synergy
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Your total inability to offer any counterargument against what the Bible clearly says demonstrates to everyone that your calvinist heresies have crashed and burned.
The Work of the Spirit is for the Church !
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brightfame52
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Now you are opposing the work of the SpiritYour total inability to offer any counterargument against what the Bible clearly says demonstrates to everyone that your calvinist heresies have crashed and burned.
synergy
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Huh? My beliefs are totally aligned with the Bible. It's you who is opposing what the Bible clearly says.
brightfame52
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Read the thread, its about the Spirits role in salvation. Salvation is applied by the Spirit of God, upon all for whom Christ died and redeemed.
synergy
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Christ died for all. That makes all calvinists to be universalists.
brightfame52
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The Spirit is given as a gift of the salvation to the people Christ died for.
synergy
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Since Christ died for all, that makes all calvinists to be universalists.
brightfame52
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He died for all whom He saved.
synergy
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You keep falling into universalism because Jesus died for all.
brightfame52
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He died for all that believe. Now does some believe not and die in their sins ?
synergy
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Your Pastor does not know the answer to your question?
brightfame52
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Because we are Sons !
Because we are Sons , God sends the Spirit of Adoption into our hearts, whereby we cry abba father Rom 8:15
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Also Gal 4:4-6
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Note: Even though the word receive used in this verses are in the active voice, the subjects were passive in the reception, they received because the Gift was given or bestowed upon them or communicated in them !
For instance the Spirit is said to have been sent into your hearts in Vs 6 ! So they received it because God sent it into them !
Again in Acts 10:47
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received G2983 the Holy Ghost as well as we?
The same word for receive lambano is used here in the active voice, however we know they received it by it being bestowed upon them while Peter was Preaching Acts 10:44-45
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Notice the words fell on ! that makes them passive in how they received it ! It means the Holy Ghost seized them and took possession of them !
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Notice here the words poured out, as in pour out on them ! They again were passive in how they received the Holy Ghost Gift !
The word pour means to bestow upon :
So they receive what was given or bestowed upon them !
The word lambano means:
Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
The Holy Ghost
Now we know Peter means by Gift the Holy Ghost, and the word Gave is the greek word didōmi which does mean:
Because we are Sons , God sends the Spirit of Adoption into our hearts, whereby we cry abba father Rom 8:15
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Also Gal 4:4-6
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Note: Even though the word receive used in this verses are in the active voice, the subjects were passive in the reception, they received because the Gift was given or bestowed upon them or communicated in them !
For instance the Spirit is said to have been sent into your hearts in Vs 6 ! So they received it because God sent it into them !
Again in Acts 10:47
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received G2983 the Holy Ghost as well as we?
The same word for receive lambano is used here in the active voice, however we know they received it by it being bestowed upon them while Peter was Preaching Acts 10:44-45
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Notice the words fell on ! that makes them passive in how they received it ! It means the Holy Ghost seized them and took possession of them !
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Notice here the words poured out, as in pour out on them ! They again were passive in how they received the Holy Ghost Gift !
The word pour means to bestow upon :
So they receive what was given or bestowed upon them !
The word lambano means:
- to receive (what is given or bestowed), to gain, get, obtain, to get back
Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
The Holy Ghost
Now we know Peter means by Gift the Holy Ghost, and the word Gave is the greek word didōmi which does mean:
- to give
- to give something to someone
- of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage
- to bestow a gift
brightfame52
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Because we are Sons !2
Now all for whom Christ died, He actually redeemed them from the curse of the Law, having been made a curse for them Gal 3:13-14
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Note: Their had to be a relationship already between Christ and those He had a Family Right to redeem !
14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
This redemption was in order that the Gentiles might receive the Promise of the Spirit !
Thas what Peter meant here Acts 10:45,47
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
This shows that the Gentiles partook of the redemptive blood of Christ and that they also must have been in a family relationship with Him to be their Redeemer.
