Things that accompany Christ

[civic]

What do you mean ?

If one u is s trusting in the flesh as you claim then the opposite must also be true that one can trust in the spirit.

So what does it mean to trust in the spirit ?

 

[brightfame52]

If one u is s trusting in the flesh as you claim then the opposite must also be true that one can trust in the spirit.

So what does it mean to trust in the spirit ?

I never heard of it pal. Do you understand why I believe that poster is trusting in the flesh ?

 

[brightfame52]

Your accusation proves to me you cannot refute that Saul is addressing Jews and Jewish Christian in his Galatian letter, especially chapter 3 where you believe that Saul is writing to Gentiles (he's actually writing to "Greek" meaning Hellenized JEWS), and additionally, your belief that Galatians 3:28-29 Saul is referring to Gentiles is in error by the use of his statements that went before, statements like the use of "the Law" and "schoolmaster" which are references to the Jews as they were the people that were under the Law and NOT Gentiles.
In other words, you're a cop out. But if you want to deny the truth and remain blinded by your depraved mind, go ahead and have at it.
What a shame.

Take note. I believe the LORD has unlocked my understanding of these following passages of Scripture:

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:3–5.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:9–12.

Without a doubt the Hebrew Scripture of the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets, DO NOT record God making any covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
You know it and I know it, and others here also know it and cannot refute the truth that Scripture records NO COVENANT between the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and non-Hebrew Gentiles.

I believe I KNOW what that "strong delusion" is that God shall send upon the world (NOT upon the Jewish Church.)
I also KNOW with considerable reasonableness HOW this "strong delusion" will occur.
It is the delusion that non-Hebrew Gentiles are sharing the Abrahamic Covenant with the Jews and this all began very soon after the Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple and again scattered the Jewish people into non-Hebrew Gentile lands.

You have not refuted my position that the New Covenant writings (Matthew to Revelation) - Galatians included - were all written by Jews and Jewish Christians to and for other Jews and Jewish Christians. Instead, you cop out and think your response to my argument is the way to WIN debates and arguments. I am here to tell you - it is not.
Another one bites the dust!

Jesus is the Great High Priest of His People, is He in that office according to the mosaic law ? Heb 2:17

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You deceived, trusting in the flesh

Sometime. Like when one gives blood transfusion, or liver transplant, or kidney. There's a lot of trusting in the flesh, but I for one thank God for my flesh weak as it is. For one day I will be raised incorruptible, and I will soar with eagles' wings in a newly resurrected body like the one Jesus has. I will be both flesh and spirit. Glorified.

And you can't deny the Bible is a history of the Hebrew people. God has a favorite and they are the Jews, the Hebrew people. He has respect for and towards them. It's in the Bible. You should read it more.

23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.
24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
25 And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.
Exodus 2:23–25.

Be careful. If you curse His people, He will curse YOU!

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jesus is the Great High Priest of His People, is He in that office according to the mosaic law ? Heb 2:17

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Yes. According to the Mosaic Covenant.
The New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus Christ.
Saul said, "the Law is spiritual."
John said, "God is Spirit."
And through the new birth we become spirit. Not only that the Law cannot kill us anymore.
And as Christ obeyed and fulfilled the Law in every aspect, God sees us as also fulfilling the Law perfectly just as Christ did. This is the basis of our justification. We are declared "Not Guilty! of ever violating the Law so that it kills us as it did before. And the reason for that was that the "letter killeth" but the "spirit maketh alive."
Justified. Not guilty! Thank you, Jesus.

You, too, need to become saved and believe the Scripture. Don't let another day pass. Ask the Lord, "am in the book of life of the lamb?"
He'll tell you. Or one day you'll know. But as long as there is breath in your lungs there is still hope for you.
Kiss the Son.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes. According to the Mosaic Covenant.
The New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus Christ.
Saul said, "the Law is spiritual."
John said, "God is Spirit."
And through the new birth we become spirit. Not only that the Law cannot kill us anymore.
And as Christ obeyed and fulfilled the Law in every aspect, God sees us as also fulfilling the Law perfectly just as Christ did. This is the basis of our justification. We are declared "Not Guilty! of ever violating the Law so that it kills us as it did before. And the reason for that was that the "letter killeth" but the "spirit maketh alive."
Justified. Not guilty! Thank you, Jesus.

