Law and Commandments, and replaced it with the New Covenant, which is... The Grace of God. The Mercy of God. The "Blood atonement".

RESPONSE: Jesus did not say that nor do that.
How about leaving the Law of Moses to the people to whom it was given and letting them figure it out. It's enough Gentiles want to steal Israel's inheritance now they want to tell them what their Scriptures mean to them.

 

[101G]

And THAT Theology, that tells you that you are still a sinner, and you have sin,= denies the Cross of Christ and Rejects the Grace of God, and is designed to deceive you and keep you away from the Truth.

one question on the ABOVE STATEMENT. "we are saved I agree, but to say we're without sin... not sinners, (practicing sin), and still in these fleshly bodies." are we to remove and ignore these two scriptures ......... Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

well what about the sins of the future while in Christ? for...... 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." ANSWER, 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." HERE, HE IS SPEAKING TO BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS. SO PLEASE EXPLAIN.

1 John 1:10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

101G

 

[jeremiah1five]

Paul is the "apostle to the gentiles".
He wrote most of the New Testament Epistles.

He wrote this to the Galatian Church, who were mostly Gentiles.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

That "our schoolmaster" is not just for Jews.., as how could MOSES LAW bring OT Jews to CHRIST when Christ is not in the OLD Testament, hanging on a Cross., or even born yet?

Now notice this verse.

"The born again are not under the Law, but under Grace"

Notice this verse.


"Jesus has redeemed US, from the curse of the law".. which is a NT verse given to the body of Christ, not to the House of Israel, as doctrine.

ALL the New Covenant writings were written by Jewish Christians to other Jewish Christians in the various Jewish churches that bear their name (Corinth, Ephesus, Philippi, Rome, etc.)
The Church Christ Promised to build was founded by 30900 Jews which began the spiritual Israel. When these Jews went back to their homes and synagogues, they took Jesus with them, and more Jews were born-again. IF 3000 is a median number then by weeks end 21,000 Jews were born again and Christ was building His Church as per Covenant and prophecy. And for four decades while the Temple stood everything that happened to Israel happened TO ISRAEL in fulfillment of Covenant, Promises, and Prophecies. In 4 decades the number of Jews that could have been born-again would be 40,325,000. (Millions)
Now THAT'S a Church!

 

[Studyman]

I dont have a "religion".

Im born again.

I have no doubt you believe so. I'm sure those men in Matt. 7 believed the same exact same.

"Christ is the END of the LAW for Righteousness, to everyone who Believes"

True, I need look no further than the Christ to know how to "live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world". And truly I need look no further than the Christ for the New Man I am to put on, that like the Jesus "of the Bible", "which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."

As HIS Spirit inspired to be written;

1 John 2: 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

So Yes, "Christ is the END of the LAW for Righteousness, to everyone who Believes"

And because the Christ saw the religions of this world coming, HE prepared me for them.

1 John 3: 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that "doeth" righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

"The power of SIN, is the Law". "The Law is the power of Sin". "Jesus came to redeem us from the CURSE of the LAW"..

Yes, we rejected God's Laws. We knew Him, but didn't Glorify HIM as God, when we "walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit "that now worketh" in the children of disobedience:" As a result, we "were dead in trespasses and sins", or as it is written, "Cursed" by the Law, "the soul that sins shall die"..

But the Jesus "of the Bible" came to redeem the repentant from the "curse", making us alive again through the Grace of God that bringeth salvation, which hath appeared to all men.

Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ "of the Bible".

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

"Many", who come in Christ's Name, use religious slogans and bumper stickers that sound churchy and look holy. But it seems more prudent to actually understand what is written, rather than simply used selected texts to justify a particular religious sect.

So, we see that heretics, who are Cross rejectors, would try to put the LAW back on a Christian, even tho Christ has freed them from the law.

That an interesting religious philosophy. So in your adopted religion, you "were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience".

So you rejected God's Law, and by that "work" the Law killed you because the Law says "The soul that sins shall die".

So in your religion, Jesus came to remove the LAW which defines sin, not the Sin. So then in your religion you can stay the same and continue in the same "Walk", Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience, only this time you call Jesus Lord, Lord?

Fascinating, and certainly a seductive religion, it's no wonder so "Many" who come in Christ's Name, adopt it.

And also no wonder Jesus warned specifically of this very thing.

How?

"You are no longer under the LAW, but under GRACE".

This is why I posted Paul's Words which address this very religious philosophy you are promoting to others.

Rom. 6: 15 What then? shall we sin, (Transgress God's commandments) because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (That means NO Behold, we should not continue to transgress God's commandments because we are no longer dead in our trespasses and sins, AKA, "under the Law")

Why not Behold? Why should we honor God in humility and obedience, after Jesus removes the Sin that held us in Death? I was hoping you might step back from your religion, and consider what Paul teaches regarding the very argument you are making. But you ignored him. Nevertheless, perhaps maybe this time you might consider.

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye "yield yourselves" servants to obey, "his servants ye are" to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

So as you should be able to see, the "curse of the Law" still exists. If you continue to live in trespasses and sins, as you did in times past, death will once again claim you. Paul is speaking right to you it seems. "Don't you know this Behold"?

Paul continues!

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of (God's) righteousness.

So then, according to Scriptures, the "Cross Rejecters" are those heretics who use and sell through their "many" religious businesses, the Blood of the innocent Christ to justify religious traditions which transgress the God's commandments. In the same way the Pharisees religious business used and sold the blood of innocent animals to justify their religious traditions which transgressed God's Commandments.

I am warned to "Take Heed" of the "many" who "profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate".

Perhaps if you believed Paul, you would know these things as well. My hope is that you might consider his words, over this world's preachers.