Christ had to act as under the requirement of a near kinsmen redeemer ! Lev 23:23-25
23 ‘The land, moreover, shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are but aliens and sojourners with Me. 24 Thus for every [a]piece of your property, you are to provide for the redemption of the land.
25 ‘If a [b]fellow countryman of yours becomes so poor he has to sell part of his property, then his nearest kinsman is to come and buy back what his [c]relative has sold.
And Christ was made under the Law doe this Purpose Gal 4:4-6
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
The word redeem in Vs 5 means:
to redeem
Now all for whom Christ died, He actually redeemed them from the curse of the Law, having been made a curse for them Gal 3:13-14
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Note: Their had to be a relationship already between Christ and those He had a Family Right to redeem !
14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
This redemption was in order that the Gentiles might receive the Promise of the Spirit !
Thas what Peter meant here Acts 10:45,47
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
This shows that the Gentiles partook of the redemptive blood of Christ and that they also must have been in a family relationship with Him to be their Redeemer.
Christ had to act as under the requirement of a near kinsmen redeemer ! Lev 23:23-25
23 ‘The land, moreover, shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are but aliens and sojourners with Me. 24 Thus for every [a]piece of your property, you are to provide for the redemption of the land.
25 ‘If a [b]fellow countryman of yours becomes so poor he has to sell part of his property, then his nearest kinsman is to come and buy back what his [c]relative has sold.
And Christ was made under the Law doe this Purpose Gal 4:4-6
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
The word redeem in Vs 5 means:
to redeem
- by payment of a price to recover from the power of another, to ransom, buy off
brightfame52
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Because we are Sons !3
These things go to prove that it was God's Sons, Christ's brethren that He died for Heb 2:17
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
In this they were the children of God, in fact the many brethren spoken of here are they Rom 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
The brethren in Heb 2:17 and the ones in Rom 8:29 are the exact same, it has nothing to do with being a ethnic jew or a Gentile, fleshly relations has nothing to do with it, that is not what being children of God is about !
And to further prove that they were children/sons of God whom Christ died and redeemed, Christ's Spirit is sent into their hearts to give them Life Gal 4:4-6
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons/children, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
The Spirit is sent for two things, to give Life out of the dead, redemptive life Eph 2:5
and to confirm and authenticate that they are the children of God, and as evidence of this new life, as newborn babes spanked on the bottom, we cry abba father, it gives evidence of now having a living vital relationship, being established through Christ for the redeemed ones !
This proves that Christ's their Elder Brother Redeemer, His Life and Death in their names, on their behalf satisfied God's Law and Justice, that sin has been dealt effectively with, and Righteousness for them established, and death has been abolished for them ! For it is impossible [in the justice of God] for any for whom Christ died to remain in spiritual death and unbelief [for unbelief is but a symptom of spiritual death] for they are consequences of sin Rom 6:23. If our sins have been effectively dealt with, so has our death unto God, and Life to God must be granted instead, so we read:
Rom 6:9-11
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 7
These things go to prove that it was God's Sons, Christ's brethren that He died for Heb 2:17
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
In this they were the children of God, in fact the many brethren spoken of here are they Rom 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
The brethren in Heb 2:17 and the ones in Rom 8:29 are the exact same, it has nothing to do with being a ethnic jew or a Gentile, fleshly relations has nothing to do with it, that is not what being children of God is about !
And to further prove that they were children/sons of God whom Christ died and redeemed, Christ's Spirit is sent into their hearts to give them Life Gal 4:4-6
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons/children, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
The Spirit is sent for two things, to give Life out of the dead, redemptive life Eph 2:5
and to confirm and authenticate that they are the children of God, and as evidence of this new life, as newborn babes spanked on the bottom, we cry abba father, it gives evidence of now having a living vital relationship, being established through Christ for the redeemed ones !
