jeremiah1five
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I can tell you've never been discipled (disciplined in the things of God.)That is an absurd argument
Are you telling me
All [New Testament] scripture is Not given by inspiration of God, and is Not profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The New Testament is there to CORRECT you, but you refuse to be corrected.
The New Testament is there to bring reproof to you, but you reject its counsel.
The New Testament is there for doctrine, but you refuse to receive what it says.
The New Testament is there for instruction in righteousness, but you choose your own righteousness instead of the Lord's.
You state
You are "right" in your own eyes while ignoring multiple New Testament verses and some Old Testament verses as well
You ignored all the verses which include the gentiles
Gal 3:7–9 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
Gal 3:26–29 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
Rom 4:16–17For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, (as it is written, “A father of many nations have I made you”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.
Acts 13:47For so the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have appointed you to be a light for the Gentiles, that you would bring salvation to the end of the earth.’
Acts 28:28Therefore let it be known to you that this salvation of God has been sent to the Gentiles. They also will listen!”
Rom 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Gal 3:8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news in advance to Abraham: “In you all the nations will be blessed.”
You also ignore facts and verses found in the Old Testament.
Gen 17:5“ No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I will make you the father of a multitude of nations.
Genesis 18:18 (NASB 95) — 18 since Abraham will surely become a great and mighty nation, and in him all the nations of the earth will be blessed?
Gen 22:18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice
Isa 49:6He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”
Isaiah 56:4–7 (NASB 95) — 4 For thus says the LORD, “To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths, And choose what pleases Me, And hold fast My covenant, 5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial, And a name better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off. 6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath And holds fast My covenant; 7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar; For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
Ps 67:2That Your way may be known on the earth, Your salvation among all nations.
Bottomline, You have ignored verse after verse in both the Old and New Testaments.
The first thing you should have learned and someone should have taught you is the New Testament MUST say the same thing as the Old Testament. When you come up with a teaching that cannot be 'squared' by the Old Testament then that teaching must be rejected, and further study is required to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Truth number one: There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles included in none of the three major salvation covenants found in the Old Testament. There are no non-Hebrews included in the Abraham Covenant as the Scripture in Genesis 12, 15, and 17 record this covenant of promises by God is given to Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) and his Hebrew seed. Faith is not a part or required by Abram or his seed, only circumcision (and this requires obedience.)
Truth number two: There are no non-Hebrews included in the covenant God made with the Hebrew children of Israel through Moses in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle. God gave His Law to the Hebrew people He delivered out of Egyptian bondage and there are no non-Hebrews included in this covenant of promises. God never included non-Hebrews in this covenant either. The only requirement God placed on the Hebrew people is obedience.
Truth number three: God made covenant promises through the prophet Jeremiah in his prophecy of a New Covenant found in his "book" (31:31-34) and the participants of this covenant is between God and the (ten northern kingdom tribes) of the House of Israel and the (two southern kingdom tribes) of the House of Judah. Non-Hebrew Gentiles are not included in this covenant either.
Truth number four: Jesus (Yeshua) was the One God promised to send who would be a "prophet like unto Moses" and this prophecy was given by Moses to the children of Israel in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle (Deut. 18:15, 18.) Yeshua bar Yosef (Jesus, son of Joseph) fulfilled over 300 prophecies given to Israel and recorded in the Old Testament Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets. Yeshua Himself stated early in His Ministry to the Hebrew people that He did not come to change the Law but to fulfill it. This means that as God's substitute of the animal sacrifice made every Yom Kippur, which sacrifice was made by the high priest and whose blood was sprinkled upon the children of Israel, God would continue the Law to offer His Son as sacrifice to and for the children of Israel in keeping with the Law that instructed and commanded Israel in their sacrifices and that just as the animal that was sacrificed yearly on Israel's holiest day, Passover, the same sacrifice by God was given to and for the children of Israel to atone once and for all Hebrews according to the Law instructing Israel in sacrifices. The animal sacrificed yearly on Yom Kippur was slain and its blood was sprinkled upon the children of Israel the same that God sprinkled the blood of His Son upon the children of Israel (wasn't an actual sprinkling, but that Yeshua's sacrifice serve the same purpose as the animal sacrificed under the Law. This is what prompted Saul to write to Jews and Jewish Christians in his Galatian letter here:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians 4:4–5.
and
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all,
God blessed for ever.
Amen. Romans 9:3–5.
What Saul is saying above is that these things that accompany salvation (all underlined and italic) pertain to Israel. This is salvation in the clearest possible sense. These things PERTAIN TO ISRAEL.
Any teaching that changes or adds to the Bible is teaching that does not complement the Old Testament record.
By interpreting "Gentiles" in the New Testament as 'non-Hebrew' contradicts centuries of Hebrew history and contradicts what is written in the Old Testament - especially Jeremiah 31:31-34, which states:
10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations,
And declare it in the isles afar off, and say,
He that scattered Israel will gather him,
And keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
Jeremiah 31:10.
and
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:31–34.
Another important teaching from the Old Testament prophets is found in Joel. Joel prophesied God's Spirit will be given to Israel:
27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel,
And that I am the LORD your God, and none else:
And my people shall never be ashamed.
28 And it shall come to pass afterward,
That I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids
In those days will I pour out my spirit.
Joel 2:27–29.
Joel was a prophet to the southern kingdom of Judah. This prophecy does NOT include non-Hebrew Gentiles.
Therefore, any interpretation of the Old Testament prophets (Scripture) that seeks to include non-Hebrews is a teaching not found in the Old Testament record and is to be rejected. Thus, interpreting "Gentiles" as found in the New Covenant writings of the prophets and apostles letters cannot be identified as "non-Hebrew" for the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34 does not mention, name, or include Gentiles, therefore interpreting "Gentiles" as "non-Hebrew" violates the Old Testament record of prophecies given by the prophets of Israel. ALL the prophets God sent to Israel spoke to Israel - NOT non-Hebrew Gentiles.
The Jews called the mixed heritage Jews Samaritan and not Jew the same that Jews called mixed heritage Jews "Gentile" and not Jew who grew up and grew up as Gentile in Gentile lands as the result of God scattering His people into Gentile lands beginning with the Assyrian Conquest of Israel and continuing with the Babylonian Conquest of Judah (722 and 586 BC, respectively.)
These Jews and mixed heritage Jews who grew up in Gentile lands, grew up as Gentile as Saul explains in Ephesians:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Ephesians 2:11–13.
Saul is identifying these mixed heritage Jews as Gentile because for the most part they grew up assimilated into Gentile and Greek culture for 29-35 generations of births and offspring.
That is all I am going to say. Receive or reject, there is no medium.
You need to reconsider your position that non-Hebrews are included in the Old Testament record that clearly does NOT include non-Hebrews in God's Word to Israel.