The New birth comes after hearing/believing the gospel

[praise_yeshua]

Once again:

Sins are forgiven based on the death of Christ. Whosoever sins are forgiven He died for, whosoever sins are not forgiven and they die in their sins and in unbelief, He did not die for, you understand now?

You die regardless of whether God has forgiven you for your sin or not. Are you planning to not die?

You're talking in circles. Why?

 

[Cyrus]

Christ resurrection causes the New birth of them He died for 1 Pet 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

He died for everyone. To understand who Christ died for, consider the following points:

• Christ died for all humanity, offering salvation to everyone.
• His sacrifice is seen as a means to atone for the sins of the world.
• The message of His death emphasizes love and grace for all people.
• Many Christians believe it was a fulfillment of God's promise to redeem mankind.
• The concept includes both believers and those who have yet to accept faith.
• His death is viewed as a pivotal event for reconciliation between God and humanity.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The resurrection of Christ is the cause of the New birth for whom Christ died and put away their sin Pet 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Blessed [gratefully praised and adored] be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant and boundless mercy has caused us to be born again [that is, to be reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] to an ever-living hope and confident assurance through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,Amp

Now if one is never born again, Christ did not die for them or raise from the dead for them

I know what your mentors taught you. I see them everywhere in what you do and say. I'd rather talk to them but they're not here.

There is birth without God. He is the cause. He does things because others do what they're should do. God doesn't do things until others do what they're required to do.

 

[brightfame52]

You die regardless of whether God has forgiven you for your sin or not

Not in your sins though, you die forgiven of your sins, that is a great blessing from God

 

[brightfame52]

He died for everyone

Everyone that is born again.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Not in your sins though, you die forgiven of your sins, that is a great blessing from God

You will die because of your sins. I will too.

This idea you have about sin and justification is very poor. It doesn't make any sense at all.

All of have an enemy. An enemy called death. All men face it. The "Great Equalizer". You will still face it yourself even though Christ suffered death.

You need understand why. So stop "talking around it" and broaden your theology.

So why do you still die of Christ died for you?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Everyone that is born again.

That is impossible to establish. The very act of Christ partaking of flesh proves you wrong.

 

[brightfame52]

You will die because of your sins. I will too.

None for whom Christ died will die in their sins in unbelief

 

[brightfame52]

That is impossible to establish. The very act of Christ partaking of flesh proves you wrong.

I showed you 1 Peter 1:3 which established it for me.

 

[civic]

Correction: The "New birth" (becoming a saved Christian) happens as soon as one PLACES FAITH in the gospel. "Belief" (Mental assent) has no substance, and is evidence of nothing substantial (Heb 11:1, Rom 10:17)

It follows faith as I have demonstrated with many passages.

1- hearing the gospel
2- believing the gospel
3- born again, salvation , eternal life.

Number 3 cannot occur until one believes the gospel and becomes saved, a new creation in Christ.

 

[praise_yeshua]

None for whom Christ died will die in their sins in unbelief

Christ died for unbelief?

Then why do you preach faith?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I showed you 1 Peter 1:3 which established it for me.

1 Peter says nothing about death. It speaks of a second birth. I hope you've had two births.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ died for unbelief?

He died for sins, unbelief is a sin duh

 

[Bob Carabbio]

It follows faith as I have demonstrated with many passages.

1- hearing the gospel
2- believing the gospel
3- born again, salvation , eternal life.

Number 3 cannot occur until one believes the gospel and becomes saved, a new creation in Christ.

"BELIEF doesn't do anything, FAITH does (Rom 10:17).

 

[praise_yeshua]

It follows faith as I have demonstrated with many passages.

1- hearing the gospel
2- believing the gospel
3- born again, salvation , eternal life.

Number 3 cannot occur until one believes the gospel and becomes saved, a new creation in Christ.

I would extend #3 (though it is the same order) to necessity more than just mere acknowledgement of acceptance. A person really must see the gospel as being for them. That God will do for them what he said He will do. A trust beyond a distant acknowledgement.

 

[praise_yeshua]

He died for sins, unbelief is a sin duh

I know what you teach. No "duh" needed. I ask questions for a reason.

So why do you preach faith when you say Christ died for your sin of unbelief?

 

[praise_yeshua]

"BELIEF doesn't do anything, FAITH does (Rom 10:17).

There is no faith without belief. Faith is belief in action. It is not the absence of belief. It is the establishment of belief.

 

[TomL]

It wasn't about me (and I have little expectations from you), Bob just deserved an honest response from you (and did not get his POV taken seriously).

Nonsense

One must believe to be saved - given life

Eph 2:8–9

For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Rom 10:9–10

that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Acts 16:31

And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16

The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

That is a logical order and if one does not believe he does not receive that life


Those who do not believe will not see life

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

 

[brightfame52]

I know what you teach. No "duh" needed. I ask questions for a reason.

And I answered it according to a reason

 

[praise_yeshua]

And I answered it according to a reason

No you didn't. Why do you preach faith when Christ died for your unbelief?