This proves that Christ's their Elder Brother Redeemer, His Life and Death in their names, on their behalf satisfied God's Law and Justice, that sin has been dealt effectively with, and Righteousness for them established, and death has been abolished for them ! For it is impossible [in the justice of God] for any for whom Christ died to remain in spiritual death and unbelief [for unbelief is but a symptom of spiritual death] for they are consequences of sin Rom 6:23. If our sins have been effectively dealt with, so has our death unto God, and Life to God must be granted instead, so we read:
Rom 6:9-11
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 7
brightfame52
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Because we are Sons !4
Now because those Christ died for are Sons/children His redemptive death ensures redemptive life out of the Soirit of Christ Gal 4:4-6
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
He writes it another way here Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
In other words, the Spirit of Adoption in Gal 4:5 is the same as the promise of the Spirit in Gal 3:14, both received as a result of Christ's Redemptive death !
And by receiving the Spirit we also receive the fruit of Faith Gal 5:22 which embraces the preached Gospel, and that manifests us as the Children or Sons of God Gal 3:26
26 For ye are all the[redeemed] children of God by[because of] faith in Christ Jesus.
The Faith in Jesus Christ is what reveals that we were always secretly the Children of God !
Now because those Christ died for are Sons/children His redemptive death ensures redemptive life out of the Soirit of Christ Gal 4:4-6
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
He writes it another way here Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
In other words, the Spirit of Adoption in Gal 4:5 is the same as the promise of the Spirit in Gal 3:14, both received as a result of Christ's Redemptive death !
And by receiving the Spirit we also receive the fruit of Faith Gal 5:22 which embraces the preached Gospel, and that manifests us as the Children or Sons of God Gal 3:26
26 For ye are all the[redeemed] children of God by[because of] faith in Christ Jesus.
The Faith in Jesus Christ is what reveals that we were always secretly the Children of God !
brightfame52
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Because we are Sons !5
When we are given the Spirit of Adoption because we are redeemed sons/children Gal 4:6, then was given Faith as a fruit of the Spirit of Adoption Gal 5:22
22 But the fruit of the Spirit[of Adoption Gal 4:5-6] is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
This Faith is liken also as a breathing after God in Christ, its our inwrd evidence of Life from Christ and that we are children of God experimentally Rom 8:15-16
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption [by redemption Gal 4:4-6], whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our[human] spirit, that we are the children of God:
John says those believing on Christ has the witness in themselves 1 Jn 5:10
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
The Spirit for Christ's sake of redenption gives Life to the redeemed children of God Jn 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Faith or believing is the fruit of evidence of this Life given by the Spirit, and it ignites the Calling upon the Name of the Lord,
So we dont call upon the name of the Lord to obtain or get life, thats backwards, we believe and or call upon the name of the Lord as evidence that we have been given Life by the Spirit, and our new founded spiritual relationship with God in Christ is made manifested by our crying out Abba Father. And in a Spiritual redemptive sense Christ is Our Father Isa 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
For the word Father 'ab :
Acts 3:15;5:31
Hes the Head of a Household Heb 3:6
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
As the Prince of Life Acts 3:15 this describes the portion of the greek definition of Father Pater :
It is Christ Himself who gives us Eternal Life Jn 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Jn 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
So redemptively as a Gift from the Father, He is Our Father, we are His Children God gave Him to give Life to Heb 2:13
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Christ gives us Life as Our Redemptive Father 1 Cor 15:45
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
The Last Adam had to be a Head as the first man Adam ! 7
When we are given the Spirit of Adoption because we are redeemed sons/children Gal 4:6, then was given Faith as a fruit of the Spirit of Adoption Gal 5:22
22 But the fruit of the Spirit[of Adoption Gal 4:5-6] is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
This Faith is liken also as a breathing after God in Christ, its our inwrd evidence of Life from Christ and that we are children of God experimentally Rom 8:15-16
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption [by redemption Gal 4:4-6], whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our[human] spirit, that we are the children of God:
John says those believing on Christ has the witness in themselves 1 Jn 5:10
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
The Spirit for Christ's sake of redenption gives Life to the redeemed children of God Jn 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Faith or believing is the fruit of evidence of this Life given by the Spirit, and it ignites the Calling upon the Name of the Lord,
So we dont call upon the name of the Lord to obtain or get life, thats backwards, we believe and or call upon the name of the Lord as evidence that we have been given Life by the Spirit, and our new founded spiritual relationship with God in Christ is made manifested by our crying out Abba Father. And in a Spiritual redemptive sense Christ is Our Father Isa 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
For the word Father 'ab :
- father of an individual
- of God as father of his people
- head or founder of a household, group, family, or clan
ancestor- grandfather, forefathers — of person
- of people
- originator or patron of a class, profession, or art
- of producer, generator (fig.)