You, too, need to become saved and believe the Scripture. Don't let another day pass. Ask the Lord, "am in the book of life of the lamb?"
He'll tell you. Or one day you'll know. But as long as there is breath in your lungs there is still hope for you.
Kiss the Son.

You evaded, Jesus is High Priest, is He a High Priest according to the Law of Moses ?

 

[jeremiah1five]

You evaded, Jesus is High Priest, is He a High Priest according to the Law of Moses ?

Both.
And all.
Each.
And every.

There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants.
Say it.

 

[brightfame52]

Both.
And all.
Each.
And every.

There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants.
Say it.

Jesus was not qualified to be a High Priest according to the mosaic law because He isnt from the tribe of Levi Heb 7

9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11 ;If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Melchisedec Priesthood wasnt according ethnicity, geneology

For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Now Jesus Salvific Priesthood isnt hebrew, its far superior Vs

24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

The mosaic economy served as pictures and types of something far superior than its carnal ordinances

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jesus was not qualified to be a High Priest according to the mosaic law because He isnt from the tribe of Levi Heb 7

9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11 ;If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Melchisedec Priesthood wasnt according ethnicity, geneology

For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Now Jesus Salvific Priesthood isnt hebrew, its far superior Vs

24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

The mosaic economy served as pictures and types of something far superior than its carnal ordinances

You post Scripture that God recognizes Jesus Christ as High Priest of God. Actually, He is sent for that purpose. Moses not saying anything about a priesthood coming out of Judah does not mean that Jesus was disqualified to be High Priest. The secret things belong to the Lord. As long as He is overseeing redemption and salvation is OK with me. If He decides to reveal certain things, then they belong to us. The fact remains Jesus Christ performed the prayers and sacrifice as High Priest that was sufficient and acceptable to God. If Jesus was not High Priest, then John 17 is a lie and we are still in our sins.

 

[brightfame52]

You post Scripture that God recognizes Jesus Christ as High Priest of God. Actually, He is sent for that purpose. Moses not saying anything about a priesthood coming out of Judah does not mean that Jesus was disqualified to be High Priest. The secret things belong to the Lord. As long as He is overseeing redemption and salvation is OK with me. If He decides to reveal certain things, then they belong to us. The fact remains Jesus Christ performed the prayers and sacrifice as High Priest that was sufficient and acceptable to God. If Jesus was not High Priest, then John 17 is a lie and we are still in our sins.

He was from Judah, not Levi, the Law required the High Priest of Gods People be from Levi

 

[jeremiah1five]

He was from Judah, not Levi, the Law required the High Priest of Gods People be from Levi

That's right. But as Moses said as quoted by Saul, "[he] said nothing about a priesthood coming from the tribe of Judah."

 

[brightfame52]

That's right. But as Moses said as quoted by Saul, "[he] said nothing about a priesthood coming from the tribe of Judah."

So His Priesthood isnt jewish, and according to the Law of Moses. It was established before the world began in the everlasting settlements of the everlasting Covenant, for a chosen people of all nations of the world, and israel of the flesh was a picture a type of this heavenly people. You however trust in the flesh, like the deceived pharisees and jews did

 

[jeremiah1five]

So His Priesthood isnt jewish, and according to the Law of Moses. It was established before the world began in the everlasting settlements of the everlasting Covenant, for a chosen people of all nations of the world, and israel of the flesh was a picture a type of this heavenly people. You however trust in the flesh, like the deceived pharisees and jews did

Jesus is of the tribe of Judah. Of course He's Jewish as is His Priesthood.

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus is of the tribe of Judah. Of course He's Jewish as is His Priesthood.

