The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[praise_yeshua]

Yes He did and how did He do that? By walking around as a God person or by limiting Himself to walking as a human person?

He has never ceased to be God. Never. It is why we are dealing with the very subject of the sin nature.

At one moment, you want to see Him as an acceptable sacrifice and the next you deny the very thing that made Him acceptable to God to redeem man.

If a mere man could die for another to redeem them.... then Christ has died in vain.......

Do you not understand why God accepted animal sacrifices? It was because man could NOT claim redemption in himself. It took the victim of man's actions to even provide a covering for sin.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I've answered that question. He said Himself He did and said nothing on His own authority as God.

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.

More arguments used by those who deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

 

[sawdust]

You avoided the questions. I wonder why.....

I did not avoid the questions I told you I see the Father in everything Jesus did that includes the Transfiguration, the miracles, the teaching. What part of EVERYTHING do you not understand?

You want Christ's power? I'd be terrified if God offered me that level of power. I know what I am.

It's your inability to comprehend what I said, is what you are missing.

 

[sawdust]

If a mere man could die for another to redeem them.... then Christ has died in vain......

Christ is not a "mere man". He is a wholly righteous man without spot or blemish, that is why he could die in our place.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Christ is not a "mere man". He is a wholly righteous man without spot or blemish, that is why he could die in our place.

So any sinless man could die for another man to Atone for mankind's sin?

 

[sawdust]

More arguments used by those who deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

And yet another lie. I have never denied Jesus is God, has always been God and always will be God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I did not avoid the questions I told you I see the Father in everything Jesus did that includes the Transfiguration, the miracles, the teaching. What part of EVERYTHING do you not understand?

You want Christ's power? I'd be terrified if God offered me that level of power. I know what I am.

It's your inability to comprehend what I said, is what you are missing.

I'll post them again. You did not answer.

1. Please clarify this time, do you see the Father when Christ was transfigured before the disciples?

2. Did the Father empower any other man in such a manner as Christ?

 

[GeneZ]

Did Jesus ever function as God in His 33 years on this earth or only as a man ?

Nope... Matthew 4:3-4 shows how he refused to take back up his powers to be God.

The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from ​

the mouth of God.’”​

Jesus refused to resume his ability to be as God!

Keep in mind....
In your way of thinking?
Moses at the parting of the Red Sea? Was being God.
For only God has such power!

Jesus was functioning as a spiritual man of the likes of how Moses walked...
Moses was not God.

Yet if Moses were corrupt?
He could have had many dumb believers believing he was God by virtue of the miracles and signs he performed.

Until your last breath? There is still hope.

 

[sawdust]

So any sinless man could die for another man to Atone for mankind's sin?

Yes they could but God ensured there would be no other by having Adam pass on the corruption in our body (sin nature) that would see us all born cut off from God and made to be sinners even before we could commit any personal sin of our own.

 

[praise_yeshua]

And yet another lie. I have never denied Jesus is God, has always been God and always will be God.

The arguments you are making are used by men to deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ. You're stating that Jesus only reflected the Father in the Incarnation. That Christ, Himself, didn't do anything from His own Person. That is what you're saying.

This is not an Orthodox teaching of the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

 

[sawdust]

I'll post them again. You did not answer.

1. Please clarify this time, do you see the Father when Christ was transfigured before the disciples?

2. Did the Father empower any other man in such a manner as Christ?

You can't see the answers to your questions in my last two posts? Go get your eyes tested.

 

[sawdust]

The arguments you are making are used by men to deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ. You're stating that Jesus only reflected the Father in the Incarnation. That Christ, Himself, didn't do anything from His own Person. That is what you're saying.

This is not an Orthodox teaching of the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

That is what Jesus said, I'm simply repeating it.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes they could but God ensured there would be no other by having Adam pass on the corruption in our body (sin nature) that would see us all born cut off from God and made to be sinners even before we could commit any personal sin of our own.

See.......@civic @synergy

Just any sinless man could have died......

So... if Adam hadn't of sin but one of his offspring sin.... then Adam could have died for his offspring?

Do you see how your theology is man centered? You have meer men dying for man. Not God.... dying for man.

 

[GeneZ]

And yet another lie. I have never denied Jesus is God, has always been God and always will be God.

Always God. But He refused to be as God in His Function!

While waiting to get to the Cross?
He remained functioning as a man only in power.

Who, eternally existing in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God
as something to be used for His own advantage.
Instead He emptied Himself
by assuming the form of a slave,
taking on the likeness of men.
And when He had come as a man
in His external form,
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient
to the point of death—
even to death on a cross.

Philippians 2:6-8

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You can lead a horse to water and some will continue to think you wish to drown them!


grace and peace! ..............

 

[praise_yeshua]

You can't see the answers to your questions in my last two posts? Go get your eyes tested.

1. Be clear. I want you say that the Father was what the disciples saw when Jesus was transfigured before His disciples. Not the Person of Christ.

Be clear. Don't just try to imply that you've answered it.

2. Did the Father empower the disciples to do exactly what Jesus did?

 

[sawdust]

The arguments you are making are used by men to deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ. You're stating that Jesus only reflected the Father in the Incarnation. That Christ, Himself, didn't do anything from His own Person. That is what you're saying.

This is not an Orthodox teaching of the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

That is what you are seeing, it is not what I am saying.

Go get a hearing test along with the eye test.

 

[sawdust]

You can lead a horse to water and some will continue to think you wish to drown them!

I worked with horses when I was young. I can relate to what you said here.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Joh 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”

Notice the distinct Person of Jesus Christ "of my own accord"......

 

[GeneZ]

I did not avoid the questions I told you I see the Father in everything Jesus did that includes the Transfiguration, the miracles, the teaching. What part of EVERYTHING do you not understand?

You want Christ's power? I'd be terrified if God offered me that level of power. I know what I am.

It's your inability to comprehend what I said, is what you are missing.

If God offered you His power and you took it?
Praise Yeshua would cease to exist...

We can not be trusted with such power.

The only Soul God trusts with such power.. To be as God. Is Jesus Christ!

 

[praise_yeshua]

That is what you are seeing, it is not what I am saying.

Go get a hearing test along with the eye test.

What did Christ do of His own Person?