- of benevolence and protection (fig.)
- term of respect and honour
- ruler or chief (spec.)
Acts 3:15;5:31
Hes the Head of a Household Heb 3:6
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
As the Prince of Life Acts 3:15 this describes the portion of the greek definition of Father Pater :
- one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds
It is Christ Himself who gives us Eternal Life Jn 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Jn 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
So redemptively as a Gift from the Father, He is Our Father, we are His Children God gave Him to give Life to Heb 2:13
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Christ gives us Life as Our Redemptive Father 1 Cor 15:45
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
The Last Adam had to be a Head as the first man Adam ! 7
brightfame52
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What is this Blessing of Abraham ?
What is this Blessing of Abraham ?
Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Hint, its something stated in this verse that shall happen or come upon the Gentiles through/in Jesus Christ
The Blessing of Abraham is that God through or in Christ, Abraham's Seed Gal 3:16, that the Gentiles might receive upon them, the Promise of the Spirit, for as in Christ they are Abrahams Spiritual Seed.
God gives Abraham a Spiritual Seed, as He did give Him a natural seed, yet this Spiritual Seed is not through being born physically, but being born Spiritually, and by this Birth Spiritually comes the fruit of Faith Gal 5:22 which identifies them as Abraham's Spiritual Seed, thats why we read in Gal 3:7,9
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
We become of Faith because we are Children given to Abraham by the Promise of God.
God Promised Abraham a Seed or that He would multiply him here Gen 17:1-5
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
Those who are of Faith are part of the Multiplying God promised to Abraham in Vs 2 !
They are found to be amongst the Gentiles from Vs 4-5 , thats how he becomes a Father of many nations, because God has given him a seed or children from the many nations, and so upon them comes the Blessing of Abraham, which is the Spirit in and through Jesus Christ, which seals them and identifies them as Abraham's Spiritual Children promised by God Himself ! God sware this to Abraham Heb 6:13-14
13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
This agrees with Gen 17:2
2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. and
Gen 22:17-18
17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
This Blessing comes through/in Christ Jesus Abrahams Seed, and its the Blessing of the Spirit !
God would give Abraham a Spiritual seed, not born by natural birth, but by a Spiritual birth, which is what Isaacs birth typified by his supernatural birth, opposed to what ishmaels birth typified by his birth by the flesh, one after the Spirit and promise, and one after the flesh and human effort Gal 4:29
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
And all True Believers, whether jew or Gentile are born after the typical Isaac, the Child of Promise Gal 4:28
28 Now we, brethren[believers in Christ], as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
And have receive the Spirit of Promise through Jesus Christ Gal 3:14
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith or according to the Faith. 8
What is this Blessing of Abraham ?
Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Hint, its something stated in this verse that shall happen or come upon the Gentiles through/in Jesus Christ
The Blessing of Abraham is that God through or in Christ, Abraham's Seed Gal 3:16, that the Gentiles might receive upon them, the Promise of the Spirit, for as in Christ they are Abrahams Spiritual Seed.
God gives Abraham a Spiritual Seed, as He did give Him a natural seed, yet this Spiritual Seed is not through being born physically, but being born Spiritually, and by this Birth Spiritually comes the fruit of Faith Gal 5:22 which identifies them as Abraham's Spiritual Seed, thats why we read in Gal 3:7,9
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
We become of Faith because we are Children given to Abraham by the Promise of God.