Jesus Priesthood isnt jewish mosaic law because He wasnt from Levi Heb 7:14-17

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 ;For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The Mosaic Priesthood fell into the category law of a carnal commandment, Jesus of the power of a endless life, a far more superior Priesthood, ethnicity, genology didnt govern this Priesthood

Jesus superior Priesthood was with the Divine Oath , symbolizing its Superiority over and above the mosaic priesthood that so governs your thinking Heb 7:19-21

19 For the law[Mosaic] made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21 ;(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

You are vying for all that which is much inferior to Christ and His Covenant Engagements for the Salvation of His People

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jesus Priesthood isnt jewish mosaic law because He wasnt from Levi Heb 7:14-17

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 ;For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The Mosaic Priesthood fell into the category law of a carnal commandment, Jesus of the power of a endless life, a far more superior Priesthood, ethnicity, genology didnt govern this Priesthood

Jesus superior Priesthood was with the Divine Oath , symbolizing its Superiority over and above the mosaic priesthood that so governs your thinking Heb 7:19-21

19 For the law[Mosaic] made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21 ;(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

You are vying for all that which is much inferior to Christ and His Covenant Engagements for the Salvation of His People

Do you understand Deuteronomy 29:29?

29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Deut. 29:29.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:14–16.

IT IS A SECRET THING that Jesus may not have been associated with the Law of Moses but neither does God say He was. It is a secret thing of the LORD. And it doesn't mean He wasn't because it does not say He wasn't. Kinda falls into the theology that the Bible doesn't say God is a Trinity, the evidence of exegesis PROVES God is a Trinity. The bottom line is the same concerning the Priesthood of Christ, the evidence of an "endless life" and the evidence of Jesus of whom endured a life that ended (on the cross.) Flesh and Spirit. Hypostatic Union. Both are united in One Person.

So let God have His 'secret things.'

 

[brightfame52]

Do you understand Deuteronomy 29:29?

29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Deut. 29:29.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:14–16.

IT IS A SECRET THING that Jesus may not have been associated with the Law of Moses but neither does God say He was. It is a secret thing of the LORD. And it doesn't mean He wasn't because it does not say He wasn't. Kinda falls into the theology that the Bible doesn't say God is a Trinity, the evidence of exegesis PROVES God is a Trinity. The bottom line is the same concerning the Priesthood of Christ, the evidence of an "endless life" and the evidence of Jesus of whom endured a life that ended (on the cross.) Flesh and Spirit. Hypostatic Union. Both are united in One Person.

So let God have His 'secret things.'

Jesus Priesthood being of a Superior Priesthood over and above your beloved jewish ethnic priesthood of moses is something revealed, duh

 

[brightfame52]

See Christ died as a Covenant Head, so He was given as a Covenant of the People, which Covenant confirmed many spiritual blessings upon that people, for we read Isa 42:6-7

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

This Covenant Headship provided light unto Gentiles, which therefore presupposes regeneration, because this light emmanates from life, as when Jesus said Jn 8:12

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

These are things that accompany Christ, fruit of His Death

 

[brightfame52]

Gentiles shall come to thy light !

Because Jesus was given a Covenant of the People, Gentiles will come to the True Light Isa 60:3,1-5

Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.

2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

3 ;And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

God guarantees conversion ! This too accompanies Christ !

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jesus Priesthood being of a Superior Priesthood over and above your beloved jewish ethnic priesthood of moses is something revealed, duh

You got it all wrong.
Jesus' Priesthood is built upon Moses' priesthood being a Levite as was Aaron, brother.
If there was no Mosaic Law given by God to and for the children of Israel, then what exactly did Jesus fulfill?

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matt. 5:17–18.

If there was no Mosaic Law that instructed in sacrifices, then Jesus' death has no foundation for the redemption of the children of Israel.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1 Cor. 15:3–4.

What Scripture is that?
It's in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy that describes the Mosaic Covenant including the Law of Moses.
Jesus' sacrifice is eternally tied to the Law.
Don't hate the altar of God nor the throne of grace.

 

[brightfame52]

You got it all wrong.
Jesus' Priesthood is built upon Moses' priesthood being a Levite as was Aaron, brother.
If there was no Mosaic Law given by God to and for the children of Israel, then what exactly did Jesus fulfill?

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matt. 5:17–18.

If there was no Mosaic Law that instructed in sacrifices, then Jesus' death has no foundation for the redemption of the children of Israel.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1 Cor. 15:3–4.

What Scripture is that?
It's in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy that describes the Mosaic Covenant including the Law of Moses.
Jesus' sacrifice is eternally tied to the Law.
Don't hate the altar of God nor the throne of grace.

So we back where we started, you trusting in the flesh Phil 3:1-5

Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.

2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;