Doug Brents
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You are welcome to continue to believe your falsehoods, but nothing could be further from the truth of Scripture than what you have said here.
The Importance of Obedience in Knowing God
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jeremiah1five
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Since you haven't asked me to prove it I won't.
Doug Brents
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You are welcome to share whatever false doctrine you want, and I will show you where in Scripture the correction to your falsehood can be found. Give it your best shot.
dwight92070
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Just like you showed me the correction to my "falsehood"? No thanks, your "corrections" need corrections.
civic
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so there is salvation/ eternal life apart from faith ?
no one needs to believe the gospel to be saved even though the bible says the gospel was preached to Abraham ( Gal 3:8 ) ?
jeremiah1five
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Good news was always preached from the Garden onward. Noah, Abe, Isaac, Jacob, Gideon, David, the prophets all preached to the disobedient the Word of God. In all three Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, New) there is no requirement of faith, but obedience. It was good news to Abraham and his wife they would have a son even though they were beyond childbearing years and Sarah's womb was dead. But when the promised son was born it unlocked all that was to follow for the people of God in covenant. If 'you' were the seed of Abraham 'you' were in covenant and "kept" until Faith (Holy Spirit) should appear. There was no requirement of faith in the Abraham covenant. But faith was still exercised by God's people while enjoying covenant promises. There is good news (gospel) throughout the bible.
I take Scripture as written. The bible says and Saul teaches that dead men have no faith. There is only One Person who was worthy to open the seals and it was His perfect faith by which God honored and by which anyone is saved. All that is required is their name be written in the book of life of the lamb slain. God does everything after that.
Pancho Frijoles
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It is impossible to obey voluntarily if there is no faith involved.
When Moses told the people of Israel, on behalf of God: "If you keep my commandments, you will blessed with X and Y, but if you don't you will be cursed with A and B", the Israelites had to trust Yahweh was speaking the truth through Moses. Otherwise they would not keep His commandments.
Why did Adam and Eve disobey? Because they did not trust God.
So, faith and obedience are intimately connected.
jeremiah1five
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It is impossible to obey at all unless the Holy Spirit is involved in making us willing to obey when obedience is needed.
They fluctuated between both poles. They were blessed when they obeyed and cursed when they disobeyed.
They disobeyed because they were sinners. The woman was tempted, not the man but he disobeyed with eyes wide open.
There could be no faith without knowledge. Both are from God. As is obedience. Actually, everything about salvation is a gift of God.
One of the emotions we need to manage at times is the feeling that we simply don’t want to do something we know we should do. It may be inconvenient or uncomfortable, or we simply may not like it. In other words, we don’t want to sacrifice. But many times, obeying God does require giving up something or doing what we’d rather not do. To follow His will for our lives, we have to come to terms with the fact that it often calls for some type of sacrifice and to be willing to do what He asks of us.
In today’s Scripture passage, Jesus promises to reward those who sacrifice for Him. He says the rewards will come both on earth and in eternal life. Sometimes He asks for radical obedience, and radical obedience pays great dividends. It leads us to the personal joy and peace we experience when we know we are walking in God’s will and to the other rewards He has promised. God is always aware of what we sacrifice, and He knows how to bless us in ways that make us glad we have obeyed Him.
Obeying God always brings a reward. It may not be exactly what we think it should be, but it is always what is best for us. It may not come when we think it should, but it will come right on time. I have found that God is a great rewarder. When we sacrifice in order to obey Him, He blesses us in amazing ways.
In today’s Scripture passage, Jesus promises to reward those who sacrifice for Him. He says the rewards will come both on earth and in eternal life. Sometimes He asks for radical obedience, and radical obedience pays great dividends. It leads us to the personal joy and peace we experience when we know we are walking in God’s will and to the other rewards He has promised. God is always aware of what we sacrifice, and He knows how to bless us in ways that make us glad we have obeyed Him.
Obeying God always brings a reward. It may not be exactly what we think it should be, but it is always what is best for us. It may not come when we think it should, but it will come right on time. I have found that God is a great rewarder. When we sacrifice in order to obey Him, He blesses us in amazing ways.
I heard this at church this weekend.
That sometimes we discover that a major reason for our suffering has been what God intended to do in someone else’s life. That may not be obvious to us. But Paul says that his sufferings were for the glory of others.
He tells the Ephesians that they are not to lose heart because of his sufferings and imprisonment. Why? Because he believed that God had an evangelistic purpose in them. We know from his letter to the Philippians, written around the same time, what the purpose was.
But I want you to know, brethren, that the things which happened to me have actually turned out for the furtherance of the gospel, so that it has become evident to the whole palace guard, and to all the rest, that my chains are in Christ; and most of the brethren in the Lord, having become confident by my chains, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. Philippians 1:12–14
That sometimes we discover that a major reason for our suffering has been what God intended to do in someone else’s life. That may not be obvious to us. But Paul says that his sufferings were for the glory of others.
He tells the Ephesians that they are not to lose heart because of his sufferings and imprisonment. Why? Because he believed that God had an evangelistic purpose in them. We know from his letter to the Philippians, written around the same time, what the purpose was.
But I want you to know, brethren, that the things which happened to me have actually turned out for the furtherance of the gospel, so that it has become evident to the whole palace guard, and to all the rest, that my chains are in Christ; and most of the brethren in the Lord, having become confident by my chains, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. Philippians 1:12–14