God Promised Abraham a Seed or that He would multiply him here Gen 17:1-5
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
Those who are of Faith are part of the Multiplying God promised to Abraham in Vs 2 !
They are found to be amongst the Gentiles from Vs 4-5 , thats how he becomes a Father of many nations, because God has given him a seed or children from the many nations, and so upon them comes the Blessing of Abraham, which is the Spirit in and through Jesus Christ, which seals them and identifies them as Abraham's Spiritual Children promised by God Himself ! God sware this to Abraham Heb 6:13-14
13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
This agrees with Gen 17:2
2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. and
Gen 22:17-18
17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
This Blessing comes through/in Christ Jesus Abrahams Seed, and its the Blessing of the Spirit !
God would give Abraham a Spiritual seed, not born by natural birth, but by a Spiritual birth, which is what Isaacs birth typified by his supernatural birth, opposed to what ishmaels birth typified by his birth by the flesh, one after the Spirit and promise, and one after the flesh and human effort Gal 4:29
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
And all True Believers, whether jew or Gentile are born after the typical Isaac, the Child of Promise Gal 4:28
28 Now we, brethren[believers in Christ], as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
And have receive the Spirit of Promise through Jesus Christ Gal 3:14
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith or according to the Faith. 8
brightfame52
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The New Birth foreordained from the beginning !
Another reason why Jesus said to nicodemus " Ye must be born again " as Per Jn 3:6-7
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
For it is by this means man can be confirmed into that Image of Christ, as being confirmed to being originally made or created in the Image of God from the beginning here Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The True Image and Likeness of God lied not in our natural creation in Adam from the dust of the ground, but in our election in Christ, who is the Image and Likeness of God with Heavenly Glory Heb 1:2-3
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
That word image the greek word charaktér:
an impression, representation, exact reproduction; a graving-tool.
properly, an engraving; (figuratively) an exact impression (likeness) which also reflects inner character.
So mans being made at the first in the Image and Likeness of God in Adam, had to be confirmed by being conformed to the Image of Christ , Gods Son Rom 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
The same Son as in Heb 1:2-3
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Now understand, its the Spirits New Creation of us that experimentally conforms us to the Image of Gods Son, the Lord Jesus Christ as Per 2 Cor 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
You see that ? The fulfillment of being made in the Image and Likeness of God from Gen 1:26, lies in a work of the Spirit, its confirmed upon us by the Spirit of the Lord !
This was a preordained Glory 1 Cor 2:7
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
The Father Purposed Our Glory in the Image and Likeness of God, the Son provided the Necessary satisfaction to the Law and Justice of Gods Holy Law we sinned against originally in Adam, and the Spirit, out of the ruins of the Fall makes us again by New Birth and changes us into the Image of Christ, the Lord of Glory !
When it says in Gen 1:26 " Let us make Man in Our Image and Likeness" the Spirit was speaking as well, and He fulfills His Part in making Us New Creatures in Christ, He Himself performs a Creation Act 2 Cor 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Eph 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created[by the Spirit] in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Eph 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created[by the Spirit] in righteousness and true holiness.
Col 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created[by the Spirit] him:
It was written once in the Book of Job ,Job 33:4
The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty has given me life.
John Gill comments on this verse is noteworthy
This also may more than suggest that men in OT times, knew of the Birth of the Spirit !
So, in order for man to live up to what he was in the beginning at Creation according to the Purpose of the Triune God, Made in the Image and Likeness of God, he must be in due time be born of the Spirit !
Another reason why Jesus said to nicodemus " Ye must be born again " as Per Jn 3:6-7
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
For it is by this means man can be confirmed into that Image of Christ, as being confirmed to being originally made or created in the Image of God from the beginning here Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The True Image and Likeness of God lied not in our natural creation in Adam from the dust of the ground, but in our election in Christ, who is the Image and Likeness of God with Heavenly Glory Heb 1:2-3
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
That word image the greek word charaktér:
an impression, representation, exact reproduction; a graving-tool.
properly, an engraving; (figuratively) an exact impression (likeness) which also reflects inner character.
