The Myth of Pelagianism

[civic]

Dispensationalism is a lie. Attacking your favorite boogeyman won't help.

I will quote @Rockson

" Preterists have asserted a pretty bold claim that all the things of Revelation occurred before or on 70 AD. They MUST therefore have the writing of Revelations to take place before that date. I would tend to think that if that were true God would know it would be crucial to define when Revelation was written. I would expect a statement similar to Luke 2: 1,2 on a different subject

Now in those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that a census should be taken of the whole empire. 2This was the first census to take place while Quirinius was governor of Syria.

If preterims were true I'd expect a statement like that. It would have settled the issue. We don't read of such a qualifier therefore I'd hold that seeing God didn't want to see the time frame closed it leads me to believe in futurism at least with most of the things within Revelation. "

You see as a preterist you must change the dates of many N.T. books and give them pre 70 AD dates when all the real scholars put them between 85- 95 AD.

 

[Presby02]

I will quote @Rockson

" Preterists have asserted a pretty bold claim that all the things of Revelation occurred before or on 70 AD. They MUST therefore have the writing of Revelations to take place before that date. I would tend to think that if that were true God would know it would be crucial to define when Revelation was written. I would expect a statement similar to Luke 2: 1,2 on a different subject

Now in those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that a census should be taken of the whole empire. 2This was the first census to take place while Quirinius was governor of Syria.

If preterims were true I'd expect a statement like that. It would have settled the issue. We don't read of such a qualifier therefore I'd hold that seeing God didn't want to see the time frame closed it leads me to believe in futurism at least with most of the things within Revelation. "

You see as a preterist you must change the dates of many N.T. books and give them pre 70 AD dates when all the real scholars put them between 85- 95 AD.

Wrong. Orthodox Preterism does not teach all things in Revelation has been fulfilled. Missed that over 40 years?

Real scholars believe Revelation was penned in the late 60's

 

[Presby02]

The millennium is biblical And it has not happened yet as there has never been any peace since Jesus 1st Coming and the lion and the lamb have never laid down together. There has never been world wide plagues happening at the same time wiping out 1/2 of mankind that is 3.5 billion people. That is still yet to come and precedes the 1000 years.

I will get the popcorn ready for your eisegesis and spiritualizing most of the Bible instead of reading what God said literally.

hope this helps !!!

All presupposing dispensationalism.

So we should talk the book of Revelation literally?

 

[civic]

All presupposing dispensationalism.

So we should talk the book of Revelation literally?

we are discussing the millennium.

what is it in your theology ?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I never said Reformed Baptist.

I know you didn't. Many Reformed Baptist practice "credobaptism".

What exactly do you know?

 

[praise_yeshua]

No sir. You claimed he was neither Jew nor Gentile. Then what was he? In the Bible there are two categories of men. Jew and Gentile. Your claiming a third. What is it?

You're lost in this. Why don't you get your pastor to help you here? Is he available? He obviously hasn't done a good job in training you. Can you get him to answer for you? Take the challenge.

There are many categories of men. Paul referenced Jew and Gentile. You don't believe what Paul wrote.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Orthodox Preterism. Makes much more sense than dispensationalism in my opinion.

There is no clear definition of Orthodoxy relative to Eschatology. Dispensationalism has long been accepted among the "Reformed". Study Sproul a little more..... You need help.

You'll believe just about anything you hear from another.....

 

[praise_yeshua]

Running from the thread shows defeat

Just because Dispensationalism deals with "ages" doesn't mean that everything relative to "ages of men" is wrong because Dispensationalism is wrong in many places.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

God never changes.... Man certainly has.

When dealing with man, God changed. Hebrews 1:1/2 are absolute proof of such. So is the parable of the Heir. So is almost all prophecy being centered around Christ.

The reality of Christ is so much BETTER than the "shadows" of yesteryear.....

It seems he is always "throwing the baby out with the bathwater".....

 

[Presby02]

There is no clear definition of Orthodoxy relative to Eschatology. Dispensationalism has long been accepted among the "Reformed". Study Sproul a little more..... You need help.

You'll believe just about anything you hear from another.....

Sproul wrote a book called " The Last Days Acvording To Jesus". He was hardly a dispensationalist.

Study some more.

 

[Presby02]

You're lost in this. Why don't you get your pastor to help you here? Is he available? He obviously hasn't done a good job in training you. Can you get him to answer for you? Take the challenge.

There are many categories of men. Paul referenced Jew and Gentile. You don't believe what Paul wrote.

And they are what??? We're listening

 

[Presby02]

I know you didn't. Many Reformed Baptist practice "credobaptism".

What exactly do you know?

All Reformed Baptists are credobaptists. Hence the batist part in their title.

You should think before you post instead of being in attack mode.

 

[Presby02]

we are discussing the millennium.

what is it in your theology ?

Really? Who rought up the millennium until you did?

We are living in the millennium as we speak.

 

[civic]

Sproul wrote a book called " The Last Days Acvording To Jesus". He was hardly a dispensationalist.

Study some more.

So did Mac a Calvinist dispensationalist

 

[praise_yeshua]

All Reformed Baptists are credobaptists. Hence the batist part in their title.

You should think before you post instead of being in attack mode.

No they are not. Some believe "Believer's Baptism" and some do not. It has long been an area of contention among the Reformed.

 

[civic]

Really? Who rought up the millennium until you did?

We are living in the millennium as we speak.

A time of peace

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sproul wrote a book called " The Last Days Acvording To Jesus". He was hardly a dispensationalist.

Study some more.

Geesh......... Mac was friends with Sproul. Sproul long battle those who attacked Mac for dispensationalism.

You just keep showing how little you know.

Where is your pastor?

 

[praise_yeshua]

And they are what??? We're listening

I don't have to list them all. Just rightfully identify there are MORE THAN Jew and Gentile. Which destroys your argument.

 

[civic]

Geesh......... Mac was friends with Sproul. Sproul long battle those who attacked Mac for dispensationalism.

You just keep showing how little you know.

Where is your pastor?

Ignorance is bliss lol

 

[Presby02]

So did Mac a Calvinist dispensationalist

Great.

 

[Presby02]

I don't have to list them all. Just rightfully identify there are MORE THAN Jew and Gentile. Which destroys your argument.

Just take your word for it right? This is why you don't make things up.