brightfame52
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Not according to Jn 6 44,65
The New birth comes after hearing/believing the gospel
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Hosanna
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What are you talking about?
Keep reading they can believe as per
John 6:45 (NASB95) — 45 “It is written in the prophets, ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
Those who believe Moses
John 5:46 (LEB) — 46 For if you had believed Moses, you would believe me, for that one wrote about me.
wouold believe Christ
Those who had God as their father
John 8:42 (LEB) — 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your father, you would love me, for I have come forth from God and have come. For I have not come from myself, but that one sent me.
Would love Christ
Those desiring the will of God
John 7:17 (LEB) — 17 If anyone wants to do his will, he will know about my teaching, whether it is from God or I am speaking from myself.
Will knowChrist was speaking the truth
Those who were God’s
John 17:6 (LEB) — 6 “I have revealed your name to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me, and they have kept your word.
would be given to Christ and will keep his word
and finally
Romans 10:8–10 (NASB95) — 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Men can believe the word of faith being preached
brightfame52
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Sins are forgiven based on the death of Christ
brightfame52
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Only after God's power intervenes all credit goes to God's power
Unbelievers are not forgiven.
brightfame52
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Yes they are by the blood of Christ. Then they believe.
Hosanna
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So the false sins you were talking about in post #300 were a typographical error right?
Sorry no
Acts 3:19 Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
2 Chron 7:14 and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
Mark 1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
Luke 13:3 I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
brightfame52
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I don't know what you're talking about
Bob Carabbio
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Correction: The "New birth" (becoming a saved Christian) happens as soon as one PLACES FAITH in the gospel. "Belief" (Mental assent) has no substance, and is evidence of nothing substantial (Heb 11:1, Rom 10:17)
Logically, after believing, as Civic noted.
Your typographical miscommunication, which likely should have been posted thusly.
False. Sins are forgiven based upon the blood of Christ.
Of course, ignoring the prerequisite of faith.