So mans being made at the first in the Image and Likeness of God in Adam, had to be confirmed by being conformed to the Image of Christ , Gods Son Rom 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
The same Son as in Heb 1:2-3
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Now understand, its the Spirits New Creation of us that experimentally conforms us to the Image of Gods Son, the Lord Jesus Christ as Per 2 Cor 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
You see that ? The fulfillment of being made in the Image and Likeness of God from Gen 1:26, lies in a work of the Spirit, its confirmed upon us by the Spirit of the Lord !
This was a preordained Glory 1 Cor 2:7
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
The Father Purposed Our Glory in the Image and Likeness of God, the Son provided the Necessary satisfaction to the Law and Justice of Gods Holy Law we sinned against originally in Adam, and the Spirit, out of the ruins of the Fall makes us again by New Birth and changes us into the Image of Christ, the Lord of Glory !
When it says in Gen 1:26 " Let us make Man in Our Image and Likeness" the Spirit was speaking as well, and He fulfills His Part in making Us New Creatures in Christ, He Himself performs a Creation Act 2 Cor 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Eph 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created[by the Spirit] in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Eph 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created[by the Spirit] in righteousness and true holiness.
Col 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created[by the Spirit] him:
It was written once in the Book of Job ,Job 33:4
The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty has given me life.
John Gill comments on this verse is noteworthy
This also may more than suggest that men in OT times, knew of the Birth of the Spirit !
So, in order for man to live up to what he was in the beginning at Creation according to the Purpose of the Triune God, Made in the Image and Likeness of God, he must be in due time be born of the Spirit !
brightfame52
Well-known member
Spirit given that we may know things freely given us !
1 Cor 2:12
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
This is the same as the Spirit of Adoption Gal 4:5-6
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Its upon receiving the Spirit of God into our hearts are we equipped to know the things that are freely given to us of God as Per 1 Cor 2:12 !
That word know in 1 Cor 2:12 is the greek word eidó and means:
I know, remember, appreciate
properly, to see with physical eyes (cf. Ro 1:11), as it naturally bridges to the metaphorical sense: perceiving ("mentally seeing"). This is akin to the expressions: "I see what You mean"; "I see what you are saying."
("seeing that becomes knowing") then is a gateway to grasp spiritual truth (reality) from a physical plane. 1492 (eídō) then is physical seeing (sight) which should be the constant bridge to mental and spiritual seeing (comprehension).
We are given the Spirit in order to spiritually comprehend or see the things freely given us of God !
The things freely given us, namely by the Grace of God through the Lord Jesus Christ. The words freely given are the words in the original
charizomai and means:
(a) I show favor to, (b) I pardon, forgive, (c) I show kindness.
xarízomai (from 5485 /xáris, "grace, extending favor") – properly, to extend favor ("grace"), freely give favor to grant forgiveness (pardon).
("favor that cancels") is used of God giving His grace to pardon. This is freely done and therefore not based on any merit of the one receiving forgiveness.
Now this favor, forgiveness, we are given by God when He gave up Christ for us to die for us, Rom 8:32
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Paul indicates here, all whom God gave Christ to be delivered up for, along with that, He shall freely give us all things. The words freely give are the same as in 1 Cor 2:12
/xarízomai ("favor that cancels") is used of God giving His grace to pardon. This is freely done and therefore not based on any merit of the one receiving forgiveness.
So when God delivered up Christ for us, it automatically equates to Him giving us freely, the forgiveness of sins, which is also Justification. Remember Paul had written back in Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered[same word deliver in Rom 8:32 for our offences, and was raised again for our justification
He was raised again because of our Justification which means:
The word Justification dikaiósis means:
acquittal, justifying, justification, a process of absolution.
These terms relate to forgiveness and pardon ! And so Rom 4:25 proves Rom 8:32,
And its these things, why we are given the Spirit of God to know of, appreciate, comprehend of ! 8
1 Cor 2:12
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
This is the same as the Spirit of Adoption Gal 4:5-6
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Its upon receiving the Spirit of God into our hearts are we equipped to know the things that are freely given to us of God as Per 1 Cor 2:12 !
That word know in 1 Cor 2:12 is the greek word eidó and means:
I know, remember, appreciate
properly, to see with physical eyes (cf. Ro 1:11), as it naturally bridges to the metaphorical sense: perceiving ("mentally seeing"). This is akin to the expressions: "I see what You mean"; "I see what you are saying."
("seeing that becomes knowing") then is a gateway to grasp spiritual truth (reality) from a physical plane. 1492 (eídō) then is physical seeing (sight) which should be the constant bridge to mental and spiritual seeing (comprehension).
We are given the Spirit in order to spiritually comprehend or see the things freely given us of God !
The things freely given us, namely by the Grace of God through the Lord Jesus Christ. The words freely given are the words in the original
charizomai and means:
(a) I show favor to, (b) I pardon, forgive, (c) I show kindness.
xarízomai (from 5485 /xáris, "grace, extending favor") – properly, to extend favor ("grace"), freely give favor to grant forgiveness (pardon).
("favor that cancels") is used of God giving His grace to pardon. This is freely done and therefore not based on any merit of the one receiving forgiveness.
Now this favor, forgiveness, we are given by God when He gave up Christ for us to die for us, Rom 8:32
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Paul indicates here, all whom God gave Christ to be delivered up for, along with that, He shall freely give us all things. The words freely give are the same as in 1 Cor 2:12
/xarízomai ("favor that cancels") is used of God giving His grace to pardon. This is freely done and therefore not based on any merit of the one receiving forgiveness.
So when God delivered up Christ for us, it automatically equates to Him giving us freely, the forgiveness of sins, which is also Justification. Remember Paul had written back in Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered[same word deliver in Rom 8:32 for our offences, and was raised again for our justification
He was raised again because of our Justification which means:
The word Justification dikaiósis means:
acquittal, justifying, justification, a process of absolution.
These terms relate to forgiveness and pardon ! And so Rom 4:25 proves Rom 8:32,
And its these things, why we are given the Spirit of God to know of, appreciate, comprehend of ! 8
brightfame52
Well-known member
Spirit given that we may know things freely given us ! 2
Now since the Holy Spirit is given so that we may know the things freely given to us of God, such things as Forgiveness of sins, Acquittal, Justification from sin, then it serves to reason that when God sends Gospel Preachers to Preach to us the forgiveness of sins as here Acts 13:38
Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Then those ones have been given the Spirit of God so that they can appreciate, and comprehend that which is being preached to them !
The word Preached here kataggelló means:
I declare openly, proclaim, preach, laud, celebrate.
to announce, declare, promulgate, make known; to proclaim publicly, publish
The Gospel makes known to them the forgiveness of sins ! The Spirit applies the Truth to their hearts to comfort them, that's why He is also called the comforter See Jn 14:16,26;15:26;16:7 and what is the promise to those mourn their sins Matt 5:4
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
So the Preaching of forgiveness of sins is to those who have been given the comforter, which is the Spirit of God !
Now since the Holy Spirit is given so that we may know the things freely given to us of God, such things as Forgiveness of sins, Acquittal, Justification from sin, then it serves to reason that when God sends Gospel Preachers to Preach to us the forgiveness of sins as here Acts 13:38
Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Then those ones have been given the Spirit of God so that they can appreciate, and comprehend that which is being preached to them !
The word Preached here kataggelló means:
I declare openly, proclaim, preach, laud, celebrate.
to announce, declare, promulgate, make known; to proclaim publicly, publish
The Gospel makes known to them the forgiveness of sins ! The Spirit applies the Truth to their hearts to comfort them, that's why He is also called the comforter See Jn 14:16,26;15:26;16:7 and what is the promise to those mourn their sins Matt 5:4
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
So the Preaching of forgiveness of sins is to those who have been given the comforter, which is the Spirit of God !
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